Abortions.

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

Well if you look at it that way, then women who don't want children should be able to be offended by those who cannot have children. That just seems silly doesn't it?

It seemed to me like she was comparing pain. So she can't reproduce..well some people don't want to and it's just as painful. How could it bother you that someone else is hurting?

Silly it is.

ones an option, one someone can't control

and abortion isn't 100%, i once read an article about a girl (she didn't have one of her arms) her mother tried to abort her, it didn't work out. so now she has to live with knowing that her mother tried to kill her before she was born.

wow. you can't justify that

Honestly, it's not her mom's fault her abortion failed, I really don't see why that's such a big deal. I feel bad for the girl, but it makes little difference to the justification of abortion, especially if it was a backdoor abortion.

And what does my sympathy matter to you INO? She made a point and I really didn't care about her tragedy if she had to suggest that it made other people's pain offensive, because that's really being just as rude as I was being. Me being rude shouldn';t be a fit of argument anyway

AngryMailPerson:

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ones an option, one someone can't control

and abortion isn't 100%, i once read an article about a girl (she didn't have one of her arms) her mother tried to abort her, it didn't work out. so now she has to live with knowing that her mother tried to kill her before she was born.

wow. you can't justify that

But do you know what kind of an abortion it was?

If it was a "backyard abortion" whereby it is performed by the woman herself, then she has only herself to blame, and it was extremely irresponsible of her to do that.

But if it was a medical abortion that went wrong, then I would surely hope that the doctor who performed it was dealt with accordingly.

No one should have to go through that experience.

Having said that though, an experience like ^^ that is, thankfully, uncommon.

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

XD There really isn't any way to test that unless you can make simulated children put into the place where the fetuses were supposed to be..I think you might be a little off there.

ugh what i meant was that women who abuse their children are extremely mentally unstable (which is also proven is NOT because of the kids) NOT because they hate their kids, very little does this happen. if you want to fight that go ahead and do it, i wont read it.

plushtoy:

In no way was I saying that it prevented child abuse. The reason I stated ^^ that was because there were some people who assumed a woman who follows through with her pregnancy after being discouraged to have an abortion will then automatically become maternal and care for her child, which is not always the case. I know it doesn't prevent child abuse Rolling Eyes

1.) yes you did say "and what if a women has a child and it grows up abused?". you know thinking of me, and many other kids in the world, they would be happy at least to be ALIVE, and would want to leave their crappy past behind.

2.) scientifically proven that 97.2 % percent of women will have a connection and bond with their child the second the hold it in their arms for the first time. and women also grow even more attached to their children as time goes by, so don't say that doesn't happen cause it does.

DIE!DIE!DIE!:

And what does my sympathy matter to you INO? She made a point and I really didn't care about her tragedy if she had to suggest that it made other people's pain offensive, because that's really being just as rude as I was being. Me being rude shouldn';t be a fit of argument anyway

she wasnt asking for your sympathy (and i guarantee you that 'made other people's pain offensive' wasnt her plan, and she trying to be rude weither you think it or not) she was using on of her own experiences to be used in this argument, and what you did was basically laughing in her face saying 'awww poor you! you cant have a kid(insert evil laughter)'. if we were in real life i swear to God Himself you'd better make sure you weren't wearing heels and there were plenty people around, cause i cant even IMAGINE what I'd do.

I
don't believe
that humans should have the right
to decide who gets to live and who gets to die
before they're born
you ever heard of 'the line man was not meant to cross',
to me abortion is one of those line, and its been crossed
and i hate it. i don't care what anyone says
i don't like the idea of abortion.
don't agree with me? oh so sad, I'm not changing.

^Clear

Girl next door:

plushtoy:

In no way was I saying that it prevented child abuse. The reason I stated ^^ that was because there were some people who assumed a woman who follows through with her pregnancy after being discouraged to have an abortion will then automatically become maternal and care for her child, which is not always the case. I know it doesn't prevent child abuse Rolling Eyes

1.) yes you did say "and what if a women has a child and it grows up abused?". you know thinking of me, and many other kids in the world, they would be happy at least to be ALIVE, and would want to leave their crappy past behind.

2.) scientifically proven that 97.2 % percent of women will have a connection and bond with their child the second the hold it in their arms for the first time. and women also grow even more attached to their children as time goes by, so don't say that doesn't happen cause it does.

Of course it happens. Of course there are women who care and are maternal towards their children.
But! THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
I have friends who are prime examples of this.

And no I wasn't saying that abortion prevents child abuse. What I was saying was, if a woman knows that she, or her partner, are not able to care for the child or do not want the child, and they have an abortion, then they are actually doing the child a favour.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T PREVENT CHILD ABUSE.

Girl next door:

I
don't believe
that humans should have the right
to decide who gets to live and who gets to die
before they're born
you ever heard of 'the line man was not meant to cross',
to me abortion is one of those line, and its been crossed
and i hate it. i don't care what anyone says
i don't like the idea of abortion.
don't agree with me? oh so sad, I'm not changing.

You don't understand how humans can have the right to choose the option of abortion? So, in essence, you're saying that women shouldn't have a right over their own body? That's just nuts.

If something is growing inside of me, and I don't want it, I don't have to have it. Why? Because it's my body. And I am in control of my body, nobody else is.

