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January 17th, 2008 at 05:50pm
Well, in history class (you'd think it happened in science class. lol) we were talking about cloning and it got me thinking, are we going too far? Well I enjoy science and am very good at it, but I just think we are going too far with some of this junk.. here are some questions I have...
1)How far is too far?
2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree?
3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?
4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people?
5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?
6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original?
7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?
CoolDo you think we will successfully resurrect people
9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed?
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January 17th, 2008 at 06:01pm
I will start this thread:
1)How far is too far? I think we should stop soon, We are already on the boarderline. NO CLONING, and DEFINITLY, NO RESURECTION! I have a certaint ammount of respect for death and don't think it should be messed with.
2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree? I think it would be a horrible idea to ressurect. Fist off, The population is already too big. Second, yes, it would be selfish. It may be good in some cases though....
3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned? HECK NO!!! all natural please
4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people? No, I think it might, like, screw up our DNA or something
5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?No, once again with the population thing. Also, it would be too hard to tell who is who. Although, if you get a clone you could murdur it or beat it and not t he real thing, but that would bring up some sort of "clones rights" movement, i'm sure.
6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original? No, physiclly, yes, emotionally no. Your emotions make you YOU and I dont think even a clone could copie your exact emotions..
7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?Yes, we have already cloned anamals, were one step closer
CoolDo you think we will successfully resurrect people? Yes, we have resurected Abe Lincoln for 5 seconds... that's bad!
9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed? Well, in abes case they problly preserved him extremely well, but it looked to me like he would loook NOW (not when he died) if he had never died
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January 17th, 2008 at 06:30pm

Question number four, I read some theory about some scientist doing that but it didn't come out right
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January 17th, 2008 at 07:17pm
Well, in history class (you'd think it happened in science class. lol) we were talking about cloning and it got me thinking ---- lol, were just learning about cloning in biology.

1)How far is too far? --- Killing for no reason, or killing someone who is an actual being and out of cell stage, to save someone else. And thinking that we should be aloud to say who dies and who doesn't. And starting a war for stupid reasons and treating living things like they're some sort of object, thinking we can control everything.... just, a lot of things.

2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree? ---- Yes, because, in the end. No one is immortal, no one lives forever, and no one should ever think that they are ( we don't need Antichrists thank you ) When its someones time to die, they should die, its nature, and trying to go against nature would just mess up everything, the meaning of life, I don't think it sounds too, amusing? to me.

3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned? --- I don't eat meat... so uh. I wouldn't eat an animal in the first place. And the way I see it is, an actual animal is just the same as a cloned animal, they just got here in two different ways.

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people? --- No. Gosh no. Because if we try to clone someone, to use their organs to fix other someones, your killing someone, to save someone who should of died (kinda hypocritical to me, don't you think?). They have two different souls. its been proven that a clone looks/has a different personality from the one if was cloned from. The environment etc. that it grew up in would be way different. It would end up being like the movie The Island (good movie) and just... whats the point. People will die anyways, no matter how much they want to live, its bound to happen, and keeping them alive for a longer period of time would make them hold on to the idea that they can live forever and never have to die, or age... which would be bad, because... we all have to age, and we all have to die.

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe? ---- Read the above. No. I don't really see how cloning could be safe. So many things could go wrong. Call me paranoid if you will, but, sometimes its good to be paranoid.

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original? --- It wouldn't, they aren't. We're watching a movie about it in Biology w/ all the facts and etc. and they aren't the same. Entirely different people/things they act different, have different likes, they act different, talents are different, markings(for animals) and features are different, their insides may include the same things, but everything else is completely different, their minds and the way they look, like actual twins (not identical ones), actual twins are different, can be so different from each other, only a clone would be less like the person it was cloned from, really.

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people? --- I hope not. I know there will be a lot of controversy about it, and they might, in the future. But I really hope they don't, I mean... I know the idea of people who need organ donors etc. can get them w/ cloning sounds good... but, just everything that could go wrong and will go wrong, the killings, everything. I think its to high of a price and that if you want to get people to have organ donors, get people to donate organs when they die, ya know.

