Abortions.

If people hate having abortion so much, how about you just choose not to have one?! Really, you can go on living your life, and somebody who needs on can have one, and go on living theirs.
You are not needed for mandatory 'moral' guidance.
You never know what would come from an aborted fetus had it not been aborted. It's an awful argument to say that they might have been the next *insertnamehere*, because it could have been the person who strapped a bomb to their back or the person who joined the peace corps. Life goes on with abortions. . . Other people are born.

TheSharpestLives:

In any other way, abortion is horrible.
Basicly, it is murder.

Abortion is horrible. Nobody wants to have, to have an abortion.

Also, you can't only let people who are raped have abortions. You cannot prove that you were raped. You also can't prove that your condom broke, or that you were being responsible, but you ended up getting pregnant. Either everybody can have an abortion, or they don't have it at all- and that is not fair.

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TheSharpestLives:

In any other way, abortion is horrible.
Basicly, it is murder.

Abortion is horrible. Nobody wants to have, to have an abortion.

Also, you can't only let people who are raped have abortions. You cannot prove that you were raped. You also can't prove that your condom broke, or that you were being responsible, but you ended up getting pregnant. Either everybody can have an abortion, or they don't have it at all- and that is not fair.

Good point, you can't just say "oh you were raped, you can have an abortion. No you weren't raped. It's you own stupid fault you are pregnat, deal with it."
You either give everyone the right to chose whether they want an abortion, or not give anyone an abortion.

Disarm; Nicole:

I'm 50/50 on this one. If you haven't been raped, you shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion. It's entirely your fault that you're pregnant and people need to learn to accept the consequences of their actions. It's a waste of doctors time, not to mention a horrible process. Abortions should only be performed if necessary, like if there is a danger to the mother during pregnancy or if she was raped.

I agree with this too; though I do wonder if the parent's found out the child they are carrying has Downsydrome it is there choice to whether they feel they can fully take care of that child for however long they can.
I'm on the fence for this one.

There are things much worse than death. I agree with Mr. Clinton on this one. "Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."

i am totally for the option of abortion.
i know that if my form of contraception failed i would deffinatly not be able to go through with a pregnancy and would have to opt for an abortion.
come people are just not ready to become parents if they accidently get pregnant.
having an abortion can prevent alot of unessesary heart ache and pain.
however it can also cause alot as some do regret their dicision.
and people seem to think it is just ignorant teenagers that have abortions.
there are alot of grown, seemingly responsible women who have to terminate pregnancys because they are just not in the possition to be able to have a care for a child.
i see abortion as a way for one persons life to be rescued from ruin, rather than creating two disasterous lives.
and as for the whole argument of murder, the thing that is being got rid of is just a clump of cells growing abnormally fast and with some sort of direction. it is by no means a living breathing human. it is nothing of the kind. it is your cell splitting and dividing. so you should have the right whether to let your cell keep this up or not.

Fezzik:

^No one is going around having unprotected sex and then saying "Oh, rats, I'm probably pregnant. Oh well, I'll just have an abortion." It's a serious decision and not taken lightly. And birth control isn't fail-safe. If someone protects themself, is responsible, and ends up pregnant anyway, why should they have to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, go through the agony of birth, and give a way a child for adoption, or worse, go through all that and then have to sacrifice their future to raise an unwanted child?

And abortion is not murder. It's not killing a baby. It's terminating a clump of cells with no brain function or feelings. The embryo doesn't know the difference, but it makes all the difference in the world for the mother. Why should the rights of an unconscious lump of biomass have precedent over those of a fully-developed woman?

I totally agree with you. And I'm pregnant, so according to a lot of people, I should be completely against abortion, right?
Nope. I've always been pro-choice, and believe women (or girls) should have the choice of aborting a fetus for whatever reason, whether it be rape, failed contraception, their own opinion on their parenting ability, or if the fetus is defective.
I'm one of the lucky young women who chose to become pregnant, in a stable, loving relationship with the full support of my husband, if not my family (who have since gotten more than used to the idea and are very excited about becoming grandparents for the first time). I feel for the huge amount of women out there who have become pregnant and gone through with their pregnancies for whatever reason, only to have the child pay the price (eg being brought up in an environment where they know they're not wanted, or abused for it, etc).
My husband and I discussed our options when we became pregnant - of course we intended to follow through and have this child, we had planned it before I even fell pregnant, but we agreed that if tests showed the baby would be disabled or deformed in some way, we'd terminate the pregnancy and try again later. I just feel that a baby deserves to be raised in a household with loving parents and family who are able to support it and care for it, and I know within myself that I could never parent a child with a disability - I know that raising a healthy baby is going to be difficult enough, let alone having an unhealthy one that needs far more care.
I definitely agree that the first few months of a pregnancy, the baby isn't anything but a clump of cells that are splitting and growing - it's nothing to me. Not a life. Not a child. Just cells. I even felt that way at the beginning of my pregnancy, excited as I was about growing a new life - until I had my first ultrasound and saw its little arms and legs, it was just an embryo (and even at that point - 9 weeks - it was still an embryo. But it was my little embryo, and I was glad) that, although it meant something to me, I can understand how women who aren't expecting a pregnancy or aren't happy about it don't see it as anything. I know of some women who didn't want their pregnancy, and to them the baby is nothing, it doesn't really exist, until they actually give birth and see it for the first time.

