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December 1st, 2007 at 07:07pm
Personally I would never be able to get a termination. I don't think I would be able to live with myself.

However I know that some women and girls are in terrible situations, like maybe they became pregnant after being raped and I think in that case it is an entirely different thing but if a woman becomes pregnant after having consentual, unsafe sex it is unfair to in a sense, punish the helpless baby for the mothers mistake.

I know it can't be an easy decision for anybody to make but I think abortion is often looked at as the easy way out of a difficult situation. I think some women need to realize and understand the seriousness of what a termination entails.

I also really think that the abortion rate needs to be lowered dramatically. At the moment I think it is around 24 weeks and I myself was born at 29 with hardly any complications. There are so many babies that are born at or before 24 weeks and survive. I personally think it should be lowered to around 12 weeks. I still am not sure I would agree with it but I think it is much more humane and would cause less distress.
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December 1st, 2007 at 11:48pm
Yesterday my class had a substitute for History, and this guy was very outspoken, and he decided that since we were "honors" we would be mature enough to be in a discussion about whether they should make abortions illegal. About 80% of the class raised their hands. Myself, him, and about five others didnt.

I, myself am very against people ever getting abortion. I've read about it, and its just...sad. But, the teacher made a very good point. Its none of the governments business what people do with their lives and its not like those old guys who make the laws know what the woman will go through in those nine months. He also pointed out that whole rape situation, but what really made me think was when he talked about the babies that were unplanned.

Those who were against abortion completely and thought it should be illegal said that they should give the for adoption if they didnt want it, but not to kill it. But, there are millions of children that are waiting to be adopted just in the US. What would all of those children be thinking about when theyre there? Who their parents were and why they didnt want them. And if they kept the baby, and i was unplanned, the baby would have to sufer and most likely have a dreadful life.

People make mistakes. Im prochoice for abortions. Its not your body. Its not your baby.
telenovela
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December 2nd, 2007 at 05:54pm
I'm split on this.

I do think it should be a woman's choice but at the same time I'm against it.

For it: If the child has been conceived as a result of a rape and it would be too difficult to raise the child, I can understand it.

Even if it has severe disabilities that could prevent the child living for very long, I understand.

Against it:There are SO many couples out there desperate for a child and can't conceive. By aborting an unwanted child, it's in a way denying those who want to care and love a child the right.
doctor.
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December 2nd, 2007 at 07:47pm

Personally, I don't think I could ever live with myself after having abortion as I think the thought of me killing my child would haunt me, this said, I don't condemn others who have it done.

I know that some people are in situations where the person simply can't cope with the baby- be that finiacial issues, physically, mentally or in the case of rape.
In my eyes, those are 'fair' reasons to have an abortion. However, abortions for reasons such as reputation vaules, I believe are wrong since, if you were so worried about your reputation being ruined by a child, you wouldn't have had sex in the first place.

I dislike the idea of aborting a child based on handicapp too, however, I believe it depends on how handicapped the child is. If you are aware that it will lead a life of great suffering whilst being alive, it may be more fair for you to abort the child. In the case of a handicapp like Down Syndrome, I don't think it would be appropriate since the child can live almost normally.

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December 2nd, 2007 at 10:13pm
Adoption centers are overcrowded, your not denying ANYONE a child. There are more then enough babies to go around, and many more children then parents wanting to adopt.

As per disabilities, honestly, if you lived with someone WITH one, I think you would realize that many times, those children would have been better off never born. All of the medical procedures they have to go through, the inability to funtion on their own...many disabled children (depending on how disabled) are living in a dream world so to speak, TOTALLY cut from reality. I love my brother, but I often think if I were in his shoes, I would have rather just never been born. Some people might see this as cruel, but im willing to bet that most of you have no idea what it's like living in a family with a child of a severe disability, or any disabled children themselves. What my brother is doing isn't really living at all, but the image of life. It's like keeping a 25 year coma paitent alive..but with no hope of getting better.
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December 2nd, 2007 at 10:26pm

^^I hear what you are saying about disabilities BUT my aunt was told her baby was going to be seriously handicapped and she should have the child aborted. She decided against the abortion and, after having the baby, she realised she was not handicapped in any way. There had been an error with the scan. I wonder how many people this happens too... I understand though, this is very unlikely.

