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| brandleys; Death Defying  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 186345 | My thoughts exactly. I'm not an alcoholic nor have I ever been, but with any addiction (drugs, self injury, porn, etc.) "monitors" can get in the way and make you super pissed. I completely understand what he was trying to say, even before I came here and read the opinions. Like I said before, as long as he's not trying to kill himself I don't care that he's drinking and I trust his judgement. None of us know him personally, so how can we know that it's not OK for him to drink again? |
| brandleys; Death Defying Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 186345 | Emilyy: Just as an FYI, most of the kids that their deaths were blamed upon did not kill themselves for MCR. Why would you believe what The Daily Mail said about the kids when everything they said about MCR was a lie? Don't believe me? Click here. And I believe he was just talking about the media saying they're a cult or whatever. I don't think he was talking about the kids- just the way the press viewed it. Emilyy: People's views and opinions change all the time. I believe he is OK now. He has the most gorgeous woman on earth as his wife, as well as a beautiful daughter, and plus he looks healthier than he ever did before. He's changed, and most people can tell that he is a lot happier than he was then. And since he's happier now, he can trust himself now. And remember- back in the day, his alcoholism was mixed with drugs. He's not doing drugs now. Emilyy: They've said a while ago that they're basically "done" with that. And while they still probably believe it in a way, I think they're getting into a different dimension of that, if you understand what I'm saying. However, that doesn't mean that their older work is meaningless. It's what they felt then, and you can't change that just because they don't feel that way now. Just because their newer material is happier does not mean in any way that they no longer care. Some people need more positive content in what they listen to, which is fine. I know I'm a happier person than I was when The Black Parade was released, so maybe that's why I understand it a bit more than some people do now. |
| Emilyy Awake and Unafraid  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 13084 | murder tramp;: Havent watched the video...but ....yeah i wasnt saying that i agree with the daily mail (god...if a day ever comes when i agree with the daily mail - you all have permission to shoot me) - i was saying that what he said in that interview sounds like hes only listened to the daily mail etc - which is all bullshit - and ignored all the fans who found hope etc in MCR and were influenced positively by that album. though i did word that crap - i should read what ive typed before posting...i guess i should have put '/sarcasm' after my sentence in my prev. post lol. i agree he was just talking about the media - and thats what bugged me about the whole interview - like, he didnt say a word about how fans have found hope in his music - all he said was he tried to help people and just felt punched in the face for doing so. surely, whatever bullshit the media throw out shouldnt matter, theyre just out for a story, something to sell, they say crap about people all the time, the only people whose opinions he should be caring about is us, the fans. (by 'complete opposite' in the quote i mean...opposite to what the daily mail said we did) and im really not bothered that hes not sober anymore, as he isnt like he used to be, hes changed, his life has changed. what bothered me was that he said it was important to everyone else over the years, but not to him.... like he didnt understand why it was important to everyone that he was sober... again: NOT BOTHERED THAT HES DRINKING AS IM SURE ITS UNDER CONTROL just think he should have instead just said that hes not like he used to and can control it...instead of saying he never saw the big deal in him getting sober.... murder tramp;: and i know theyre done with that...and know theyve changed etc....and i think its good....and i said earlier too: Emilyy: but when he said: “Hell no.” He pauses. “But that was a fun image to play with. Because even if you miss the mark, you’re probably gonna be a pretty remarkable person. Shoot for savior, and end up being rad.” that kinda sounds like a complete mockery of the entire message they did send out over the years - made me question the motive over why they did that all these years, whether gerard genuinely wanted to help people, or was just doing it to come out cool in the end. im sure, its not what was meant, and it just came out negatively in my head when i read it, but thats why i said that, not because theyve changed and no longer throw that message down our throats, but because of that line - was his motive to actually try and be everyones savior, or was his motive just to play with the image so to come off rad at the end? -- im feeling like everyone probably thinks im a bad fan now. and everyone probably thinks i care and have gone way to deep over this interview... my lifes not really changed that much after reading it despite how it looks lol. i love them as much as the next person, but i just got negative vibes from that interview, and im not gona pretend i didnt and pretend gerard came across amazingly in it just because im a fan... shocking as it is - the singer of our favourite band CAN say/do something wrong every now and then, so its okay to not agree 100% of the time. |