Do you think we will successfully resurrect people ---- No, no one can do that. Sure you can create a clone of the body of the person who died, but its not exactly the same person. Not the same soul.

9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed? --- Well, if your talking about using cloning, then no on both accounts. And if not, then... I assume they would be decayed, but I personally don't think we could ever bring someone back from the dead, not their soul at least. And the emotional trauma of the people who had the dead relative come back to life, though that person would have to die again, it would be WAY to hard for them to loose them a second time.

Er, sorry it was so long. Kinda got into it, I guess. Mr. Green
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January 19th, 2008 at 02:48pm
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9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed? --- Well, if your talking about using cloning, then no on both accounts. And if not, then... I assume they would be decayed, but I personally don't think we could EVER bring someone back from the dead, not their soul at least. And the emotional trauma of the people who had the dead relative come back to life, though that person would have to die again, it would be WAY to hard for them to loose them a second time.

Er, sorry it was so long. Kinda got into it, I guess. Mr. Green

Yes, because if its, like, as bad as loosing 2 people then that would be like, crap, lol. i should know.. and as for emotional trauma well it will become less and less each day but if you consider, like me say, 2 of my friends died in ways I could have prevented, so basiclly it's my fault, so for people like that at least they can not have to think its there fault, just saying and no , by the way, I do not support resurection.
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9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed? --- Well, if your talking about using cloning, then no on both accounts. And if not, then... I assume they would be decayed, but I personally don't think we could EVER bring someone back from the dead, not their soul at least. And the emotional trauma of the people who had the dead relative come back to life, though that person would have to die again, it would be WAY to hard for them to loose them a second time.

Er, sorry it was so long. Kinda got into it, I guess. Mr. Green

Yes, because if its, like, as bad as loosing 2 people then that would be like, crap, lol. i should know.. and as for emotional trauma well it will become less and less each day but if you consider, like me say, 2 of my friends died in ways I could have prevented, so basiclly it's my fault, so for people like that at least they can not have to think its there fault, just saying and no , by the way, I do not support resurection.
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January 19th, 2008 at 06:14pm
1)How far is too far?
War over stupid things. Killing things for no reason. Being a complete destroyer of any living thing that comes in our path. Have you ever seen those little kids that deliberately like to slap at butterflies and stomp them in the ground? I find that horrible.

2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree?
Yes. Mostly it's depending on someone's religion to agree, but either way, keeping someone living even after their past time is selfish and stupid. They need to go some time. And it's not going to help that person to keep them longer than they should be here. Especially if you believe in 'things happen for a reason.'....

3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?
No. I fully doubt the FDA and the scientists cloning these animals know what they're getting into. Whatever they use to clone them, especially if it's chemical or something, can make the cloned versions of animals highly harmful to eat. They probably seriously don't know what is in those cloned animals or what the result would be for whatever they're putting in those animals or doing to them.

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people?
No. It just defies humanity. I have a feeling that it wouldn't be a good idea. There is only one of a certain person for a reason. Don't push it.

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?
I'm not very sure. I mean, it depends what the situation was and everything. In certain scenarios it may or may not be a good idea.

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original?
No. Because to do this, I believe that scientists put something different in the clones, or at least do something to the real person that makes the clones different. There has to be something they use that effects the cloned version.

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?
Yes. We've already cloned animals, haven't we?

9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed?
I'm not very sure about that. The animals obviously don't. But that's a different case...it may not work that way with humans.
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January 19th, 2008 at 06:47pm
1)How far is too far?
I don't think anything should be considered too far, that is in terms of science. Yes killing needlessly is wrong, but that's nothing to do with cloning and no scientific experiments should require killing a person, using the body of someone who has died, yes, but not being killed purely for use in science. But, it's not really human nature to hold back, it's worth going as far as possible, just to see how far we could go.

2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree?
Resurrection happens a fair amount in hospitals every day, but assuming you mean something like cloning dead people? Modern cloning techniques as I understand them don't allow for it. Certainly not in the way most people imagine. It wouldn't just create a copy of a fully grown adult, this clone would be grown from an embryo.