As I said before, severly disabled is a very different case from slight and I understand that people are more likely to have abortions for severly disabled children rather than slight.
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December 3rd, 2007 at 11:03pm
the fact that a child is supposedly going to be mentally handicapped has no bearing on this matter whatsoever. just because they aren't as capable of doing something as someone else, does that make them less of a person?

aside from that, what kind of a society are we encouraging by making such elitist statements? sorry, but to me that sounds a lil like the same sentiments that were behind the holocaust. just because someone is different, doesn't make them any less of a person.

other than that, it's not up to any one person to end the life of another person... if a baby is one mimute old, it's considered murder. however, this child would have been capable of survivng out of the womb before it is born, and yet it isn't considered murder, how is this possible? is the child any less of a person because of where it happened to be located? am i less of a person if i'm in a house as opposed to in the outdoors? no. so why should this be any different?

other than that, the arguments of heart and brain function are brought into play. to that i say this: there are some people at this very moment that are on life support and have been for years. yet they are being kept alive for an indeterminite amount of time and taking up room in hospitals that are needed for other people. so... on that same note, how is it possible that a child isn't allowed to fully develop in the womb of the mother for a mere 9 months (as opposed to an undetermined period of time) and allowed to live? does the age of the person make a difference to the value of their life? i don't think it does... idk... something just isn't right about that. but then again... that's just my opinion...
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December 4th, 2007 at 01:29pm
^ we wern't saying that diabled people are less of a person, rather that, if a person is going to be so severly handicapped, that even with care, they could never do anything, it might be better to end the suffering before it begins.
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December 5th, 2007 at 05:33pm
OKinNJ:
honestly no one can judge unless they are in that situation. but i am split on it.
agreed
abortions are not all bad but in other times yes they can be
but as said it cant be judged the mother of the child
should be able to choose. its HER baby not anyone elses (meaning shes
going to be the one who will give birth)

ashexmassacre
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December 19th, 2007 at 08:38pm
I am 150% pro-life. Abortion is murder, no matter if they're born or not;
There are exceptions I think, such as rape or something;
But if you decided to have sex, you knew that there was a chance that you could have gotten pregnant, so you should've been careful.
But that's just my opinion.
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December 19th, 2007 at 10:22pm
AngryMailPerson:
In September 1993, Brenda Pratt Shafer, a registered nurse with thirteen years of experience, was assigned by her nursing agency to an abortion clinic. Since Nurse Shafer considered herself "very pro-choice," she didn't think this assignment would be a problem. She was wrong. This is what Nurse Shafer saw:



"I stood at the doctor's side and watched him perform a partial-birth abortion on a woman who was six months pregnant. The baby's heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen. The doctor delivered the baby's body and arms, everything but his little head. The baby's body was moving. His little fingers were clasping together. He was kicking his feet. The doctor took a pair of scissors and inserted them into the back of the baby's head, and the baby's arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall. Then the doctor opened the scissors up. Then he stuck the high-powered suction tube into the hole and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I never went back to the clinic. But I am still haunted by the face of that little boy. It was the most perfect, angelic face I have ever seen."


But what about if the baby had been aborted at a younger age.. say 6 weeks? When the baby is this young, doctors use the Saline Method, where they inject a salty saline solution into the mother's womb. You would think it would just poison the baby, but it actually burns it to death. Even though the baby is so young, on ultrasounds of the abortion, the fetus is seen pulling away from the poison as it is injected.. obviously wanting to stay alive.(The baby is intelligent enough to move away from the pain..but the child can't escape it)

source?

