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UndyingSoul.
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August 9th, 2007 at 06:01pm
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
Lux Aeterna:

And another thing....lots of people joke around about hell but it seriously isn't a topic to joke about! Burning in flames of ridiculous temperatures, ridiculed and beaten by devils who know nothing but hate for ETERNITY; meaning no second chance.
....If you ask me that's is FREAKY!

So why not just choose heaven? The longest possible lifetime on earth is ABSOLUTELY nothing compared to eternity. Doing the right thing during this life will definitely pay off.



You're describing hell as a physical place with physical pain. Like I've said before when you die you leave your physical being. So how can you feel pain? that's a reflex of the human body. The answer is you can't. We don't know what hell is like, just like we don't know what heaven is like. I personally don't believe in hell. I just think its not getting into heaven. If heaven is Paradise then everything apart from it must be hell.


BUt Jesus said himself that Hell was flames and eternal pain and suffering. It doesnt matter if its physical or not, its not going to be fun.

I totally agree with Lux Aeterna.
UndyingSoul.
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August 9th, 2007 at 06:03pm
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
NotOkay22:
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NotOkay22:


God doesn't send is to Hell. We send ourselves there. God does love everyone, but that doesn't mean that everyone will get into the Kingdom of Heaven.


But isn't God the final judge, if he loves us, if he sees us as children, how can he send any of us away?


Because we denied him as a Father and Savior, he has to. People that don't choose him cant get into Heaven, that's the rules. He wouldn't be happy to send people to Hell, but it has to be done.


Jesus died for our sins therefore freeing us of our sins. Its human nature to sin and I think and believe that everyone will go to heaven as long as they are truely sorry for there actions no matter what religion you are.


But what if you love your life on Earth and are happy, its not Heaven, so does that mean that its Hell. No. Hell is described as a place for torture, and Heaven is a place of worship and happiness.
KillJoys
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August 9th, 2007 at 06:51pm
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Still we have no proof of this. We do not know what or where heaven is. Nor do we know what hell is like. In addittion Jesus talk many things in parables. The the parable of the bowl under the lamp. People of that back then didn't know what this parable meant. They just though Jesus was telling them where to place there lighten where as in reality it mean you should let your faith show and grow. Maybe Jesus explain heaven and hell in simple terms for the people. I mean when Jesus was on the cross he said

'There are many rooms in my father's house'

This doesn't mean that heaven it literary a house. No human likes to be tortured therefore hell must be some form of torture so Jesus describe it like this. And all humans like to be happy and with loved ones, so therefore this must be what heavens like and Jesus described it like this.

I still hold the fact that there is not hell, because not being in paradise must be hell and torture in itself.
Rhys Webb
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August 9th, 2007 at 07:04pm
there are lots of things in religion we have no proof off.
dont stop.
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August 9th, 2007 at 07:59pm
Citizen Erased.:
there are lots of things in religion we have no proof off.
Almost everything in religion hasn't and can never be proven. It's all about fate in something you can't see, but you think is there.
I do highly respect religious people for that. Mainly because I can't do that. I can't have faith in something if I don't know if it's actually there.

But, I'm thinking of picking a religion that has nothing to do with a 'god' or a 'devil'. No beings of good and evil. Just the actual good and evil energies are enough for me.

Carrie White
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August 9th, 2007 at 08:37pm
CemeteryDrive123:
No im not a spoiled brat.
i volenteer (spelling?) and i see a lot of people die each day (including chirldren) and if you see that its kinda hard to believe that someone is watching over them.
i do not beleive their is someone watching us and protecting us.


never said you were, my friend is. even though people die every day doesnt mean someones not watching over them, it was just their time to go. you're allowed to believe what you believe, i was just curious about athiests, cause i dont know a lot people who are
Carrie White
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August 9th, 2007 at 08:47pm
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
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Still we have no proof of this. We do not know what or where heaven is. Nor do we know what hell is like. In addittion Jesus talk many things in parables. The the parable of the bowl under the lamp. People of that back then didn't know what this parable meant. They just though Jesus was telling them where to place there lighten where as in reality it mean you should let your faith show and grow. Maybe Jesus explain heaven and hell in simple terms for the people. I mean when Jesus was on the cross he said

'There are many rooms in my father's house'

This doesn't mean that heaven it literary a house. No human likes to be tortured therefore hell must be some form of torture so Jesus describe it like this. And all humans like to be happy and with loved ones, so therefore this must be what heavens like and Jesus described it like this.

