Abortions.

i'm pro choice because if it was rape, it's not that person's fault and if they can't afford to have a child/their parent's don't support them, it's their choice whether to have an abortion or not. if they didn't have an abortion and they were in that situation, how could the child be healthy and have a good life?

fxmous-lxst-words:

...their parent's don't support them, it's their choice whether to have an abortion or not.

Why do you automatically assume that anybody getting an abortion is a teenager or somebody who's been raped?
Would you be as pro-choice if a married woman fell pregnant to her husband, but they just decided they didn't want kids at that point in time?

Cigarettes And Suicide:

fxmous-lxst-words:

...their parent's don't support them, it's their choice whether to have an abortion or not.

Why do you automatically assume that anybody getting an abortion is a teenager or somebody who's been raped?
Would you be as pro-choice if a married woman fell pregnant to her husband, but they just decided they didn't want kids at that point in time?

I actually know of someone who is married already had a kid and fell pregnant with twins right when she started her job. Now I don't know about other places, but in America we seem to be behind when it comes to the rights of a pregnant women in the job. Like, I think they only get three months maternity leave. I know of teachers who would be in labor and still teaching because of that. ANYWAY, this girl just started her job and if she went on with the pregnacy it could have affected her future at this job (horrible, I know). She did comtemplate abortion, but in the end decided the keep the babies.

Anyway, as for the question: I would still be pro choice if a married woman wanted to have an abortion. What if her husband was abusive and she didn't want to bring a child into that world? What if her and her husband didn't have the finaces to support a child? What if it were detrimental to her health.

abortions are a main topic for many single, married, young, or divorced people.
because somepeople can not keep the child due to not having enough money
or because they don't want it.
sometimes people don''t want to have an abortion because of their religion
i understand why certain people want to have abortions and why they do it
but i personally will always be against it
and i am not going to nag anyone against abortions
its their body, their baby, and they life
if they think its the right choice then fine

im so glad i wasn't aborted....i think if you dont want to have a damn kid, dont get pregnant!

emo.princess:

im so glad i wasn't aborted....i think if you dont want to have a damn kid, dont get pregnant!

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Because you know, it's always so avoidable, right?
Kids come off of birth control.
Kids come off of improper condom use.
Kids obviously could come off of using no contraceptive at all.

There's no reason to get an abortion. Murder is murder. No matter if the woman was raped or just didn't use protection. It's murder.

Shotgun Sinner.:

There's no reason to get an abortion. Murder is murder. No matter if the woman was raped or just didn't use protection. It's murder.

It's not murder. An embryo has no brain function or feelings. It's not considered a human being. Therefore it's not murder.

And there are plenty of reasons to get an abortion. Why should someone who's already been violated be forced to carry to term an unwanted child who only brings back horrible memories? Why should a responsible woman who uses birth control that fails have to raise a child that destroys her future goals? Why should a woman who makes a mistake, for that matter, be forced to give up her future?

emo.princess:

im so glad i wasn't aborted....i think if you dont want to have a damn kid, dont get pregnant!

Yes, unplanned pregnancies are called so for a reason.

Fezzik:

It's not murder. An embryo has no brain function or feelings. It's not considered a human being. Therefore it's not murder.

And there are plenty of reasons to get an abortion. Why should someone who's already been violated be forced to carry to term an unwanted child who only brings back horrible memories? Why should a responsible woman who uses birth control that fails have to raise a child that destroys her future goals? Why should a woman who makes a mistake, for that matter, be forced to give up her future?

.Actually, there are quite a few articles and websites that depict the stages of an embryo's development in the first few weeks. You'd be surprised at when they develop nerves and their hearts start beating, all before a woman might even know she was pregnant.

Fezzik:

^By "nerves", those websites mean "dorsal hollow nerve cord common to all vertebrates at early stages of development." There's no brain; no nerve cells that would register pain.
And heartbeat is totally irrelevant to the human-or-not debate.

