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Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 7th, 2007 at 06:27pm NotOkay22: No there cant be. Jesus says the punishment for sin is death, no matter how "small" the sin. Jesus said that all sins are as bad as the others, that a lie deserves the same punishment as murder. But he loves us and wants us to be free from Hell. So he gave us his son (I cant imagine how hard it was to sacrifice his son!). Even Jesus was scared of death, he prayed to God that he wouldn't have to die on the cross, but he knew that it had to be done, so he accepted it. Heaven or Hell.You follow Jesus, you spend the rest of your life with him in paradise. You deny him and well...Hell. That's how it works, that's the plan. And Jesus gave us a full warning of this. Well...that's what you believe. It just doesn't sound right to me, is all.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 7th, 2007 at 06:27pm ^^ Well thats ok. Im just explaining my viewpoint is all.
KillJoys Bulletproof Heart Age: - Gender: - Posts: 25453	August 8th, 2007 at 01:21am But Jesus taught love and forgiveness. if God is Benevolent how can he send any one to hell if he made them? He created them. God is meant to love all of us and Jesus said this. 'There is no man nor women, Jew nor gentile, Greek nor roman you are all equal in the eyes of God.' Gentile is a word for a non believer and there weren't alot of Roman believes around at the time of Jesus thus meaning God loves us all the same no matter what faith we choose to follow or not follow at all.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 8th, 2007 at 10:02pm PrettyHandsomeAkward: But Jesus taught love and forgiveness. if God is Benevolent how can he send any one to hell if he made them? He created them. God is meant to love all of us and Jesus said this. 'There is no man nor women, Jew nor gentile, Greek nor roman you are all equal in the eyes of God.' Gentile is a word for a non believer and there weren't alot of Roman believes around at the time of Jesus thus meaning God loves us all the same no matter what faith we choose to follow or not follow at all. God doesn't send is to Hell. We send ourselves there. God does love everyone, but that doesn't mean that everyone will get into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mr.Armstrong Awake and Unafraid Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 12135	August 8th, 2007 at 11:11pm NotOkay22: To MyBlackDaliah and PrettyHandsomeAkward: Jesus said plain and tall that good deeds to not get you into Heaven, its faith in him. It doesnt matter how "good" you are, Jesus is "the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me". Right there, you need Jesus to get into Heaven, good deeds dont do it. No doubt good deeds are a good thing, but you need Jesus to get to Heaven. im not saying i dont believe in god . but im muslim and in the quran( the holy book) it says nothing about following jesus will get you to heaven. cause in islam it says that jesus is just a prophet who was put on earth to make people believe in god. it also says that jesus was never crusified. that when everyone was hunting him down god made another person look like jesus to save jesus. and it says jesus to this day isnt dead he's waiting on judgement day (last day of the world) so he can send his message to everyone. god didnt make hell god only made heaven. but tell me if this makes sense. you lived most of your days doing bad deeds.but you kept your faith. and everybad deed you did was against your religion. does that mean that if you follow jesus no matter all these things your going to heaven? what i believe is no. if you keep your faith,pray,do many good deeds,and believe in what god tells you. then you go to heaven. but still i might be wrong too because fact is none of us know weather or not we are going to heaven. thats gods desicion not jesus's.
KillJoys Bulletproof Heart Age: - Gender: - Posts: 25453	August 9th, 2007 at 01:36am NotOkay22: God doesn't send is to Hell. We send ourselves there. God does love everyone, but that doesn't mean that everyone will get into the Kingdom of Heaven. But isn't God the final judge, if he loves us, if he sees us as children, how can he send any of us away?