I still hold the fact that there is not hell, because not being in paradise must be hell and torture in itself.


we really have no proof of anything in any religion cause no one alive has seen anything about their religion with their own eyes. heaven is or isn't what people say it is and its the same for hell. we don't know exactly what it is all we have to go on is a book that was wrote thousands of years ago. heaven and hell can be anything we just don't know it.

but to quote a person who left it anonymous ^^; ' i would rather live believing in God, only to die and find out he didn't exist, then to live not believing in him, and die and find out he did'
KillJoys
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August 9th, 2007 at 08:51pm
Girl next door:

but to quote a person who left it anonymous ^^; ' i would rather live believing in God, only to die and find out he didn't exist, then to live not believing in him, and die and find out he did'


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But then you are believing for the wrong reasons. You should believe because you have faith and love in God. Not because you are scared of what comes after death.
Carrie White
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:03pm
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NotOkay22:
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NotOkay22:


God doesn't send is to Hell. We send ourselves there. God does love everyone, but that doesn't mean that everyone will get into the Kingdom of Heaven.


But isn't God the final judge, if he loves us, if he sees us as children, how can he send any of us away?


Because we denied him as a Father and Savior, he has to. People that don't choose him cant get into Heaven, that's the rules. He wouldn't be happy to send people to Hell, but it has to be done.


Jesus died for our sins therefore freeing us of our sins. Its human nature to sin and I think and believe that everyone will go to heaven as long as they are truely sorry for there actions no matter what religion you are.



that's what NotOkay22 and i said a few posts before this. everyone sins, its human nature, but the if you sin constantly, and without shame, you are not forgive and will go to hell. Jesus died for our sins, everyone was sinning and people weren't aware of the wrath, so Jesus died to make us realize that what we did was serious, and people changed their ways, and the people who didn't change went to hell, i cant stress that enough
Carrie White
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:11pm
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
Girl next door:

but to quote a person who left it anonymous ^^; ' i would rather live believing in God, only to die and find out he didn't exist, then to live not believing in him, and die and find out he did'


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But then you are believing for the wrong reasons. You should believe because you have faith and love in God. Not because you are scared of what comes after death.


i never said i was afraid of him. God loves everyone dispite their relegion, he doesnt care if you believe or not, he still loves you. what i said was i would rather live believing and having faith and die to find out that i was wrong and find out wherever i will go, then to not believe and go to heaven cause i was a good person and feel bad cause i didnt believe in him. to me that would be hell itself, to see that God still loves me and i denied him in my life, it would make me unhappy even in heaven
KillJoys
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:17pm
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I still choose no to believe in hell. I believe in doing the right thing and being sorry for my sins but the whole 'hell' subject just doesn't add up to me. I think in some religions its used more to scare people into believing and in reality you can't scare some one into having faith.

Also God isn't meant to be vengeful or have any wrath. That is why he sent Jesus. In the old testament God is portrayed as this but in the knew he is known as kind and loving.

'We are all one in the eyes of God'
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:19pm
Girl next door:
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
Girl next door:

but to quote a person who left it anonymous ^^; ' i would rather live believing in God, only to die and find out he didn't exist, then to live not believing in him, and die and find out he did'


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But then you are believing for the wrong reasons. You should believe because you have faith and love in God. Not because you are scared of what comes after death.


i never said i was afraid of him. God loves everyone dispite their relegion, he doesnt care if you believe or not, he still loves you. what i said was i would rather live believing and having faith and die to find out that i was wrong and find out wherever i will go, then to not believe and go to heaven cause i was a good person and feel bad cause i didnt believe in him. to me that would be hell itself, to see that God still loves me and i denied him in my life, it would make me unhappy even in heaven


I didn't mean it as a personal attack on you
sorry if It came across as that.
I was just stating that I've heard that quote before and I just think it makes people beliefe for the wrong reasons.
Carrie White
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:24pm
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you dont have to believe in hell. you're completely intitled to your own opinion and to have people respect it, and we do, i actually think that when we die your souls still live on earth, but we cant see the living and they cant see us, and God still wathces over us. i dont know what heaven is and people are intitled to what they believe i just see that as another form of heaven. i think that hell would still be what the bible says it is though.
Carrie White
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:27pm
PrettyHandsomeAkward:

I didn't mean it as a personal attack on you
sorry if It came across as that.
I was just stating that I've heard that quote before and I just think it makes people beliefe for the wrong reasons.


no it wasnt ^^, it was actually my fault for not explaining more of why i stand by it.
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:29pm
Girl next door:


i have nothing against athiesim,( i have a friend who's athiest) people can believe what they want to believe, you cant force your relegion on someone. but i'm curious, if your mom's a reverand, then how did you become athiest? did something happen that just made you lose faith or do you just not believe in him?
my friend's is athiest because shes a spoiled brat who didnt get what she wanted, so she blamed it on God. i'm not saying anything about you, i'm just really curious how it happened
I understand that you aren't talking to me but I just felt like saying something.
I was atheist for a time, and I guess I still kind of am since I don't have a religion, really.
I became atheist because I thought it was ridiculous to believe in something that probably doesn't exist.
I thought god was another lie told, like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
Another cheap fairy tale meant to keep people happy.
But, now I'm kind of looking for a religion that has nothing to do with worship of 'god' or satan. A religion that'll keep me happy without bringing glory to beings we don't know even exist.