Humans are defined by our brains. No brain function = not human, quite simply. That's why hospitals are allowed to harvest organs from organ donors whose brains have died. Embryos don't have brains - yes, they might develop them, if they're not miscarried, but if it doesn't have a brain and it's in your body, you can do what you want with it.

Exactly. I had my first ultrasound at 9 weeks and could see a heartbeat and see arm and leg buds flailing around, but at that time it was still just a bunch of random cells developing. It wasn't human, it wasn't 'alive' as such, it didn't feel or think or have any human characteristics.
Fezzik's right on the mark - if a heartbeat and the first inkling of a spinal cord denoted a human being, hospitals wouldn't be able to harvest organs from brain-dead people on life support. Those people aren't alive anymore - their breathing and heartbeat are controlled by machines - if the ambulance had got to them five minutes later, they'd be declared dead and would have buried a few days later - not kept warm in a hospital bed for potentially months or years, in the futile hope that some day they'll miraculously wake up.
Back to fetuses, I'm 30 weeks pregnant now and if the baby were to be born, it would only have a very slim chance at survival - it's still a fetus and not able to survive outside the womb. Therefore, aborting a baby before 20 weeks or whatever the cut-off is, isn't murder or killing a baby - it's removing what's essentially a tumour, whether it has its own heartbeat or not.

Shotgun Sinner.:

There's no reason to get an abortion.

If there is no reason, then why would women have them? "Invention" is a creation of necessity.

Just note, this is MY OPINION, and I respect all of your opinions..but they would have them as the easy way out. You think a woman having an innocent little child would bring back bad memories? What about knowing that you stopped life from happening?

The baby/embryo of the baby did nothing to the mother.

I'm all for choice..but murder is murder, no matter if it has feelings or not, alive or dead.

I'm against abortion. but if its incest or rape its up to the woman. those are the ONLY reasons a women should even CONSIDER abortions.

if the women gets pregant because she chose to have sex she shouldnt have one. its her fault for using unprotected sex. my mom had a abortion when she was 18 before i was born, just because she didnt want it, it got in the way. i'm mad because that baby could've been the older brother i've always wanted, and the boy my mom and dad always wanted.

rape and incest should be the only reason to get a abortion.

Shotgun Sinner.:

Just note, this is MY OPINION, and I respect all of your opinions..but they would have them as the easy way out. You think a woman having an innocent little child would bring back bad memories? What about knowing that you stopped life from happening?

The baby/embryo of the baby did nothing to the mother.

I'm all for choice..but murder is murder, no matter if it has feelings or not, alive or dead.

Firstly, you can't murder something that's dead. Second, if you want to believe that life begins at conception, that's your prerogative; no one can make you believe any different. But scientifically, the evidence just isn't there, and the government (well the, US government, at the very least) must operate on science over religion / personal beliefs.

An abortion isn't an easy way out, though. It comes with it's own set of consequences that a woman must deal with. The important thing, though, is that she can deal with them; she can deal with them and move on. She can grieve and then go on with her life. Having a child is a life-long commitment. A woman who doesn't want that child will never move on with her life; she'll be stuck with something she never wanted forever. Personally, the idea of raising a child that is unwanted and will always have that stigma is far more horrible to me than terminating something that doesn't even know the difference. More importantly, the woman does know the difference; and it can make all the difference in the world to her. Why should the rights of something that isn't even truly alive outweigh those of a fully-developed woman?

MCR Rocks:

I'm against abortion. but if its incest or rape its up to the woman. those are the ONLY reasons a women should even CONSIDER abortions.

if the women gets pregant because she chose to have sex she shouldnt have one. its her fault for using unprotected sex. my mom had a abortion when she was 18 before i was born, just because she didnt want it, it got in the way. i'm mad because that baby could've been the older brother i've always wanted, and the boy my mom and dad always wanted.

rape and incest should be the only reason to get a abortion.