| brandleys; Death Defying Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 186345 | Emilyy: No harm done! Just wanted to make sure you knew. Emilyy: I do agree that they shouldn't pay attention to the press, but people were seriously going out of their way just to rag on them. They had a lot of shit thrown at them because of the press, which is hard to ignore. And a lot of people believed it, too, and made a big deal about it in person and online. Emilyy: I think he just meant that he doesn't see how it's important ~anymore. I do believe that it once mattered to him, and that it used to be a big deal. But he just doesn't see the point in being sober anymore now that he's in a good mental and physical state now. Emilyy: I accidentally deleted that when I was writing my reponse. Sorry about that. Emilyy: I do see what you mean here. Althought I don't remember what her post said, I do remember agreeing with what Lycia (fabulous killjoy.) said about this. I'm sure he didn't mean it that way, either, and it was just poor choice of words. I know I do this all the time. Hell, I might even be doing it now. Who knows. Emilyy: No, I don't think anyone would think you're a bad fan! Some people think I'm a bad fan for not worrying about it. Really, there isn't such a thing as a 'bad' fan if you think about it, with the exception of the kids who just want to get into their pants and disregard the fact that they're all married. But hey, whatever floats your boat, I guess. (Not saying that you do that, just that I know of people that do and I think it's sick.) There's nothing wrong with getting bad vibes from an interview. There's probably been a bunch of interviews I've read that I got bad vibes from. One thing I think that is causing people to feel that way, though, is that you can't hear the tone in his voice because it's written and not recorded (sorry I'm in a rush if that doesn't make sense.) Hearing the way the person says something can change the meaning DRAMATICALLY. There's nothing wrong with misinterpreting something. |
| fabulous killjoy. Moderator  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 46256 | and yeah. he's no savior. he was for awhile probably because he himself needed a savior but he's over that period in his life -a wise livejournal-er |
| punkchick18 Killjoy  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 54 | I've had a thew days to think about this and as far as the drinking goes , yes i still feel his being irresponsible and i'm pretty sure he has it under control but its funny because i was watching a performance from the gig they did in dortmund germany and i thought he was drunk cause he was slurring but i convinced myself he was just tired but now i'm starting to think and this was before the spin interview was released . I still think there's something wrong with his attitude , its like his bitter and angry from his experiences from TBP and his taking it out on us , its like Emilly said its like his not focusing on the thousands of kids he helped and his just focusing on what the press said and i feel like i'm being taken the piss out of with him making fun of that time , i mean come on Gerards not stupid if he was really thinking about the fans he has helped then he wouldn't of said such stupid things , the whole point of MCR apparently was to save lives and help kids who felt like outsiders , now ok they have grown up in the past 10 years and they don't think that way anymore but by the way Gerard takes the piss out of the past three albums makes me feel like a right dick for being inspired by them . At the moment i just feel like Gerard has walked right up to me and punched me in the face then laughed at me while looking down on me . |
| CrypticDrummer Killjoy  Age: - Gender: - Posts: 41 | I kind of agree with punkchick. It seems that every album Gerard has to insult the previous album and write it off as unimportant. He keeps bashing The Black Parade (which incidentally, if he didn't notice, broke the band internationally) instead of appreciating it as a part of the past. He clearly can't move on himself so he has to keep bringing it up. I love Gerard, but honestly, that dude doesn't know when to shut the fuck up. He just needs to shut his mouth and let the music speak for itself. There's no issue with him doing press and answering questions but enough of the back and forth shit. He needs to really just take a step back and let the music do the talking instead of blabbering on and on. It's fair for fans to be pissed about the whole "MCR will save your life" thing. Gerard acts like he didn't want that and that the fans came up with that, but he was the one who started it. Look at footage from Life On the Murder Scene where someone came to a show with a shirt "MCR saved my life" and Gerard responded by saying, "That's the whole fucking point of this." Same for Frank and the rest of the band. I think it's annoying that every album there's some new gimmick or story or profound experience the band is either dealing with or imposing upon others. As much as fans and Gerard may hate to admit it, it was the band that started a lot of the shit that they're upset about. The press and fans had a huge part in it, you can't deny that, but they need to take some responsibility for that. I think that's why Bob left. He said he, "Just couldn't take the divas anymore." I'm sure living with that for years and then dealing with that attitude while making an album wasn't easy on a guy who almost was not able to play drums again. I really wish they would all just grow up, make up, bring Bob back, and move the fuck on. It's annoying to see them acting like a bunch of babies. Much love to MCR...but they still have some growing up to do (as do a lot of bands). |