Hooley
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December 20th, 2007 at 07:48am
AngryMailPerson:
In September 1993, Brenda Pratt Shafer, a registered nurse with thirteen years of experience, was assigned by her nursing agency to an abortion clinic. Since Nurse Shafer considered herself "very pro-choice," she didn't think this assignment would be a problem. She was wrong. This is what Nurse Shafer saw:



"I stood at the doctor's side and watched him perform a partial-birth abortion on a woman who was six months pregnant. The baby's heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen. The doctor delivered the baby's body and arms, everything but his little head. The baby's body was moving. His little fingers were clasping together. He was kicking his feet. The doctor took a pair of scissors and inserted them into the back of the baby's head, and the baby's arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall. Then the doctor opened the scissors up. Then he stuck the high-powered suction tube into the hole and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I never went back to the clinic. But I am still haunted by the face of that little boy. It was the most perfect, angelic face I have ever seen."


But what about if the baby had been aborted at a younger age.. say 6 weeks? When the baby is this young, doctors use the Saline Method, where they inject a salty saline solution into the mother's womb. You would think it would just poison the baby, but it actually burns it to death. Even though the baby is so young, on ultrasounds of the abortion, the fetus is seen pulling away from the poison as it is injected.. obviously wanting to stay alive.(The baby is intelligent enough to move away from the pain..but the child can't escape it)


That seems like one of those stories that pro-life extremists send out to scare people into changing their opinion. Abortions arent carried out like that.
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December 24th, 2007 at 11:11am
I think that its the persons choice if they have a good reason.
Ex. They were raped, to young, not enough money to pay for a baby.
but you cant really make a decision, its one persons dissenion not any body else's
Diana_a7x
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December 24th, 2007 at 06:00pm
Another Broken Heart:
I think that its the persons choice if they have a good reason.
Ex. They were raped, to young, not enough money to pay for a baby.
but you cant really make a decision, its one persons dissenion not any body else's

For the Rape part, I'm still against abortion, You are killing a human being. But you're right, it is up to the person
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December 25th, 2007 at 10:04am
I think abortion is good because in this world its getting really over populated and in this state i live in, people get money for having children so the poorer people are having children just for the "Baby Bonus" and neglecting the child. so Women get raped as well just for this money then the child is either stomped to death or just left.

If i was raped i would have an abortion because i know i couldnt raise a child at my age.
I'd rather a child be brought up because its wanted, some children are born and are not wanted, my dad works at a juvinile detention centre and he said unfortunately half the kids in there has "Parents Unknown" and things and its really sad.

People should have children and get pregnant because the WANT a child not for anyother reason and they have to be able to SUPPORT the child.

People who get raped or dont want a child should have abortions cause the child doesnt deserve anything less than like a happy upbringing.
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December 25th, 2007 at 10:41am
Cells are the basic unit of life. Every LIVING organism has one or more cells.
So a baby, a fetus, a 'sack of cells' all have cells. Which, would make them a LIVING organism. So killing it would be murder.

Basically all I'm saying is that my opinion hasn't changed in the slightest. I'm against it, but I do believe that there are those situations, where the mother should have the choice of getting one, or not getting one.
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December 25th, 2007 at 10:50am
agreed^
and that story made me cry a little.
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December 25th, 2007 at 03:16pm
xXLiesXx:
Cells are the basic unit of life. Every LIVING organism has one or more cells.
So a baby, a fetus, a 'sack of cells' all have cells. Which, would make them a LIVING organism. So killing it would be murder.

Basically all I'm saying is that my opinion hasn't changed in the slightest. I'm against it, but I do believe that there are those situations, where the mother should have the choice of getting one, or not getting one.

Agreed.
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December 25th, 2007 at 05:22pm
tbh i'm for it because at the end of the day its the other decision if she feels she cannot handle a baby or give it a good life and she feels it would be better to terminate the pregnancy then she has the right to

and tbh the baby may be alive
but in gthe eraly stages it is not conscious and is not aware of the situation
so in my mind its completely moral
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December 25th, 2007 at 07:27pm
dark.sian:
tbh i'm for it because at the end of the day its the other decision if she feels she cannot handle a baby or give it a good life and she feels it would be better to terminate the pregnancy then she has the right to

and tbh the baby may be alive
but in gthe eraly stages it is not conscious and is not aware of the situation
so in my mind its completely moral

Well the mother could always give it up for adoption