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Lovesick Melody.
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September 30th, 2007 at 10:59am

Lock if felt necessary. :]

Okay, well I thought this would be a great discussion group for all you INOers!

MCR are very popular, especially since the hype over the Black Parade has really produced a lot more fans.
But is it healthy to put them under the microscope? Every move they make is always monitored, and is it right?

It's okay to look up to them, and its great that they helped you through some rough times, or even saved your life. But is it okay to hail them as gods?
Are they not but 5 regular guys who are just trying to help?
There are faults in everybody, famous or not, and MCR are no acception.

Please stick to the topic and keep this a discussion, not an arguement.

:] Thanks! Discuss!
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October 4th, 2007 at 01:21am

*bump*

I think this would make an excellent discussion! Wink
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October 4th, 2007 at 02:40am
i think it's none of our fucking buisness what goes on in the personal lives of the band.
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October 4th, 2007 at 03:21am
Good Topic.

I don't really think it's our business about what goes on in their lives.. But I really think they are over analyzed. I don't know if I hail them as gods. I know they are normal for sure.. Personally I think we should just let them be when we dig into their personally lives. Some people, usually fans; see one little unusual thing and jump to assumptions, and people need to learn to lay off. I know this because I was one of those people.. But now I don't believe it unless I have valid information. Besides. The boys always act weird.. And I've learn to keep sane through all of these retarded and over-the-top rumors.


Onto another thing. I really hate how they are labeled. People don't take the chance to listen to them because of what other people (ignorant people, mind you) say. I'm not saying that people are ignorant if they don't like MCR, I don't have a problem. It just ticks me off when they say 'Oh. They are EMO.. Wrist slitting pansies...' I've actually been told that before and it was absolutely ridiculous. You cannot be a music genre. Some people are very ignorant. *Puff*
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October 4th, 2007 at 05:23am
The Headhumper.:
Good Topic.

I don't really think it's our business about what goes on in their lives.. But I really think they are over analyzed. I don't know if I hail them as gods. I know they are normal for sure.. Personally I think we should just let them be when we dig into their personally lives. Some people, usually fans; see one little unusual thing and jump to assumptions, and people need to learn to lay off. I know this because I was one of those people.. But now I don't believe it unless I have valid information. Besides. The boys always act weird.. And I've learn to keep sane through all of these retarded and over-the-top rumors.


Onto another thing. I really hate how they are labeled. People don't take the chance to listen to them because of what other people (ignorant people, mind you) say. I'm not saying that people are ignorant if they don't like MCR, I don't have a problem. It just ticks me off when they say 'Oh. They are EMO.. Wrist slitting pansies...' I've actually been told that before and it was absolutely ridiculous. You cannot be a music genre. Some people are very ignorant. *Puff*




Okay...I want to respond to this, but before I do....what in the world is emo?!

Anyhow, bands have always been put under the microscope. It's been this way since the 1960's, and it continues to this day.
As far as them being hailed as gods, I've not seen anything that gives me this impression; but then again, I am rather new to this band, and am just strarting to get into their music.
If this is the case, I can say they're not the first. Remember the whole "Clapton is God" movement in the 60's? A lot of artists have had that stigma attached to them. Remember the whole fiasco with people misinterpreting what John Lennon said re: Jesus Christ? He said that religion was on the decline in America, and that the Beatles were more popular that Christ (which was true, BTW). People took this VERY personally, almost to the level of offense. They reacted in very strange ways...as though they had been betrayed by a close, personal friend. At this point, it's no longer is about the music...it's about the image that a fan has created of the musician in his/her mind. I also think that the dawn of the internet age has made it a lot easier for fans to "put these bands under the microscope," and for personal details and rumours to leak into the public spectrum.
The thing is, when a band or musician speaks personally to an individual, that band almost becomes a part of that person's psyche. They start to relate to that band on a personal level, even though they don't know the band. They want to be a part of that band's personal life, and since this is impossible, being involved in rumours, no matter how unfounded, gives them a weird sense of being involved in the personal life of band members. When a person really connects to the music of a particular band, sometimes, they start to connect to them on a personal level in their minds, and they start projecting that image onto the band.
That is why people are so quick to jump on the rumour bandwagon...It gives them a sense that they are a part of the band members' lives.
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October 4th, 2007 at 07:59am
HOLYGERARD:
i think it's none of our fucking buisness what goes on in the personal lives of the band.


Why? Give some reasons to why you think this!
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October 4th, 2007 at 08:26am
HOLYGERARD:
i think it's none of our fucking buisness what goes on in the personal lives of the band.

i think thats a little too harsh to say. I mean, I think its ok to know some facts about their personal lives especially when the band themselves speak publicly about it. But to over anaylze pictures or what they said does cross the line. All musicians and artists want to be understand through their music because of course most of what they write comes from personal experience. I guess fans tend to want to know more about the person behind the music to see if they connect with them on a more personal level.
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October 4th, 2007 at 09:08am
i dont think that they get too much attention...well compare them to what brittany spears gets, she constantly gets cameras shoved in her face and MCR get what any big band would get..
sorry if that didnt make much sence, but i tried.lol Smile
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October 4th, 2007 at 10:31am
[probably mega-spam, sorry before I begin...]