If you were to clone a dead person, would the clone have memories? It's doubtful, they're held in the brain, not DNA.

3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?

Yes. I, and most of the population of the western world, eat things that are a lot worse. Assuming that they would not be cloning the whole animal, only growing the part intended for eating, I would agree with it. Much more efficient, no waste and no actual animals get killed. The only real problem would be that of genetic disease, that is the only real type of illness that would present itself, from what I understand. However, Dolly the sheep had several problems and a shortened life, and I'm not a professional.

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people?
As I mentioned before, it's likely that they would be growing from an embryo, so same DNA, not necessarily the same person. It's largely an argument about nature vs nurture. Personally, I doubt two people with the same DNA, raised in different circumstances, will end up as copies of the same person. It's possible they may not even look alike in later life.

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?
No. There's really no reason for it, and would probably replace normal reproduction. That would be largely detrimental, halting the ongoing evolution of the species and stopping the change in the genepool.

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original?
Already sort of answered this, no. I believe the environment that the clone grows up in would have a massive effect. A sunny country could lead to fairer hair or darker skin, whereas a cold country can lead to more fat. Early interaction with others will have a massive effect on personality. There's possibly millions of variables that would change a growing child.

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?
Not in the sense most people imagine cloning is. As said before, it would probably be growing a child with another person's DNA, similar to normal human reproduction, but without the variance. Getting an exact copy of a person is very unlikely.

CoolDo you think we will successfully resurrect people?
Already mentioned, happens all the time in hospitals. Through cloning, it wouldn't produce the same person, too many environmental factors would prevent it. As for bringing a dead, for some time, person to life? Wouldn't happen, the cells would either be dead by that time or else too starved of oxygen to allow it.

9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed?
In terms of cloning, no. As for our inprobable resurrection alternative, who knows? It can be assumed that the cells would restart, or not. It can be assumed that with the knowledge to bring a person back, that the individual cells would be easy, or not. The problem being that most events have more than one logical conclusion or reaction.
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January 20th, 2008 at 02:43pm
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1)How far is too far?
keeping a person a person alive on a feeding tube or to the point (forgive me if this is a offensive term) a vegetable

2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree?
yes i do, the question is would they want to come back?

3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?
probably not, it sounds kinda freaky and i just always think that it has some weird side effect that no one has discovered or something like that.

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people?
no it could lead to things we could not explain

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?
no like i said in the answer abover

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original?
they COULD like be cloned with out a certain disease the original had but then that would lead to a society of clones

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?
Yeah it might not be right tho.

Do you think we will successfully resurrect people
I think it will be one of those really controversial thing with the
government vs. Chruch even tho we havent solved the one were dealing with now.

9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed?
i think they were turn into goo like something from a sc-fi Movie!
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January 21st, 2008 at 11:35am
1)How far is too far? Crossing the line between human and god. It is possible in the future that all human babies could be clones, and that everyone chooses their child, picks out all of their physical characteristics (eye color, size, ect.), and they would never have to worry about getting a kid with a serious medical problem. While it may sound good, I find it wrong that someone would pick out the child they'll have, and not just religious people would agree.

2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree?
Yes, once someone has no brain waves, they're pretty much dead, and your just keeping their soul from heaven, hell, or endless sleep.

3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?
Yes. I actually think that it's a good way to obtain food. I'm pretty sure anyone starving would have no issue eating cloned food.

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people?
No way. It's just not the way human life was intended to be. I don't see humans as mere animals, and while I'm not for animal abuse in any way, shape or form, I find it wrong to create artificial human lives.

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?
No.

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original?
No, there's chances of genetic diseases and cloning mistakes not present in the original.

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?
Yes, I don't think we should, but I'm sure it'll eventually be done, whether done in a government funded lab or madman's basement.

CoolDo you think we will be able to resurrect people?
Yes, I do. And since a lot of dead people and/or their heads are frozen, Many think it'll happen. But if it were to happen, would the same personality inhabit the person, the same soul. There's a lot more to death than keeping the body fresh.