I just believe in women having the option of terminating a pregnancy for whatever their reason may be - nobody should be able to dictate to them the circumstances under which they can have an abortion, and nobody should be forced to go get an illegal one on someone's kitchen table with a knitting needle.
I agree with the person above who essentially said 'stop assuming that only teenagers get abortions' - she's totally right. Only a tiny percentage of all abortions are performed on teenagers. The rest are women who feel they can't have a baby at that point in time because of lots of legitimate reasons - for instance, the married woman with three kids who knows a fourth child would push her family's finances to the absolute limit, and they could end up homeless, in debt, etc - she can terminate her pregnancy and her family can continue living the way they have been without the burden of another expensive mouth to feed. Or the woman in her 30's who has an important career and is expecting a promotion any day now - she doesn't have to sacrifice all her hard work to raise a child she isn't prepared for. Or, what about the woman whose husband has already made it absolutely clear that he isn't interested in being a father at any point in his life, and her Pill fails after a bout with the flu, and he promises to leave her rather than be 'trapped' by an unwanted child? A lot of women can't face the prospect of raising a child by themselves, so however selfish it may sound, surely it's better for her to terminate her pregnancy and keep her life the way it has been up to that point, rather than destroy everything for the sake of a child that doesn't even exist yet?
As somebody else said, you can't say to people, 'Oh, well you were raped so you can have an abortion, but you over there, you just had a broken condom, it's your damn fault, so have a baby and live with the consequences.' You either allow everyone to have the option, regardless of circumstances, or you deny everybody, and ruin a lot of lives.
And nobody can convince me with the argument about who these embryos might grow up to be - presidents, doctors, whatever. There's a child born every second, so I'm sure for all the terminated pregnancies that could have equalled a Nobel Prize winner, there are plenty others born who will amount to that. The world's so overpopulated anyway, we're running out of natural resources and space to live and grow food in, so forcing women to have unwanted babies because it's 'their fault' is ridiculous.
Besides, no 'parent' and no child should have to 'pay the price' for their actions. A child is not a legitimate 'consequence' of an accidental pregnancy - imagine how horrible their life would be.

I dont believe in it.

Yes it truly is the mothers choice, but I don't think it's right.
I was almost an abortion baby. My mom went in to get it done, but my dad went in and stopped her. So really it is murder, (like I wouldn't be here if not for my dad) but it is the mothers choice.

^^ I totally agree with Fezzik. It's not like you would have known any better if your mum had gone through with the procedure - you didn't exist at that point. As Fezzik also pointed out, you could also have ended up a miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, or retarded or disabled after birth, so it was just lucky that nothing went wrong.
I personally know of a few women who have terminated their pregnancies, one girl because it was ectopic and best case scenario, she would have miscarried it anyway, worst case scenario it could have killed her, so she simply booked in to the clinic and forgot about the whole ordeal when it was over. She's now three months' pregnant with a (so far) healthy fetus and excited to be giving her 2-year-old a little brother or sister.
Another friend of mine terminated her pregnancy because her Pill failed after a bout with the flu (her doctor prescribed antibiotics and told her they were safe to use with the pill, obviously though, they weren't), and she and her boyfriend of 6 years decided that they couldn't afford a child at that point, and just weren't ready to become parents and sacrifice the lifestyle they'd become used to. They intend to have kids someday, just not right now, and both of them feel they've made the right choice.
Neither of these women killed a person. They killed a clump of cells that are akin to cancer, in that they reproduce rapidly and are essentially a parasite inside someone's body, like a tumour.
In short, as I said, if your dad hadn't convinced your mum to go through with the pregnancy, it's definitely not murder, as you as a person didn't exist. And it's not like you or they would know any better, so it's a moot point as far as I'm concerned. Your mother had the right to choose what to do with her own body, and although she's probably thankful that your dad intervened, if she had ended up doing it, you wouldn't know or care.

