Abortions.
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| Lights Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 2205 | The fetus is NOT fully developed. I hate it when there are abortion ads and it's an aborable 2 year old. I mean, that's not even legit! You're not killing a toddler. If there is a reason that a baby is aborted it's probably a good thing. The child may be in a dangerous situation (abusive spouse, parent, or relative), there may not be enough money to raise the child (would you like the child to suffer starving, or feel no pain being aborted?), the child could be conceived because of a rape (and who wants to look at their 3 year old and be reminded of that?), the child could be unwanted and therefore get neglected. Unless it's something that the girl does repeatedly because she doesn't know how to use a condom, I really think there is nothing wrong with it. I love a t-shirt that my sister has. front: I'm not the president's ho back: keep your laws off my body EDIT// Quote Actually, there are several physical signs of forced sex. But, you would have to come in directly after it happened to be able to prove it. If someone files a report directly after and it is proved to be true, then that is easy. But, it's never that easy is it? |
| Thug Life. Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 30 Gender: Male Posts: 1315 | ii do beleive in abortion but it depends on the circumstances if its somone whos not capable of taking care of a baby well fare enough. if it was a rape victim im whole heartedly support it i feel its wrong for a child to be brought into the world by such awful means. the mother would not love the child she could not love the child the child would embody everything she hated. with abortion i think the cut off should be before three months anything after is pure baby killing i thikn its disturbing the cut off for abortions has been raised too five months |
| xMari_Malicex Motor Baby  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 775 | "Week Six: The embryo is about 1/5 of an inch in length. A primitive heart is beating. Head, mouth, liver, and intestines begin to take shape. Week Ten: he embryo is now about 1 inch in length. Facial features, limbs, hands, feet, fingers, and toes become apparent. The nervous system is responsive and many of the internal organs begin to function." Source I just find it interesting how early those things happen. |
| Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner  Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861 | mrhelena: There are plenty of deserving children still waiting to be adopted. It's not fair to put a child up for adoption, and have it end up on the streets because of the overcrowded service. It's the woman's choice to do what she wants, but always using adoption as an excuse for then getting rid of the child, isn't all that logical. Not many kids are adopted. |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | mrhelena:Carrying a baby to full term and having it adopted out isn't always a viable option. As the person above me replied to your post, there are already far too many poor kids in orphanages, waiting to be adopted, and the majority of them never will be. My father-in-law was in an orphanage as a kid (his mother put him and his siblings there because their father was abusive - my father-in-law had both his legs broken as an infant, for example), and he was never adopted. He got kicked out onto the street at the age of fiften with no money, no job, no means of supporting himself, and turned to a life of crime. No way would I put my child in an orphanage in the hope that somebody might adopt them. But before that even happens, a lot of the time it simply isn't possible for a woman to be pregnant for nine months, then hand her baby over to such a service. Pregnancy is obvious after the first few months, and it can have a detrimental effect on a woman's lifestyle. She could get fired from her job and end up homeless or with no way to support herself - I myself was fired when my employers found out I was pregnant, because I was a 'liability'. I was working as a waitress in a restaurant, and my boss took me aside and said simply, 'If you trip or injure yourself and the baby is hurt, we're liable in a court case. Give us a call once the baby's born and we'll be glad to have you back, you're an amazing staff member.' Not that I would sue if I'd hurt myself at work, but they have to look out for themselves. I know other women who've lost their jobs because of morning sickness (and I was already starting to miss days at work or get sent home early because I was too sick to function) - not only is it not just 'morning' sickness (rather 'all day and all night' sickness for some women like me), but it can be so severe that a pregnant woman is bedridden for weeks or months on end. Then there's the fact that, in some jobs, women can't perform all the required tasks in the workplace because of their pregnancy - things like heavy lifting, standing up for hours on end, carrying things etc. All these factors combine to pretty much make pregnant women incapable of certain jobs - I know I could maybe do an office job where I'm sitting on my butt all day, but waitressing would never have worked out. Then you get the employers who fire pregnant women because 'they won't be back to work for a while, having a baby,' so they get rid of them quickly to hire new staff that isn't breeding. Also, what if a pregnant woman has children already? I wouldn't want to have an ever-growing belly around children who are perhaps old enough to know what's going on, then come home from the hospital with no baby - how do you explain to an intelligent child that there will be no brother and sister? At least with abortion, the fetus is terminated before anybody can visibly see you're pregnant, and you can continue on with your life as it is while grieving in private - and all women who abort grieve to some degree - it's only natural. In addition, the woman knows exactly what happened to the fetus, rather than always hoping and praying and wondering what happened to the baby she sent to an orphanage. That's another super-long post, but my point is that a lot of the time, adoption is not only more traumatic, but more detrimental to a woman's wellbeing. I personally don't support adoption at all. I would never hand over my child to somebody, and I feel that if a woman isn't capable of raising a child, or the circumstances in which it was conceived aren't pleasant (eg rape), then abortion should be their first choice. Adoption is only for morons who are in denial until it's too late to get an abortion, and therefore have no choice but to go through with the pregnancy. |