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 9th, 2007 at 03:27am xMyBlackDaliahx: NotOkay22: To MyBlackDaliah and PrettyHandsomeAkward: Jesus said plain and tall that good deeds to not get you into Heaven, its faith in him. It doesnt matter how "good" you are, Jesus is "the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me". Right there, you need Jesus to get into Heaven, good deeds dont do it. No doubt good deeds are a good thing, but you need Jesus to get to Heaven. im not saying i dont believe in god . but im muslim and in the quran( the holy book) it says nothing about following jesus will get you to heaven. cause in islam it says that jesus is just a prophet who was put on earth to make people believe in god. it also says that jesus was never crusified. that when everyone was hunting him down god made another person look like jesus to save jesus. and it says jesus to this day isnt dead he's waiting on judgement day (last day of the world) so he can send his message to everyone. god didnt make hell god only made heaven. but tell me if this makes sense. you lived most of your days doing bad deeds.but you kept your faith. and everybad deed you did was against your religion. does that mean that if you follow jesus no matter all these things your going to heaven? what i believe is no. if you keep your faith,pray,do many good deeds,and believe in what god tells you. then you go to heaven. but still i might be wrong too because fact is none of us know weather or not we are going to heaven. thats gods desicion not jesus's. That's true, but if you were really following Jesus then you wouldn't go around sinning him regardless. You would do your best everyday to follow his word. Its ok to falter, but there is such a thing as going too far. And of course about the Muslim thing. Of course I don't believe that so, it doesn't really make sense to me. I don't believe that God made Heaven. Satan did. He created it for him and his demons. But God acknowledges it and knows that if you deny him and his word, then the Devil is who you spend the rest of your life with.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 9th, 2007 at 03:29am PrettyHandsomeAkward: NotOkay22: God doesn't send is to Hell. We send ourselves there. God does love everyone, but that doesn't mean that everyone will get into the Kingdom of Heaven. But isn't God the final judge, if he loves us, if he sees us as children, how can he send any of us away? Because we denied him as a Father and Savior, he has to. People that don't choose him cant get into Heaven, that's the rules. He wouldn't be happy to send people to Hell, but it has to be done.
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 9th, 2007 at 03:53am the whole point of a sin is keep us in control. God knows that if we did all of the seven sins the world would full of chaos, so he said that therefore we must try our best to not sin as much as we can.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 9th, 2007 at 03:56am Girl next door: the whole point of a sin is keep us in control. God knows that if we did all of the seven sins the world would full of chaos, so he said that therefore we must try our best to not sin as much as we can. Exactly, No one is perfect, we all sin, but if you sin all the time shamelessly until you die, then Hell is where you go.
ChildVision Really Not Okay Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 657	August 9th, 2007 at 05:08am im not very religous (so i do believe in a god) and its not because my parents never took me to church. in fact i go every sunday. my moms a reverand and i still am a pure athiest
ChildVision Really Not Okay Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 657	August 9th, 2007 at 05:08am i mean i dont ack soory now im spamming
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 9th, 2007 at 05:43am CemeteryDrive123: im not very religous (so i do believe in a god) and its not because my parents never took me to church. in fact i go every sunday. my moms a reverand and i still am a pure athiest i have nothing against athiesim,( i have a friend who's athiest) people can believe what they want to believe, you cant force your relegion on someone. but i'm curious, if your mom's a reverand, then how did you become athiest? did something happen that just made you lose faith or do you just not believe in him? my friend's is athiest because shes a spoiled brat who didnt get what she wanted, so she blamed it on God. i'm not saying anything about you, i'm just really curious how it happened
insane clown posse. In The Murder Scene Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 21349	August 9th, 2007 at 07:36am NotOkay22: Exactly, No one is perfect, we all sin, but if you sin all the time shamelessly until you die, then Hell is where you go. Maybe in your religion that's were you think we go. I'm Jewish. In my religion there is no hell. No matter what you do you are not a bad person.
ChildVision Really Not Okay Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 657	August 9th, 2007 at 02:35pm No im not a spoiled brat. i volenteer (spelling?) and i see a lot of people die each day (including chirldren) and if you see that its kinda hard to believe that someone is watching over them. i do not beleive their is someone watching us and protecting us.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 9th, 2007 at 02:59pm My Dear Juliet.: NotOkay22: Exactly, No one is perfect, we all sin, but if you sin all the time shamelessly until you die, then Hell is where you go. Maybe in your religion that's were you think we go. I'm Jewish. In my religion there is no hell. No matter what you do you are not a bad person. I know. Im talking about MY religion.