Personally, i am all for abortions. ik that if u believe in christ, that u should never take away a human life... but i dont think tht REAL LIFE, u can afford it. depends how old u are. if ur like 14 and ur parents dont help u, u cant raise a baby alone especially if the father isnt willing2 help. then again if ur dumb enough to have sex at such an early age, then its your baby, your responsibiliy, your action, you should deal with it and have the choice.

abortions are wrong ur killing the life of someone innocent............it wasn't their fault u had to get pregnant whether is wuz a rape or sumthing else...................have the baby and give it up for adoption

mcr_4ever:

abortions are wrong ur killing the life of someone innocent............it wasn't their fault u had to get pregnant whether is wuz a rape or sumthing else...................have the baby and give it up for adoption

a) Netspeak/Chatspeak isn't allowed in this forum.

b) You're killing cells, not a child.

c) So, if you get raped you should be forced to carry a child you didn't want? You are advocating destroying "the life of someone innocent" when you just said you didn't agree with that. Hypocrisy, much?

mcr_4ever:

it wasn't their fault u had to get pregnant whether is wuz a rape or sumthing else...

'It wasn't their fault' is such a moot point. 'It' isn't a person, it isn't a human being, and it certainly won't be any the wiser if you terminated it.
That's such an uneduated argument imo.
Sure, it wasn't 'their' fault, but 'they' are nothing at that point, and your life is far more important than the potential for one, so I don't see what the big deal is.

Okay. I feel the need to say this:
Everybody who is just coming in here to post, please read other comments before you post. Back up your comment(s)!

Alright, as people have said before, using a life as a "consequence" for being pregnant and not being able to have an aboriton is wrong. Any time you have sex (willingly or unwillingly), using a condom/pill or not, you will most likely get pregnant! You have sex; you get pregnant! It's not a consequence, it will happen. Saying that it is some woman's fault for getting pregnant is wrong. They didn't choose to get pregnant. If you believe life is sacred, then shouldn't a woman only bring a life into this world with care? If a woman didn't have the option of abortion, and put the baby up for adoption, who knows what would happen? It could live a horrible life, maybe a good one. The adoption system isn't very reliable. Kids end up on the streets a lot.
Also, if for some reason you kept the baby, what if you couldn't afford it, or resented it? This could lead to an abusive home life, or the child may not be able to go to school and get proper medical care. Not having the option of abortion could really set up some lives to be far more worse if they were born, instead of the would-be mom having an abortion.

^ Ehh, I'm going to disagree with you on one statement.
Yes, you're absolutely correct in saying that if you have sex, protected or not, there's a chance you will fall pregnant whether you're prepared for it or not.
However, contrary to popular belief, women are not able to conceive at such a prolific rate - despite what they teach you in school (which, I believe they should be teaching kids, because if kids know the reality of the situation it could lead to them being complacent), there are actually only about 12 - 20 days in a whole year that a woman is able to conceive a child.
Not many people are aware of that fact, and it's good that schools are teaching students that you can get pregnant any time, regardless of where you are in the menstrual cycle etc, to dispell the myths like 'if I have sex right after a period I'm safe' etc, but it's simply untrue.
The majority of people never find that out, until they stop using birth control in an attempt to start a family, and find that they have to try for months and months and months, sometimes year after year, to get pregnant, because they have to get it right on a certain day, and nobody can accurately predict that day.

Totally irrelevant to the argument when I think about it, but just a point I thought might be worth mentioning.
And yeah, I also highly agree with your bolded statement requesting that people go back and read the entire thread before posting an opinion that has either already been stated, disproven, or argued to a moot point.
I'm actually going to go hang out in the Rules thread for a while and see if it can be made mandatory for people to actually take the time to read an entire discussion before jumping in with something that has most likely already been covered. I feel if I can take the time and have the courtesy to read every single post of a 10-page discussion, and then decide whether my point of view is necessary or not, so can everybody else - it would save a lot of time and trouble around the place.
/spam.

Cigarettes And Suicide:

The majority of people never find that out, until they stop using birth control in an attempt to start a family, and find that they have to try for months and months and months, sometimes year after year, to get pregnant, because they have to get it right on a certain day, and nobody can accurately predict that day.
/spam.

What I meant was, in the case that you are able to get preganant. I see what you mean, though. Everybody is different on the day that they may be able to become pregnant, but in general, if you have sex- you would expect get pregnant. (Under whatever circumstances that you actually do.)