9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed?
Not if they're frozen. If not, I don't know. After all, it hasn't actually been done yet.
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January 21st, 2008 at 03:00pm
1)How far is too far?
When we begin to feel the need to control everything
Like when we start choosing what unborn babies will look like, when all vegetables are all gm because we thing they look better/ make a bigger profit.

2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree?
Like resusitation? i think thats ok, not really natrual but its seems sad to let somebodies life end when they can be kept alive

3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?
hmm.. idk tbh, because we dont know whether eating the meat from cloned animals can have health side affects for us
and i suppose id rather eat something natrual

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people?
safe, but no necesarially moral, i think i mite find it a bit creepy

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?
i think its a bit immoral

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original?
not eaxctly because when we discussed this in science we talked about how cloning people means the person has the genes but a lot of things to do with a person are enviromental and depend on past experiences and the way they live

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?
yes, but i think its a very scary thought.

CoolDo you think we will be able to resurrect people?
eventually but i think its wrong

9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed?
putting life into a decayed body would just be dumb
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January 21st, 2008 at 04:42pm
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3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?
No. I fully doubt the FDA and the scientists cloning these animals know what they're getting into. Whatever they use to clone them, especially if it's chemical or something, can make the cloned versions of animals highly harmful to eat. They probably seriously don't know what is in those cloned animals or what the result would be for whatever they're putting in those animals or doing to them.


Well they already know one default that comes from it, the clones age more quickly. So now if a clone and a 'not clone' get together and reproduce, I have a feeling something majorly would change in the DNA etc. with that species, and basically create a new... maybe look the same, but tons of things would be different, which is bad because we wouldn't know what the new animal is capable of, and... just, bad things.
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Yes, because if its, like, as bad as loosing 2 people then that would be like, crap, lol. i should know.. and as for emotional trauma well it will become less and less each day but if you consider, like me say, 2 of my friends died in ways I could have prevented, so basiclly it's my fault, so for people like that at least they can not have to think its there fault, just saying and no , by the way, I do not support resurection.


It's not your fault if they died, I'm sure. I'm one of the people who like to think theres a reason behind everything, so I basically believe everything happens for a reason. Like death, with cloning, people start to think that they could stop the ageing process and never have to die, because they could take the cells and organs from that cloned thing and put it into a non-cloned person who needs it, which is murder, not to mention VERY hypocritical, and that person will HAVE to die, otherwise we'd have over population, famine, plauges, and 10xs more problems then we could ever think of. And yes, it would be like loosing 2 people, because the resurrected person, WOULDN'T be the person who died, you could MAYBE bring back the body, but not the soul... and thats the same with cloning, ITS NOT THE SAME SOUL! And whos to say that someone would want to come back even if it was the same soul? Bringing someone/thing back from the dead would be majorly selfish, impossible, and horrible.
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January 21st, 2008 at 05:56pm
Here's a couple of websites about Dolly the sheep, who was a clone born in 1997 and died (relatively young) in 2003. This is so far the furthest that cloning has been successful but questions have been raised about her shortened life, and very early onset of arthritis.

The Science Museum page

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1)How far is too far? too far in my opion will be never cuase we can't limit ourselves
2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree? yes, when you its your time to go no matter how much someone hates that
3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned? no
4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people? no, we have enough people already
5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe? no
6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original? no
7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?no
8 Do you think we will successfully resurrect people? no
9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed?most likely alittle rotten
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3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?

Yes, it was made differently but it's more real and natural than some of the other things on the market these days.

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people?

Maybe, but testing would be very risky because of things that happened to cloned animals and problems they ran into.

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?

No, I think animal cloning is fine because farmers can do things like clone an award winning chicken and get better quality meat, but cloning humans doesn't seem to have any great benefits (please correct me if I'm wrong) Also, as said above by illustrated_romance; "we have enough people already"

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original?

No, it may look the same, but it would be raised completely differently than the real person. It would be raised in a different time with different parents, techniques, enviorment and stuff. It may have similar inbitions or traits, but how you are raised and who you are raised with really creates you.