| deathwish Fabulous Killjoy Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 144 | mm It really depends on the situation. If they were raped they should have a choice but if it was just an accident then they knew from the start what could happen and they made the decision anyways. But overall i'm against it. A Baby is a person even if its only been in the mom for week. Its not right to kill a Person |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | deathwish: I've said it before and I'll say it again. The assumption that anybody getting an abortion is an irresponsible, promiscuous teenager is absolutely ridiculous. Granted, a fair majority of board members aren't even old enough to have had their first kiss, let alone been in an intimate relationship with someone, so I can kind of understand the narrow-mindedness I'm seeing in this thread and others around the place. That being said, I'd like to state my piece. Not every woman who has an unplanned pregnancy is being irresponsible, nor is the woman 'ignoring possible consequences' and just 'going ahead and having sex anyway'. Lots of women who terminate their pregnancies are in stable relationships, using protection properly, and it's not a simple matter of 'Well, if you know there's a slight chance of getting pregnant through sexual intercourse, don't have sex and then you won't need an abortion.' Adults, and a lot of teenagers, have sex. This is a natural human instinct, designed for procreation, but these days we have the option of taking measures to ensure that we can indulge in such activity without a child resulting from it. It's all well and good for people to say, 'Abstain if you don't want a baby,' but hell, if I tried to deny my husband sex on a regular basis, we'd end up divorced or he'd cheat - we're in a relationship and sex is a big part of that! You can't just cut off those primal urges, especially not when you're with somebody who you're committed to mind, body and soul. I happen to enjoy this part of our relationship as well, and telling me I'm a bad person for getting an abortion if we were using protection properly and still fell pregnant with an unplanned baby is nonsense. I have never had an abortion or an unplanned pregnancy (ours was sudden but not unwanted - we'd planned children but hadn't expected it to happen so soon), but then half of you people have never even had a serious boyfriend, let alone sex, so I don't feel you can make a statement like 'Don't want kids? Simple. Don't have sex, and if you do and you end up with one, don't be a coward and abort it.' Sure, it's easy enough to say that to teenagers who aren't in a position to be having sex really, but the vast majority of women who have abortions are grown, consenting adults who are in committed relationships and are being as responsible as they can be. It is absolutely narrow-minded to say, 'well if you didn't want a child you should have kept your legs closed,' because hey - adults have sex. Don't hate on them for it, it's natural, it's human, and it's fine to do so. And stop assuming that 'abortion' is synonymous with 'teenaged slut'. |
| ServeItInDrag Fabulous Killjoy  Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 122 | ^Well said hunni  I find it increasingly difficult to have an "adult" discussion on these boards as most not all are "teenies". Things arent always as black n white as ya think. I had a termination when i was 22yrs old,was in a relationship for 2yrs at that time. I didnt set out to trap anyone,the only person trapped here was myself. I ended up going against my own judgement in order to please my boyfriend an terminated my pregnancy at 6wks, altho i was bleeding heavily and may well have miscarried naturally. The feelings of loss and betrayal are/were overwhelming..Hindsight is a wonderful thing,if i knew then what i know now things would certainly be different. Im in my 30s now and i still bare the emotional scars,luckily i found the courage to dump my no good boyfriend,but not till i'd endured another 4yrs of emotional torture/abuse,calling me a murderer etc,when afterall it was him who'd virtually frogmarched me to the hospital.. But im lucky and i have a very loving family who dragged me thru the other end of my despair kicking and screaming  People shouldn't be so eager to judge others  |
| Go fuck yourself Devil's Got Your Number  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 37823 | i have to agree with yara and all you guys that said only if needed. i know that its the womans body, but if its not needed its just wrong. i mean someone gave you the chance at life, thats what the baby deserves couse if your using abortion as way out of taking responsiblty or as birth control. but if the women got raped, can't go through with it without serious problems the baby being mental or whatever the scenery is then it is okay. but there is alot of couples out there wanting a baby but can't have one while alot of slutty teenage girls are carelessly dumping their fetises |
| xMari_Malicex Motor Baby Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 775 | That's assuming that all babies go to an orphanage. There IS such a thing as open adoption, and many teenagers who get pregnant do it. As well as adults. It's the ability to CHOOSE YOURSELF the family the baby goes to, and then choose whether the baby will be able to contact you in the future or not. The families who can be chosen are couples who have usually been waiting for months, and years, to be qualified/varified by the adoption agency as a fit couple. |
