MCR march

ChipmunkOnKetamine:

what good would money have done? it's like saying that she was worth a certain amount, she had a monetary value. It reduces her to an item again. The family doesn't need money any more than when she was alive. I don't think it is right for people to profit from someones death, even if it is the family. I mean if they wanted to set up some sort of suicide prevention, or bereavement charity, then people could raise money, but just to give someone money because someone close to them died? In that case, I deserve money, just about everybody in the world deserves money.

thanks for the spelling btw

Funeral costs, therapy if needed, other costs. Out of kindness, not because they deserve it.

From what i heard, there were 40 who stayed outside the Daily Maill headquarters but over 100 at Marble Arch. Sadly, lot's of the people who would march were too young to go into central London on their own.

EDIT: Just spoken to Jenny who was there (one of the organisers) she reckons there were about 180 there.

I think that instead of marching for this reason, people should be marching for a more important cause, like racism or poverty.
This will just give more people the impression that we're a "suicide cult".
And when people say we're an army, not a cult; it just makes it sound like we're a bunch of weirdos :/

I still don't understand how music [or a specific band] can "save your life".
Maybe if you had met them, or actually spoken to them, I can sort of understand. But you hear so many people that are all like "MCR saved my life."
What? Did they come to you and tell you not to kill yourself?

Their music can put you in a good mood, but if you're depressed enough to kill yourself, you need real help; from people who can sit down and talk to you.
I love My Chemical Romance for their music, but I would never say that they saved my life. I love TAI and FOB even more than MCR, and I wouldn't say that they've saved my life either. Music can brighten my day, but wouldn't stop me from hanging myself if I was ever in that situation.
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And I think that it has been established that the point is, if you think people should march for a "more important" reason (AIDS, violence, racism, poverty, keeping the McGriddle ) then by all means get off your tushie and put together a march for it. Don't sit around telling others what to march for. If those causes are as important to you as this cause was to these girls, talk to them and get some how-to's because they just pulled off one hell of a great protest.

Look at how divided we are against our own. How quick we are to judge others and tell them that they aren't good enough -- that their ideas are misguided and not important enough, that they are young and immature for reacting in a perfectly legal way against something they feel strongly about. And just remember, when you put together your own march against whatever cause, a thousand people are going to tell you that you should have marched for something that *they* think is more important than your cause. Would you want all those people telling you that you are wrong and that your cause is not important? Or would you want them to encourage you and hope for the best for you and support you because at least you did *something*?

They just made a difference. Their voices were just heard by millions.

It makes me feel small, knowing I've never done anything that impactful.

What are you going to do now? Continue to berate them? Or get off your butt and do something? Or maybe, just maybe, you can at least just see the good that they did, and be happy for them, instead of trying to cut them down for what they *didn't* do. Because they just did more than any of us ever did -- and for that, I am insanely, amazingly proud of them.

Adam T. Siska:

I still don't understand how music [or a specific band] can "save your life".

There's a meditation in my yoga book called Faith Over Fear.(Ref. = ' A Girl Goddess's Guide to Yoga' by Evan Cooper heh, ya, I was into yoga last year) Where basically, you just choose a song, any song, (usually one that you can relate to most or w/e) and you speak the words, chant the words, or sing them. Just use your voice, and sing the lyrics loud and strong. Basically your supposed to sing so loud that it drowns out your fears and eases built up stress. And, yoga can be a great way to relieve stress and built up emotions, sometimes even psychologists will tell people to do yoga because it can help. Anyways, basically what I'm getting at is the point that singing or chanting a song with positive lyrics can help drown out fears and stress (which are two of the main things that can cause depression) and that it has been proven to work, and though it doesn't matter what song you want to sing, you can sing other songs then just the ones by MCR, really, but I'd assume a lot of the fans on here listen to MCR (and My Chem does have some very positive, anti-suicide lyrics, so that helps also), but just singing a mere song could help ease stress and comfort suicidal thoughts. So in a way, it could save someones life (for added note: they have never saved my life, I didn't ever really get to the point where it needed to be saved) or very well at least help with depression. But yes, I DO believe that people who are that depressed and are having suicidal thoughts should go and see a psychologist. And whether someone believes in yoga or thinks its a bunch of weirdo jumbo whatever, at least its some food for thought. ( and this isn't necessarily directed at you, just trying to put this in there, so yeps. )