Eclipse:

Okay...I want to respond to this, but before I do....what in the world is emo?!


"Emo" is a concept that can be very hard to explain to your parents. Wink
"Emo" is a music genre, short for "emotional rock". But lately, it has been turned into a stereotype - kind of a cross between punk and goth; mostly recognisable by the long black fringe, skinny jeans, and lip ring. Rolling Eyes My Chem have been labelled "emo" because of their proclamation that they are not okay.

Of course, you could always listen to Urban Dictionary:
Urban Dictionary:

Like a Goth, only much less dark and much more Harry Potter.
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October 4th, 2007 at 12:03pm
In general if you are a celebrity, things get hard. Imagine making the normal mistakes that everyday people make and situations they are embarassed about. Then imagine it being all over the internet for anyone to see.

That's gotta be hard.

I'm not even an anybody, but even *I* get paranoid about people peeking into my windows.
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October 4th, 2007 at 01:29pm
I just hope that they don't get so bad that one of them has a Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears type meltdown.

But then, other bands are just as mega famous and they get by just fine. We just need to chillax.
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October 4th, 2007 at 01:34pm
Ready.To.Smile:

i think thats a little too harsh to say. I mean, I think its ok to know some facts about their personal lives especially when the band themselves speak publicly about it.


I agree. If they volunteer information to the fans, then that's fine. Marriages, births, etc., are matters of public record. There's really nothing that *anyone*, let alone celebs, can do about that. I do like it when they share a little with their fans (a photo or two, not the entire thing) so that the people who look up to them can be happy for them. It makes them human.

Should they be hounded by paparazzi everywhere they go? Absolutely not. If one of the guys wants to walk into a Starbucks for a coffee, they should be able to do that as easily as you or I. If they are at a public appearance (award ceremony or such) then it's a little more expected since they are there *to be seen*. Photo shoots are one thing. Shots of them in their home through a telephoto lens is too much.

However, I do feel that "with great power comes great responsibility." If they are in the public eye, and have young people looking up to them, it is in everyone's best interests to have them act as good role models. It's their choice, of course, but I tend to have more respect for celebrities who try to be good role models than for the ones who model poor behavior.

What little I know about the personal lives of MCR are things I heard on the LOTMS or various sanctioned articles. I don't scour the internet for info that they aren't freely willing to share, because I have more respect for them than that.

Fame is a double-edged sword. You can't have a public job and expect complete privacy. Even in my job I have to be careful when I'm in public -- one of my kids saw me at Chipotle drinking a beer and the parent looked at me differently for a while. I'm over 21, I can have a beer if I want to, but having one of my kids see that was odd. With my comic job, my actions reflect on my charity. I have to be careful with the fans and the artists because what I say and do reflect on a respected organization. Celebrities are the same way -- they are their own job, and their actions reflect on that.
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October 4th, 2007 at 02:01pm
So, I am reading all the other replies... and I have to ask


What would YOU do if you ran into a member of MCR in a public place? This may be your only chance in life to meet them in person.
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October 4th, 2007 at 10:37pm
i just hate when people are all like "oooooo do you hate mcr now that gee has a wife? what's her name again?" it just pisses me off that people get in the lives of celebs and totally invading their privacy. plus my day was really bad yesterday, so sry to sound bichy! (this was sort of and anti teenie statement)
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October 5th, 2007 at 02:09am

^^
But then again there are people that celebrate these things.
Like when I heard Gerard was engaged/married, I was happy! I mean its natural curiousity that when you hear that someone in your favourite band has gotten married then you want to know who it is!
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October 5th, 2007 at 02:55am
It's natural to want to delve into the lives of your idol...thus is the same reason why we have biographies on famous people delving into their personal lives.

It can cross the line at points, especially when it becomes name calling and finger pointing based on inconclusive/distorted facts or rumors or just simple innocent facts being twisted to fit an assumption. Sometimes, I wish people wouldn't get so affected by the actions of people they've never met nor have any contact with. It's their life, not yours; it's your life, not theirs. Everything is a product of your mind in the end.

But I don't think the band feels too much pressure from fans. I mean, didn't Gerard say they lived in a bubble so they don't go insane or something?
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October 5th, 2007 at 03:40am
Personally, I think what is outrageous is these bloody blogs and assumptions that they are by Frank. I think it's a load a bollocks really... Thats whats causing a lot of conflict with MCR right now.

And EMO means 'Emotional Hardcore'.. It was developed back in the 80's and usually the music talks about hate for a certian emotion (I'm sure). An EMO band is Circle Takes The Square. What you see today is 'Mall EMO'... People brand other bands EMO for no particular reason.. So if you are told MCR is EMO then... It isn't true.

EMO has basically turned into a stereotype and is so overused people don't even know what the word means anymore.

Personally, if the internet didn't exist.. Or blogs didn't exist.. There would be less speculation about the Boys' personal lives.
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October 5th, 2007 at 03:47am
Just Tara:

What would YOU do if you ran into a member of MCR in a public place? This may be your only chance in life to meet them in person.