Not all unwanted pregnancies happen because of unprotected sex. Plenty of people have responsible sex and get pregnant anyway. You can't tell people not to have sex; it's only natural. What about those women? They're victims of circumstance, just like women who have been raped. Should they be forced to keep unwanted children too?

If your mother hadn't had an abortion, she might never have had you. Or the baby might have miscarried. Anything could have happened. It's all a game of what-if, and frankly quite pointless in the abortion debate. You can't truly miss what never existed, and you never had an older brother or sister.

And if you can come up with a way to properly regulate abortions so that only rape victims get them, by all means, share it.

Fezzik:

Shotgun Sinner.:

Just note, this is MY OPINION, and I respect all of your opinions..but they would have them as the easy way out. You think a woman having an innocent little child would bring back bad memories? What about knowing that you stopped life from happening?

The baby/embryo of the baby did nothing to the mother.

I'm all for choice..but murder is murder, no matter if it has feelings or not, alive or dead.

Firstly, you can't murder something that's dead. Second, if you want to believe that life begins at conception, that's your prerogative; no one can make you believe any different. But scientifically, the evidence just isn't there, and the government (well the, US government, at the very least) must operate on science over religion / personal beliefs.

An abortion isn't an easy way out, though. It comes with it's own set of consequences that a woman must deal with. The important thing, though, is that she can deal with them; she can deal with them and move on. She can grieve and then go on with her life. Having a child is a life-long commitment. A woman who doesn't want that child will never move on with her life; she'll be stuck with something she never wanted forever. Personally, the idea of raising a child that is unwanted and will always have that stigma is far more horrible to me than terminating something that doesn't even know the difference. More importantly, the woman does know the difference; and it can make all the difference in the world to her. Why should the rights of something that isn't even truly alive outweigh those of a fully-developed woman?

MCR Rocks:

I'm against abortion. but if its incest or rape its up to the woman. those are the ONLY reasons a women should even CONSIDER abortions.

if the women gets pregant because she chose to have sex she shouldnt have one. its her fault for using unprotected sex. my mom had a abortion when she was 18 before i was born, just because she didnt want it, it got in the way. i'm mad because that baby could've been the older brother i've always wanted, and the boy my mom and dad always wanted.

rape and incest should be the only reason to get a abortion.

Not all unwanted pregnancies happen because of unprotected sex. Plenty of people have responsible sex and get pregnant anyway. You can't tell people not to have sex; it's only natural. What about those women? They're victims of circumstance, just like women who have been raped. Should they be forced to keep unwanted children too?

If your mother hadn't had an abortion, she might never have had you. Or the baby might have miscarried. Anything could have happened. It's all a game of what-if, and frankly quite pointless in the abortion debate. You can't truly miss what never existed, and you never had an older brother or sister.

And if you can come up with a way to properly regulate abortions so that only rape victims get them, by all means, share it.

Fezzik is right. theres more ways of getting pregnant from unprotected sex like i said. but if people would learn how to use birth control and condoms right then this wouldnt be this big of an issue

Fezzik:

And if you can come up with a way to properly regulate abortions so that only rape victims get them, by all means, share it.[/size][/font]

Thank you. You can't just say "Oh, you were raped, you definitely should be able to have an abortion." You cannot prove somebody was raped. And if you can, what about the other women? It's everybody or nobody.

Also, how is having an aboriton "the easy way out?" I am highly curious about people that want to have to have an aboriton.

Let me state somehting, a baby isn't a consequence of getting pregnant. You get pregnant, you are with child. Everybody who is pregnant isn't "bearing the consequence." You can't call having a child a consequence. There are planned pregnancies, and there are unplanned ones. If you get pregnant a child isn't a consequence- you can't say that somebody whose condom broke should have to "bear the consequence of their actions." If it was a planned pregnancy, then it isn't a consequence? Nobody has to have a child.