And, why do you call that 'spoiled brat' your friend? It's obvious you don't think well of her.

Carrie White
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:54pm
Giacomo Paradisi.:
I understand that you aren't talking to me but I just felt like saying something.
I was atheist for a time, and I guess I still kind of am since I don't have a religion, really.
I became atheist because I thought it was ridiculous to believe in something that probably doesn't exist.
I thought god was another lie told, like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
Another cheap fairy tale meant to keep people happy.
But, now I'm kind of looking for a religion that has nothing to do with worship of 'god' or satan. A religion that'll keep me happy without bringing glory to beings we don't know even exist.

And, why do you call that 'spoiled brat' your friend? It's obvious you don't think well of her.



i've felt that way before, i got really depressed and almost lost faith, but my family helped me back into my religion.

the whole spoiled brat thing. my friend is my friend cause i'm still talking to her. i dont think well of her now, but when i first met her she was nice, its just some stuff happened that made her how she is. she got new friends and started acting different. me and a couple of other friends still talk to her cause shes going to a different school than what her friends are going to and we hope that she'll be nicer, i just kinda dont want to lose anyone cause i'm having a hard time right now
Beeblebrox
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August 9th, 2007 at 10:13pm
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
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I still choose not to believe in hell.... but the whole 'hell' subject just doesn't add up to me.


I agree. This is probably going to stray from the topic, but I'm involved in an online ghost message board of professional parapsychologists and they have all said from their experience communicating with ghosts that there is not a definitive location such as hell. They've reported that many deceased spirirts simply speak of connecting with the "source" that it is love, or that they've wandered lost outside of it. They've never encountered a spirit that saw god or angels or to enter any sort of new place like heaven. But they say there is a radiant light that is full of love and goodness and truth, etc. Their experience of a hell is being shut out from the source of the light, to refuse to accept it.

This makes me think that perhaps we have tried to give god a more human personality, with a body. But maybe in reality, it's much simpler than that. Maybe god is an essence, not a person. Maybe believing in god is simply sharing love and compassion, magnifying his essence. Maybe we made a mistake in turning this idea of love into a religion of rules, codes, practices and guilt.
ChildVision
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August 9th, 2007 at 10:18pm
I highly doubt that any child i saw die was their 'Time to die"
Yes you could arugue that their in a better place but unless the parent is abusive then a childs paradise will always be with them and friends. Unless god is a horrible 'Being' then he would never take anyone away from the people they love and care for. And yet.
Carrie White
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August 10th, 2007 at 12:31am
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i'm not gonna say they're 'gonna be in a better place' . like i said before we dont know what heaven is or isnt.
'everything happens for a reason' is what i've always been told.
now i'm curious is to why you saw you the children die, volunteer work at a hospital?
Rhys Webb
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August 10th, 2007 at 03:04am
^ i've alwayed been told that everything happens for a reason as well, but i cannot find it in my heart to believe it when my uncle passed away from cancer, and my cousin's fourteen year old friend has been battling cancer from the time he was three and is now sadly dying.

but, this is what i have been thinking about all day for some odd reason:

religion can be similar to a thing called Megalomania. it is the psychological disorder where someone has delusional thoughts that they are superior to others, and are obsessed with themselves and large, extravagent things. people and especially devote followers of the christian faith and other religions tend to believe that their god is suprior to all, and sometimes to the point that they let their so-called "god" run their life. they follow everything the church says, follow all of the laws and commandments, but in the end what happens? we all wind up in a place called heaven, or hell. everyone is so obsssed with finding some kind of perfection, and paradise that sometimes they look to the church for that, basing whatever they do on the church or whatever their religion maybe. and to me, that is a bad thing just like Megalomania. you cannot walk around believing that god is superior to all, and base every little thing in your life off of your religion.

and sadly, that is what's happening in politics today. no more is it just what is going on in office, it is whther the right morals are fit for it as well. hell even jobs are like that as well. religion is sadly taking over, and that is very very sad. it just goes to show that religion can be a powerful driving force when it wants to be, especially now in the 21st century with everyone shoving their beliefs down someone's throat.

it's a sad thing to me. this is yet another reason why i am against religion.