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LunacyFringe
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December 20th, 2009 at 01:31pm
^^ Believing in God does not mean that you dont believe in science. The Bible has never contradicted any scientific fact. It has contradicted scientific theory, but never anything that has been proven as fact.

You made a lot of different statements there, so ill try and sort through them one at a time. First of all how do you know that after death its just a big dream or reincarnation? Obviously its because you believe that to be true, but why is the afterlife being a dream, or humans being reincarnated something that is so logical, but the idea of Heaven is not?

Why is it that when the world was created, that Heaven couldnt have been created as well?
Lovesick Melody.
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December 21st, 2009 at 07:01am
LunacyFringe:

Why is it that when the world was created, that Heaven couldnt have been created as well?


But the thing is, I see no proof regarding 'heaven'. I apologize if my post goes a little in depth. I mean no offense.

While science cannot go back in time and document evolution, it has many pieces of evidence in support of it. A quick search on Google gets many hits with websites explaining this. These theories make logical sense and give us an explanation to many things we see today.

In regards to the creation of 'heaven', it is simply a matter of faith and this ties into my whole view of religion. I need proof in order to believe. I need to see evidence that verifies the idea of a certain belief. Therefore, because no proof exists of the biblical story with Adam and Eve, I do not believe.

I believe in the Big Bang theory. Sure, it has it's holes and it isn't foolproof, but scientists are getting there. Hey, just look at the efforts of the huge collider at CERN! ;D
But to the point, the Big Bang theory has evidence that supports it, as does evolution.
"Big Bang Theory - Evidence for the Theory
What are the major evidences which support the Big Bang theory?

*First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning.

*Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted.

*Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.

*Finally, the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins."

http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

So to sum it up, in asking me to believe in the creation of heaven when the world was created, you are asking me if I believe in God. Because no proof of God or any of the stories in the bible exists, I cannot say in full confidence that I believe in God. While science may have a lack of 100% evidence for certain things, they have a lot more then religion has.

I'm sorry, that wasn't particularly directed at you, it was just easy to put in context with your question. Smile
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December 21st, 2009 at 11:36pm
i believe in god. in a nonparticiapatory way. that is all
Lovesick Melody.
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December 22nd, 2009 at 05:35am
The Skeleton.:
i believe in god. in a nonparticiapatory way. that is all


Might want to try here.
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December 22nd, 2009 at 08:17am
wow...thanks. that left me with some things to think about.
Lovesick Melody.
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February 1st, 2010 at 09:20am

Umm... I'm not sure wether to take that as sarcasm.
What I meant was that your post had nothing to do with creation, but was purely about religion and therefore pointed you in the right direction.

I'd like to post a question to everyone. I'm not religious, but I'm quite interested to see any responses.
Could it not be possible for the big bang theory to occur by the divine power of God? Therefore it wouldn't be either the big bang theory or God's creation.
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February 1st, 2010 at 10:21am
That is a common argument, but I have trouble beliving it's anything more than another effort to further a religious agenda.
nervesplitter
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February 4th, 2010 at 08:07am
LunacyFringe:
^^ Believing in God does not mean that you dont believe in science. The Bible has never contradicted any scientific fact. It has contradicted scientific theory, but never anything that has been proven as fact.

You made a lot of different statements there, so ill try and sort through them one at a time. First of all how do you know that after death its just a big dream or reincarnation? Obviously its because you believe that to be true, but why is the afterlife being a dream, or humans being reincarnated something that is so logical, but the idea of Heaven is not?


Why is it that when the world was created, that Heaven couldnt have been created as well?
because our bodys leave but our souls are recycled into other living things the big dream is what our body does to give another person a chance to live
MCR_Charlie
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February 15th, 2010 at 10:52am
Lovesick Melody.:

Umm... I'm not sure wether to take that as sarcasm.
What I meant was that your post had nothing to do with creation, but was purely about religion and therefore pointed you in the right direction.

I'd like to post a question to everyone. I'm not religious, but I'm quite interested to see any responses.
Could it not be possible for the big bang theory to occur by the divine power of God? Therefore it wouldn't be either the big bang theory or God's creation.


I think that is possible, but I don't believe it. If that had happened, wouldn't there already be a theory?