Anyways, this discussion isn't about that. Its about the march. The march wasn't just about MCR being called emo by the Daily Mail, thats just the basis of it and what started the protest. Its more about the papers fail to do research and the paper basically promoting stereotyping and bullying and just calling people who would normally REALLY BADLY need to get help emo. The march was a protest against suicide and, well, I'm not really going to get into deep meanings here, but a lot more can be interpretated with the protest then just the fact thate we are protesting the daily mail for calling every MCR fan a part of a 'suicidal cult', whether most people will read deeper into it, depends on the person, I guess.

psychochip:

And I think that it has been established that the point is, if you think people should march for a "more important" reason (AIDS, violence, racism, poverty, keeping the McGriddle ) then by all means get off your tushie and put together a march for it. Don't sit around telling others what to march for. If those causes are as important to you as this cause was to these girls, talk to them and get some how-to's because they just pulled off one hell of a great protest.

Look at how divided we are against our own. How quick we are to judge others and tell them that they aren't good enough -- that their ideas are misguided and not important enough, that they are young and immature for reacting in a perfectly legal way against something they feel strongly about. And just remember, when you put together your own march against whatever cause, a thousand people are going to tell you that you should have marched for something that *they* think is more important than your cause. Would you want all those people telling you that you are wrong and that your cause is not important? Or would you want them to encourage you and hope for the best for you and support you because at least you did *something*?

They just made a difference. Their voices were just heard by millions.

It makes me feel small, knowing I've never done anything that impactful.

What are you going to do now? Continue to berate them? Or get off your butt and do something? Or maybe, just maybe, you can at least just see the good that they did, and be happy for them, instead of trying to cut them down for what they *didn't* do. Because they just did more than any of us ever did -- and for that, I am insanely, amazingly proud of them.

Exactly.

This right here is absolute proof of the saying "no good deed goes unpunished". All the protestors just made a difference, no matter how "small" and "unimportant", and all some people can do is sit behind their computer screen and bash them by saying that they should have done this and this and that. At least they did something, which is a whole hell of a lot better than doing nothing at all. Furthermore, this was people standing up for what they believed in and what they thought was important, which takes a lot of courage (particularly on the part of the organizers). Just for once, can't you people be happy and proud of them for the difference that they made? How is bringing them down bettering the world at all? It's not. You want to help a cause, do as Tabs said and go make your own protest; don't just sit and complain about one that someone else made.
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Adam T. Siska:

I think that instead of marching for this reason, people should be marching for a more important cause, like racism or poverty.
This will just give more people the impression that we're a "suicide cult".
And when people say we're an army, not a cult; it just makes it sound like we're a bunch of weirdos :/

I still don't understand how music [or a specific band] can "save your life".
Maybe if you had met them, or actually spoken to them, I can sort of understand. But you hear so many people that are all like "MCR saved my life."
What? Did they come to you and tell you not to kill yourself?

Their music can put you in a good mood, but if you're depressed enough to kill yourself, you need real help; from people who can sit down and talk to you.
I love My Chemical Romance for their music, but I would never say that they saved my life. I love TAI and FOB even more than MCR, and I wouldn't say that they've saved my life either. Music can brighten my day, but wouldn't stop me from hanging myself if I was ever in that situation.
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Yeah this is one of those concepts i never really understood. logically i cant see my chems music doing anything but putting people in a good music.
thats probably as far as i think it goes.

^ it makes 'one' (not just me) feel like there is someone else out there that feels just as shit as 'one' does. It makes you realize that there is hope for you, and you don't have to end it all now. And if it does that by putting you in a good mood, then it is still helping. Happy people don't kill themselves (and I mean properly happy, not a mask. You have to have negative feelings to want to die)


I think the reason why there were so few people partly has something to do with the fact that at the same time there was party on the tube. It was the last day drinking was allowed on the tube, so lots and lots of people just went down, and got completely smashed, and just trashed the tube. Unfortunately, alcohol comes first for a lot of people. Especially if it is free

^but what if you don't want to be told that there is something wrong with you? Then you aren't going to try to go to therapy. What if you don't want people to know what goes on in your head? Then you wont be able to fund therapy. You can't replace therapy, but if music makes you feel better, then it might be the best you have.