Lux Aeterna Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 433	August 9th, 2007 at 03:02pm I am a Christian and so naturally believe in God + Holy Spirit + what Jesus did to save us Lots of people ask 'why doesn't God just let us all go to heaven?' He already did all he can. He sent Jesus down to the earth he created to die for our sins + rebelions so that we can have life. If you ask me I see no reason to reject God and Jesus into my life after what they did for me [us all]. And another thing....lots of people joke around about hell but it seriously isn't a topic to joke about! Burning in flames of ridiculous temperatures, ridiculed and beaten by devils who know nothing but hate for ETERNITY; meaning no second chance. ....If you ask me thats is FREAKY! So why not just choose heaven? The longest possible lifetime on earth is ABSOLUTELY nothing compared to eternity. Doing the right thing during this life will definately pay off. Now that doesn't mean you have to change into boring perfect people with no lives who sing slow hymns every Sunday. It takes a long time turn away from the world but its worth it! And about the whole boring thing? Well my church practically has a mosh pit! Yeah I just wanted to clear that all up and hopefully you can just think about this stuff because it is the most important thing in my life at the moment and till the day I die [or for all I know Jesus comes back].
KillJoys Bulletproof Heart Age: - Gender: - Posts: 25453	August 9th, 2007 at 03:52pm NotOkay22: PrettyHandsomeAkward: NotOkay22: God doesn't send is to Hell. We send ourselves there. God does love everyone, but that doesn't mean that everyone will get into the Kingdom of Heaven. But isn't God the final judge, if he loves us, if he sees us as children, how can he send any of us away? Because we denied him as a Father and Savior, he has to. People that don't choose him cant get into Heaven, that's the rules. He wouldn't be happy to send people to Hell, but it has to be done. Jesus died for our sins therefore freeing us of our sins. Its human nature to sin and I think and believe that everyone will go to heaven as long as they are truely sorry for there actions no matter what religion you are.
KillJoys Bulletproof Heart Age: - Gender: - Posts: 25453	August 9th, 2007 at 04:08pm Lux Aeterna: And another thing....lots of people joke around about hell but it seriously isn't a topic to joke about! Burning in flames of ridiculous temperatures, ridiculed and beaten by devils who know nothing but hate for ETERNITY; meaning no second chance. ....If you ask me that's is FREAKY! So why not just choose heaven? The longest possible lifetime on earth is ABSOLUTELY nothing compared to eternity. Doing the right thing during this life will definitely pay off. You're describing hell as a physical place with physical pain. Like I've said before when you die you leave your physical being. So how can you feel pain? that's a reflex of the human body. The answer is you can't. We don't know what hell is like, just like we don't know what heaven is like. I personally don't believe in hell. I just think its not getting into heaven. If heaven is Paradise then everything apart from it must be hell.
Rhys Webb Awake and Unafraid Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 12341	August 9th, 2007 at 05:31pm yes, we don't know what heaven and hell is like, but if you read Dante's Inferno, he describes hell as a place that has psychical torture. it is similar to the saying "an eye for an eye". everyone to Dante is tortured in hell according to their sins. an example would be the suicides, who in hell are not given a life and are turned into bushes and trees, and therefore can only speak for as long as they bleed. if they didn't want a life in the real world, why would they want one in hell? that was Dante's thinking. i am not saying i agree with it, but there are tons of other people who believe that hell is place where you endure physical pain. i don't like religion, at all, and personally i am against all forms -- yes, including atheism. to me you can believe in god and not have a religion, you can NOT believe in god and not have a religion. every religion was man made ("jesus" was a man, no?), so i don't see why everyone says that christianty was not a man made religion... makes no sense to me. i am skeptical about their being a god, but right now i personally do not believe in anything. one of the reasons why i cannot say i am an atheist is because i believe in an afterlife. and besides, like i said i am against all forms of religion, no matter what you are. i dislike churches and other places of worship, i dislike all of the wars that are started because of someone else's beliefs. and most of all, i dislike the fact that religion is now constantly brought into politics. lets see how many people disagree with me.

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