| brandleys; Death Defying Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 186345 | CrypticDrummer: Gerard Way has said in a few interviews that he'd like the music to speak for itself. But I don't really see what you're trying to say about that, really. Cause recently I haven't seen him talk about the meanings, but only when he's asked. The past records may seem unimportant to him just because it no longer applies to him, meaning he no longer feels the same way. He also isn't the only one bringing it up, because actually a lot of interviews keep asking them about it. So really it's the press that can't move on. I've also read the entire SPIN article and he wasn't acting like a douche in it at all. Like I said before, you can't ever tell what someone means if you're just reading wthat they said. You don't hear their voice or their tone, you can only guess. And about Bob leaving- I've read of a few people meeting Bob at Bamboozle, and them asking why he left. He always answered with different things. This is what was in the SPIN article: SPIN: |
| fabulous killjoy. Moderator Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 46256 | CrypticDrummer:He didn't say that officially. Someone just posted online and said that he said it. You don't know how they acted, you don't know if he really said that. Oh and TBP took a lot of shit out of them, writing recording and touring, it's no wonder why they don't think of it too fondly. You could tell it took a lot out of them by the end of the tour, especially when they didn't go almost immediately into the studio like they did after the Revenge tour. |
| punkchick18 Killjoy Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 54 | I still feel somethings not right , but that is just me and my opinion and i can't demand people agree with me cause i wouldn't want them to , i guess the comments that hurt the most were the one's where he said he thought if he wrote an album it would give the world hope and the world punched him in the face , correction the press punched him in the face , us fans well i found a lot of strength and hope in TBP and so did millons of other fans and i do wish they could realise that , saying this i got the impression from Gerard that the whole press thing didn't bother him as he had said in an interview he didn't take it personally but was more upset for the fans but then in a recent interview Ray was talking about how hard Gerard had took it especially when hannah bond killed herself , i was thinking to myself how can that not affect someone , it seems to me that Gerard presents himself as incredibly strong when he really is human , i mean his not superman , another interview in Kerrang made me get the same impression when ray said that Gerard kept ringing him saying he didn't know what to do with his life , ray even went as far to say that Gerard was very heartsick by the madison square garden show . This is whats been partly annoying me , Gerard puts this massive front on as if he really was not that bothered by it and cracks jokes and makes fun of it in an almost defensive manner and it doesn't make him look very good , where as the message i'm getting from ray is that Gerard was torn to pieces by the time they'd finished which helps me understand and sympathise with the fact that he just wants to get away from it all . When i think about the time i was very bad with depression and sucidal every single day i don't look back on it and laugh and think " for godsake girl you should have got a grip" because that was a part of my life and i don't hang onto it but i have excepted that that is what happened and it helps me to think " well i'm much better now " and its good cause if i'm slipping back into the habit of sitting around and not doing anything and feeling low i think " right get of your backside and do something" it helps me to control and watch out for that destructive pattern , with G all i've heard him do is make fun about how he was when he was younger , i mean don't deny your past , the trouble is you go through the bad time and then you come out the other end and then when you hear other people saying " i hate my life" or "i wanna die" you think oh for gods sake get a grip , but you have to remind yourself that just because your better it doesn't mean they are , i feel thats gerards main problem at the moment . |
| CrypticDrummer Killjoy Age: - Gender: - Posts: 41 | murder tramp;: Well, then we now know that Bob didn't "leave" the band. According to what SPIN said he was pretty much kicked out. I don't see how the drums Bob did on Welcome To The Black Parade aren't artistic and creative. I smell bull shit. Four days and they decide to kick him out? Whatever. It's Matt Pelissier all over again. It's their loss and I sincerely hope Bob finds a new band that will recognize and appreciate his drumming abilities. MCR doesn't know what they're missing. |
| Finnick Odair In the Cannibal Glow  Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 50222 | Where does it say kicked out? It says decided he should leave, as in by either party. According to you, he couldn't handle divas anymore, so isn't it more likely his decision if he didn't like the new direction and such? |