| tallyms77 Killjoy Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 3 | i am prochoice. personally, a fetus is a parasite. it only lives as long as the mother provides. if she is not willing to provide she shouldn't have to, no matter what circumstances. |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | savedbymcr_2004:First off... God, I hardly know why I bother at times. Read the post I wrote above you. NOT EVERY WOMAN WHO CHOOSES TO ABORT HER FETUS IS A 'SLUTTY TEENAGER'. I wish people would just quit with this assumption and open their narrow minds. Besides, who are you to deem what is 'needed' and what is 'careless'? No two people or their circumstances are the same, so if a woman chooses to have an abortion, for whatever reason, that reason is fine by me and shouldn't be questioned. Maybe she can't afford it. Maybe she's not in a stable relationship. Maybe she's due for the promotion she's been working towards for the last five years, and to have a child now would destroy her career. Maybe she doesn't want to have children. Maybe she was raped. Maybe her partner isn't a suitable father figure. Maybe there's a history of genetic illness in her family and she doesn't want to run the risk of caring for a disabled child. There are so many more reasons, and none of them are my or your business. No abortion is a 'careless' decision. Counselling prior to the operation is mandatory, and trust me, these women grieve and feel guilt and pain just the way a mother would if her infant died of a fever or in a car accident. It's not a careless, 'meh' decision at all - it's horrific and unless you or someone you are close to has been there, you can't say a damn thing because you simply don't know anything about it. And referring to your point about ]plenty of childless couples out there'... well, why aren't the orphanages nearly empty already? Childless couples wanting a baby already have plenty of choice in the matter of IVF, adoption, surrogacy, etc. There will never be an end to the excess number of kids in orphanages and foster homes, and that number will rise as IVF technology becomes more successful. Therefore, if I fell pregnant and didn't want the child, I'd get rid of it rather than put it in foster care and just cross my fingers that some 'poor infertile couple' will adopt it. Chances are they won't. tallyms77:I'm totally with you on that one. I don't believe that a cancerous clump of cells has more rights than the woman it is latched onto and feeding off. If the woman is happy to allow that tumour to grow into a baby, then kudos. If the woman, for whatever reason, doesn't want to have a baby (and I wouldn't want a child of mine in an orphanage as an alternative to abortion, so abortion would be my ONLY option if I didn't want a baby), then she has every right in the world to terminate it without being vilified for 'not having a valid reason'. I'm sure her reasons, however stupid they sound to someone else, make perfect sense to her. And you're right, a fetus is essentially a parasite - it has no rights, while the living, breathing mother has all the rights. |
| Go fuck yourself Devil's Got Your Number Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 37823 | Cigarettes And Suicide: good pionts i guess i wasn't thinking about that. i guess i could never understand the pain those women go through mentally and physically |
| safafdsgfdhfj Shotgun Sinner  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 7468 | Abortion is wrong. Though there are a Few Cases when it has to be done, First off,A fetus is not a "Parasite" or a "Cancerous clump of cells" It's a life thats forming inside of it's mother. People keep these excuses in their minds,Saying it was only a fetus, Just a clump of lifeless cells,But it's untrue. Mothers who abort their children often find that they made the wrong descision. And feel guilt, and regret that they ever killed this innocent life that was coming together in her womb. A child is not a parasite.It is a human life. People don't understand that it is in fact Murder Ive seen many examples of just how brutal it is. Many of them could probably get me banned for posting, It's Brutal murder,Seeing the things ive seen would give you nightmares, Doctors who preform abortion have no regard for human life, It is graphic and desturbing,Not something you or anyone should put a CHILD through if not Completely needed. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | Kill The Bride!: You're absolutely right. A child is not a parasite, and children should never be murdered. But an embryo is vastly different from a child. It has no functioning brain and can feel no pain. An embryo only has the potential to become a child, and if a fully-grown, brain-functioning woman does not wish to carry that embryo until it does (if it does) develop into a human being, she should not be forced to. And the most common reported feeling after an abortion is not guilt, but relief. Because it certainly would be a relief to know that you do not have to carry to term something that could utterly ruin your future, not to mention nine months of your life. Oh and to be honest, I think Jesus would be a lot more upset about the millions of people dying completely preventable and miserable deaths all over the world due to genocide, hunger, AIDS, tuberculosis, or anything else rather than a tiny clump of cells (because yes, that's what an embryo is; not a child; a tiny clump of cells) that can't feel pain and doesn't know the difference. Also, I don't think anyone here supports partial-birth abortions except in the case of medical needs. |