When I worked at Disney I ran into celebrities all the time and performed for many of them. But that's it and that's all. They were there to enjoy time with their families. I wouldn't want to be the person to disrupt that.

Now with my comic work, I meet comic celebrities all the time. Most of the time it is in a public forum where they are either being paid to appear or are appearing to make money from their art -- or in my case, are volunteering their time at our booth to help our charity. It is perfectly fine to walk up and talk to them because that is what they are there for. Now if I happen to go out to dinner and see them with their families, I might wave if they saw and recognized me, but that would be it unless I was invited to do more. I've had that happen where artists I've worked with saw me outside of the con and invited me to join them.

On the other hand, I've been out to dinner where the artist was recognized and asked for autographs, pictures, and sketches. It's a little uncomfortable for everyone. Maybe I can see it differently since I've been on both sides of the table.

If I were at a Starbucks and turned around and one of the guys were behind me, I would probably at least say, "Hey, I really love your band" or something similar, but leave it at that. Then the ball is in their court. If they have a minute and feel like chatting with a fan, they know I'm interested. If they're busy or just in a bad mood and don't want to mess with it, they can say thanks and move on. Either way, I can still call my friends and say, "Hey! I just ran into Ray Toro at Starbucks!" (and my friends would be like, "Who is Ray Toro?"Wink The point is, they're just a human being. They will probably at least appreciate the fact that they were recognized and praised, but I know they wouldn't want to be ambushed, cornered, and forced to converse with someone they don't know. My feeling is, just because I'm a fan, it doesn't give me the right to demand their personal time.
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October 5th, 2007 at 04:29am
psychochip:
Just Tara:

What would YOU do if you ran into a member of MCR in a public place? This may be your only chance in life to meet them in person.


When I worked at Disney I ran into celebrities all the time and performed for many of them. But that's it and that's all. They were there to enjoy time with their families. I wouldn't want to be the person to disrupt that.

Now with my comic work, I meet comic celebrities all the time. Most of the time it is in a public forum where they are either being paid to appear or are appearing to make money from their art -- or in my case, are volunteering their time at our booth to help our charity. It is perfectly fine to walk up and talk to them because that is what they are there for. Now if I happen to go out to dinner and see them with their families, I might wave if they saw and recognized me, but that would be it unless I was invited to do more. I've had that happen where artists I've worked with saw me outside of the con and invited me to join them.

On the other hand, I've been out to dinner where the artist was recognized and asked for autographs, pictures, and sketches. It's a little uncomfortable for everyone. Maybe I can see it differently since I've been on both sides of the table.

If I were at a Starbucks and turned around and one of the guys were behind me, I would probably at least say, "Hey, I really love your band" or something similar, but leave it at that. Then the ball is in their court. If they have a minute and feel like chatting with a fan, they know I'm interested. If they're busy or just in a bad mood and don't want to mess with it, they can say thanks and move on. Either way, I can still call my friends and say, "Hey! I just ran into Ray Toro at Starbucks!" (and my friends would be like, "Who is Ray Toro?"Wink The point is, they're just a human being. They will probably at least appreciate the fact that they were recognized and praised, but I know they wouldn't want to be ambushed, cornered, and forced to converse with someone they don't know. My feeling is, just because I'm a fan, it doesn't give me the right to demand their personal time.



You know, I have to admit... I only posted that question to see who would have an answer most like what I was thinking.
You hit the nail right on the head!
I am by no means famous, but I can tell you that with 3 little ones, even a trip to the local Target turns into a fiasco. I love talking about my kids and I do appreciate what people think about them, but sometimes I jsut want to be left the hell alone.
I can imagine it is MUCH worse for someone who is of celebrity.
And then what, when they want to be alone they get mobbed. Yeah, it comes with the territory, but a 5 minute stop at Starbucks could turn into an hour long thing.
And then if they turn people away they are called "assholes" by the people there... then that get spread around all over the place.

And because of that, i am glad I am not famous... because, you know, there were so many chances for me to be... but I turned them all down LOL
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October 5th, 2007 at 06:50am
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"Emo" is a concept that can be very hard to explain to your parents. Wink
"Emo" is a music genre, short for "emotional rock". But lately, it has been turned into a stereotype - kind of a cross between punk and goth; mostly recognisable by the long black fringe, skinny jeans, and lip ring. Rolling Eyes My Chem have been labelled "emo" because of their proclamation that they are not okay.

Of course, you could always listen to Urban Dictionary:



I don't get it...Isn't ALL rock music emotional, to some extent? What makes some rock emotional, and other rock unemotional?
The only rock that I don't see as "emotional" were those lame-ass L.A. glam bands from the 80's, or Weird Al.
In that respect, you could put all sorts of artists under Emo...almost all mod rockers from the 60's, new wave, punk, Depeche Mode, Nirvana, the Sex Pistols...You name it, it involves SOME degree of emoting. I guess it just depends on WHAT they are emoting? I really don't get it. Sounds like a pretty ill-thought out term to me....like the guy who penned it was running short of catchy genre names.