| x..touching_hands..x Really Not Okay  Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 730 | punkchick18: I understand what you feel, but you have to understand that sometimes people have taken too much of a kicking to be baring their soul to the entire world. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you were accused of being responsible for mass suicides it would burn you, no matter how much you tried to ignore it. He's trying to remove himself from having to be responsible for thousands of people because past events really pushed that weight on him. The fact that he is joking and taking the piss out of himself only shows how defensive he feels he has to be. I don't think he's trying to belittle the fans' experiences. Look how much effort he has put into involving us is the new album. He's trying to connect with us in a more positive way and I think that rather than trying to do our best impression of the people that ripped into them in the first place, we should try and understand that he's human and hurts and says stupid things and acts like an idiot sometimes, and it's fine, just like it's fine for anyone else. He's said pretty clearly that he put his heart and soul into The Black Parade and thought the message was clear and yet events have shown otherwise. If that was me, I'd be hurt, I'd be angry and I'd be embarrassed and I'd be kicking myself a little bit. But I would only have to do it in the privacy of my own room. If he is a saviour to you, that's amazing, truly. But we can't ask him to be that all the time for everyone, it's not possible. We can appreciate all the wonderful things that he is and this band are, however. I bet that he would prefer. |
| Finnick Odair In the Cannibal Glow Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 50222 | x..touching_hands..x: I agree, well said. |
| brandleys; Death Defying Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 186345 | Party_Chemicals: |
| Lovesick Melody. Bulletproof Heart  Age: 83 Gender: Female Posts: 25760 | I can't access the link, it's not loading, but I'll try say what I can from snippets of other posts. I don't get why people are getting so worked up about the whole 'punched in the face'. Sure TBP helped a lot of 'true' fans, there's no denying that. But when newspaper outright blames you for someone killing themselves, can you really blame how the band felt? If someone came up to you and said "Hannah Bond died because of you. It's your fault she's dead. If you weren't around, she'd still be alive." True or not, that's gotta carry a heck load of emotional stress with it, so I can totally see what he's trying to get across when he says that he felt like he got 'punched in the face'. Alcohol, everyone is making such a huuuuuge fuss about it. Gerard is a big boy who has a loving family and best friends around him nearly all the time. See how his very statement is so true even in this thread, everybody is so concerned about it and debating about it, but in the end it's not our choice to make. He's not saying "I'm gonna go out and get stinking drunk before every show", he just wants to know that he can have a casual drink with friends, and I don't see anything wrong with that. There is a real possibility he will relapse, but he's in a much better position now than he was back in TCFSR days, especially without the drugs. What he's saying is that the only reason he was adamantly sober was from pressure around him, not for his own personal health. I think it's great that the band wants to share their personal lives with the fans and talk about their kids and addictions, but that's all they're doing, sharing. They're not taking life advice and going to bend to the will of their fans. Of course I want all the guys to be well and healthy, but I don't have any control over it, and sitting here debating sobriety or not isn't going to change his decision. He's a big boy, he can deal with it. And I really don't see much point in people going around interviews and literally dissecting every word that the band says. Sometimes they make up answers on the spot and it doesn't always come out right, or maybe they even regret saying something in an older interview. What I'm saying is, don't sit here and cross examine everything each band member does, we're not here to be personal advisors, we're here to appreciate what they do. In the end, they are a band, and they make music, they shouldn't be expected to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders and be expected to 'save lives' at the same time. Don't put them under the microscope for every line that they say, they're human. Yeah, totally weird rant but... blah.  |
| mcrcrazedfan Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 2182 | |
| Finnick Odair In the Cannibal Glow Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 50222 | I think it's hilarious! Gerard said it would be funny---it's not a serious thing! XD |
| fabulous killjoy. Moderator Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 46256 | Oh Lero... I think it would be cool, tbqh. I love AI though, so... |
| My Name Is Mok Joining The Black Parade  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 191 | I love American Idol, so honestly, I'm all for this and hope it happens |
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