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?

Maybe, if they can master it in animals first. Even if they do, so many people will be against it that they may not.
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1)How far is too far?

I think if something can be done, then t should be done. Just not necciserally for the selfish reasons people tend to think up first.

2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree?

Unless that person wanted to live longer. Like, I don't think a five year old is quite ready to die yet. It should be entirely the person's choice though. It shouldn't be done if it is someone else who wants that person alive again.

3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?

Yeah, I really don't see what the difference is. If it's been approved, then it's obviously not dangerous, so i don't really see a problem

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people?

Probably not. The world would go to shit. Imagine a murder case. It would be impossible to solve if a clone or the original person had commited it. Therefore, so many murderers would walk free

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe?

Like i've already said, i highly doubt it would be safe. Even if they didn't commit crimes, it would still be rather confusing. You woudln't know which one you were talking to. Cloning can only be done physically. The brain would be different because it would have different experiences.
However, cloning a body for organ donation, i don't see a problem with. people say it's murder to kill the clone, but not if you don't give it a brain, if you think about it. Is it murder to kill a brain dead person? It's sorta the same thing really.

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original?

Like I just said, no, beacuse the brain would be different with their different experiences

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people?

One day, yes, most likely.

8 ) Do you think we will successfully resurrect people

Probably. Eventually

9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed?

Depends how far science goes. At first they would probably be decayed, but as science progressed they would probably be able to restore the body. Who know? Science might not be able to go that far
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January 28th, 2008 at 07:29pm
1)How far is too far? --->I believe that anything past what we need for survival is too far. Such as colonizing the moon. There's no need for that, unless Earth is deemed unsafe, which I don't see happening. Humans shouldn't play God.
2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree? ---> I honestly don't think it's scientifically possible to bring the soul back from the afterlife but if it was than that is selfish and, again, humans would be playing God, which is dangerous in the long run.
3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned?----> No, not at all. I am against cloning in the first place and the thought of eating something engineered artificially disgusts me.
4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people? ---> It could be "safe" but I don't see the point in doing so and am, again, against cloning.
5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe? ---> Of course not. It would be a waste of time and money.
6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original? ---->I honestly don't know. Maybe looks, but most likely not personality.
7)Do you think people will successfully clone people? ----> I'm sure they will.
CoolDo you think we will successfully resurrect people? ---> Their bodies, maybe. Just maybe. But no souls would inhabit the bodies they "resurrect"
9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed? ----> I don't see how they could magically poof back the way they did, so most likely decayed.
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January 30th, 2008 at 03:33am
Very interesting questions

1)How far is too far? ---> Don't know dear. 3 years ago putting sm1's embarassing moment on YuuTube was 'too much' but now its acceptable. Think of it in that context.

2)I totally resent the concept of resurrection, and think it would be selfish to keep someone past their time. Do you agree? ---> Probably up to the individual. Personally I'd give my consent if u promise I'll be whole and not some half-alive thing that is an insult to the person i was. & if it didn't hurt my loved ones.

if that comes true, though, humanity will have to impose some sort of limited breeding rule to prevent overpopulation (frm ppl overstaying their time on earth).

3)The FDA has approved foods made from cloned animals. Would you eat something if you knew it was cloned? ---> doesn't taste different, does it?

4)Do you think it would be safe to clone people? ---> ask a biologist. i hv no idea. Razz

5)Do you think it is a good Idea to clone people even if it is safe? ---> ooh hmm, that depends. it's a big enuf question for a whole new thread, IMHO.

6)Do you think a clone would be EXACTLY the same as the original? ---> smhow i suspect the early stages would a complete disaster. o_O haha

7)Do you think people will successfully clone people? ---> i wouldnt put anything past the human race. & thats the truth.

8. Do you think we will successfully resurrect people? ---> see above answer

9)Will their bodies look like they did when they died, or will they be decayed? ---> i'm thinking we might look smthing like Helena did in the video: all there, but rather....pasty-looking LOL