And I don't care that you're not going to change your point of view.
It's just sad seeing how other people cannot open their mind on this issue.

Teresa:

I'm kind of lean to Pro-Choice now.

I mean, I have no right to say you or any other woman in the world can or cannot have their child while it is in her womb.

I totally agree with that. It is the woman's body and it is the ultimate invasion of privacy to tell her what she can and cannot do with it.

PlushToy:

NotOkay22:

Ahem...hello. Sorry to butt into your conversation, but I have something to say.

Compare the two. Aborting an embryo or giving up a child to adoption or even raising a child. Compare them. Abortion is SOOOOO much easier then both of those other choices, so yes, abortion would be the easy way out.

It may seem like abortion is the "easy" way out at first, but psychologically it's not. When I said it's not the easy way out, I meant that a lot of thought has to go into a decision like that.

And you have completely disregarded most of what I had said.
Not every woman that becomes pregnant is willing or able to carry a child to full term.

Saying that all women who don't want to keep their child should stick it out the full 9 months is ridiculous. Not all women can, and not all want to. And not all want to have their child turn around 20 years later to come and find them. Adoption is not an ideal in many cases.

NotOkay22:

Your right, almost all medical procedures are not natural, but abortion is the only one that kills a semi-human life. Kills a beating heart, and a developing brain. When you get surgery your doing nothing but helping yourself. Abortion may "help" you, but it has to kill an embryo to do so.

And there is nothing wrong with "helping yourself". I don't think there is, anyway.

You said it yourself: "semi-human". Last time I checked, actual humans' lives are of more value than than "semi" ones.

Abortion is the "easy way out" compared to the other options. It is huge emotionally, but raising a child or giving up one for adoption would take a much bigger toll on you then an abortion would.

I know that not everyone can carry a baby full term, which is again why I would not force anyone to do anything based on my opinion. All I can do with my opinion is let it dictate my life, stand up for it, and tell it. I cant force any girl to not get an abortion, and I never will. I just wont support it.

Again, there comes the difference of opinion. I find that kind of "helping yourself" wrong.

Girl next door:

I
don't believe
that humans should have the right
to decide who gets to live and who gets to die
before they're born
you ever heard of 'the line man was not meant to cross',
to me abortion is one of those line, and its been crossed
and i hate it. i don't care what anyone says
i don't like the idea of abortion.
don't agree with me? oh so sad, I'm not changing.

I agree completely. I don't think man should have that power at all. I don't think in any way that's its our place to decide between life in death of someone who isn't even us!

^totally with you on that one... i don't like the fact that humans are allowed to play God just cause it would be more convenient for them... it's just not right...

genresR4losers:

^totally with you on that one... i don't like the fact that humans are allowed to play God just cause it would be more convenient for them... it's just not right...

Absolutely. In the words of Doctor Malcolm (Jurassic Park): "You were too pre-occupied with if you could, that you forgot to go back and check if you should."

I don't think it is anywhere near our place to decide life or death of anyone else. An embryo is growing in the women's body, but it is not the women herself, and for that I don't think she has the right to decide if it lives or dies.

ok, i havent the time to read all the replies, so im sorry if im repeating etc.

im pro-choice. however , i dont agree with a minority of women who use abortion as a form of contraception, so to speak.

i truley believe that 90% of women who have abortions have a good reason to do so. be it they're not ready for children, they cant cope with pregnancy, its been medically advised etc etc

i cant imagine that its an easy thing to go through, no matter how badly the baby isnt wanted. it must affect an awful lot of them mentally too.

AngryMailPerson:

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

Well if you look at it that way, then women who don't want children should be able to be offended by those who cannot have children. That just seems silly doesn't it?

It seemed to me like she was comparing pain. So she can't reproduce..well some people don't want to and it's just as painful. How could it bother you that someone else is hurting?

Silly it is.

ones an option, one someone can't control

and abortion isn't 100%, i once read an article about a girl (she didn't have one of her arms) her mother tried to abort her, it didn't work out. so now she has to live with knowing that her mother tried to kill her before she was born.

wow. you can't justify that

Well..as you can imagine not having one arm would make things very difficult for the baby and the mother. Perhaps the mother just didn't want her baby to suffer throughout its life.

CemeteryDrive123:

AngryMailPerson:

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

Well if you look at it that way, then women who don't want children should be able to be offended by those who cannot have children. That just seems silly doesn't it?

It seemed to me like she was comparing pain. So she can't reproduce..well some people don't want to and it's just as painful. How could it bother you that someone else is hurting?

Silly it is.

ones an option, one someone can't control

and abortion isn't 100%, i once read an article about a girl (she didn't have one of her arms) her mother tried to abort her, it didn't work out. so now she has to live with knowing that her mother tried to kill her before she was born.

wow. you can't justify that

Well..as you can imagine not having one arm would make things very difficult for the baby and the mother. Perhaps the mother just didn't want her baby to suffer throughout its life.

no, the girls arm was missing because the abortion went awry, and thats what happened

i think it's wrong... i don't understand how people can justify murdering another human being... but then again... that's just me...

^Because, they do not consider a embryo to be a human being.
Obviously, if not considered a human, by these people, the very same people could not call it murder.

true... i guess it's all just a matter of how you look at it...

to me... it's murder. it's always been murder, and it will always be murder...

for someone else, it may not be... but it's still murder to me...