One of my friends went into therapy for her psychosis and now she's anorexic and cuts herself frequently and apparently (I don't know, I haven't witnessed it myself) one of the only things that calms her is watching the movie Fight Club.
So I personally don't believe therapy is the best thing in some cases.Or maybe certain types of therapy. All I know is that she spent 3 months in an adolescent psychiatric ward and came out worse off.
But that isn't what this is about.

The march has had alot of positive feedback and alot of the things I've read haven't involved the word 'emo' aside from when it mentioned what DM said. The only really negative stuff I have read about it was on foreign sites. I don't think the media has turned it into anything more negative than it was, as some people predicted it would, if anything, it came across fairly positive.

Martha.Monster:

Here's A Video That Has Surfaced Of The March.
Thankyou To Whoever Posted It On Youtube First

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQjEd0xYD3A

maybe I'm an asshole but...

a quiet peaceful protest would have seemed more mature. professional.

easier to take seriously, imho.

I agree with a post above. saying things like "We're an army" and things like it are a bit creepy. I mean, I know the MCRmy is taken very seriously with it's members and fans, but honestly? People don't like the sound of an "emo cult" better than an "emo army".

Just saying.

Warning: this is an aside argument. It isn't a random tangent, it is relevant. However, this does not have to do with Hannah Bond. I am not asking if MCR fans enjoy being accused of causing suicide. Please read on.




Am I the only one who feels that most MCR fans inject themselves with indignance and outcast themselves? I'm saying that I doubt "emo" kids want to be accepted, that's why they set themselves aside in the first place. If they wanted to be accepted, they'd do what was socially and normally accepted and normal and listen to mainstream (though we can't exactly say MCR isn't popular) music. Blatantly protesting about being called a certain thing, but proving that you may be that certain thing is sort of self-inflicting behavior. So, the question I'm asking:

Do you think mcr fans enjoy being victimized in a sense, because they chose to set themselves on the stand as victims? Do they enjoy being "outcasts"?


I think so.

edit: If my post offends you and you want to know what I'm talking about, please say. I'll further elaborate.

ChipmunkOnKetamine:

^but what if you don't want to be told that there is something wrong with you? Then you aren't going to try to go to therapy. What if you don't want people to know what goes on in your head? Then you wont be able to fund therapy. You can't replace therapy, but if music makes you feel better, then it might be the best you have.

Well obviously you do need to be told if theres something wrong with you, why bother wanting to be fixed when you cant handle being told your otherwise. how can someone help you if you dont let them in.

MigRacer:

ChipmunkOnKetamine:

^but what if you don't want to be told that there is something wrong with you? Then you aren't going to try to go to therapy. What if you don't want people to know what goes on in your head? Then you wont be able to fund therapy. You can't replace therapy, but if music makes you feel better, then it might be the best you have.

Well obviously you do need to be told if theres something wrong with you, why bother wanting to be fixed when you cant handle being told your otherwise. how can someone help you if you dont let them in.

Have you never been embaressed about something? Scared? well, that's what it feels like. You want to be normal, I mean, how can you fit in, if you are mentally ill? and to be told that you aren't stops that 'fitting in'. It's hard to explain.

You want to fit with other people, but you react differently to the people around you. You notice that, and you try to find out on you own what's wrong, and through various means, you find a name for why, but obviously, because you did it yourself, you can't be certain. You need to see a professional to find if it is true. Now, part of you wants it to be true, because it gives it a name, a reason, and it says that you can get over it to a certain extent, but another part of you doesn't want it to be true, because then it means that there's nothing wrong with you, and you aren't a freak. But then, thinking that you are fine, makes it worse, because you realize you are going to feel like this for the rest of your life,a nd you don't want that.

I think that explains it...

lol