| safafdsgfdhfj Shotgun Sinner Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 7468 | Fezzik: Yes,Of course there are a few situations where aborton is needed.as i said before. but if it's because you don't wan't to have to give up nine months worth of time in your life to bring a child into the world,then it's completely wrong,In cases of rape at young ages,yes,it is needed,But if a woman is old enough and wise enough to make the descision to abort this child,just because something happened to her then it's a wrong descision. it's not the childs fault,and adoption is always an option,even if the baby is going back and forth through familys (wich doesnt always happen) it's better than causing the death of a child. as far as a baby being a "clump of cells" this may be so,but it's not Just a clump of cells It is not lifeless,And it may not feel pain,but it is still a human life it has the potentual to be a living breathing child, that chance is taken away by abortion. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | Kill The Bride!: Do you want to give up nine months of your life to the physical hell that it sounds like pregnancy is, or the rest of your life to a child? Not in the future; right now. Do you? Probably not. A woman who has an abortion feels the same; the only difference is that she had sex and something went wrong. Should she be blamed for a condom that breaks or for the pill failing her? No, of course not; those things are out of her control. Should she be blamed for having sex? No, she shouldn't. Everyone has sex, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's part of a committed adult relationship. Why should she have to sacrifice her life for something she did not want that can't even tell what's happening, anyway? Yes, an embryo does have the potential to grow into a child, but it also has the potential to miscarry, or be born retarded or with a terrible disease or any number of things that can go wrong. A sperm and an egg cell also have the potential to be a living breathing child. But that doesn't mean masturbating or menstruating is murder. Also, as Cigarettes and Suicide pointed out, it's not always better for a child to put up for adoption rather than aborted before it's a child. Orphanages are overflowing as is and some kids get abused. Is that better than women terminating something that can't feel it and was never truly alive to begin with? |
| safafdsgfdhfj Shotgun Sinner Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 7468 | Fezzik: If i was faced with a descision like that,and it was either 1) Keep the child and give it the best life possible or 2) Abort the child and kill a baby because i couldn't take some pain and hard work. then yes,i would go through it "right now" Once again,As i said before,there ARE Some cases when it is needed. But it's nobodys fault but the mothers if the baby dies from abortion. Misscarriage(sp) is out of the mothers hands,it can happen to anyone,but at least they could say they tried,instead of running away from the life they made. Sex is meant for married couples, Teens who sleep around with any guy they like,make the wrong choice also. Marriage is a bond for life,And children are in most cases a part of marriage, A man and woman bringing a new life into the world and raising a Living and Breathing Child. The point is,A baby is a gift,not a choice. |
| Roonil Wazlib Motor Baby  Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 773 | Kill The Bride!: Preach it, sister! First Trimester (Don't clickers if your squeemish.) ^Cuz that doesn't look like human hands at ALL. (note my sarcasm... also, don't click if you get queasy easily...) |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | Kill The Bride!: Fact: one in four pregnancies ends in miscarriage. All these embryos had the potential to be a human life. Yes, these things happen and it's out of our hands, but still, think of all those poor, dead 'babies'. And sometimes a miscarriage is caused by something that essentially is the mother's fault - eating the wrong food, cleaning the cat's litter tray, exercising too much... do I ever see people outside hospitals chanting and vilifying mothers who accidentally 'kill' their babies? No. Everybody feels sympathy for them. I feel sympathy for women who get abortions - it's a huge decision that breaks their heart, but it's the right one for them. With reference to your 1) and 2) statements - nobody terminates a pergnancy because they 'can't be bothered'. Women get abortions because they can't afford to raise a child, their partner is abusive, they're not emotionally ready to support and raise a child, it's just not the right time in their life to be giving everything up for a demanding baby, etc. There are so many more reasons, but not one of them is 'Oh, I just don't feel like spending the next nine months being pregnant'. 'Babies' don't die from abortion. 'Babies' are what comes out of the womb after 30 weeks of pregnancy (and that's premature, full-term is considered to be between 38 and 41 weeks). The abortion cut-off is 15 weeks in some places (last time I checked, anyway). At this stage, no 'baby' exists. It's, as Fezzik and I have stated over and over and over, a clump of cells reproducing with a direction in mind. It can't think, or feel, or breathe. It is about as human as, say, a kidney - it does something if you allow it to, but at the end of the day it's just a lump of flesh. I've said it before, again and again. And now I'll say it to you. Not everybody who chooses to have an abortion is a promiscuous teenager. In fact, from what research I've done (which isn't by any means extensive, but bear with me) most pregnant teens keep their babies and make a go at parenthood. It's the adults, usually in committed relationships or married, that will put their hands up for an abortion if they don't feel up to the task - maybe their husband doesn't want kids. Maybe they already have children and can't afford to feed another one. Maybe they're both career-and-travel minded and don't want to give up their privileged lifestyle to cater to a child for the next twenty years. That being said, yes, teenagers shouldn't be shagging around as they please, but the vast majority of them don't. And if one (whether she be single or in a relationship) should find herself pregnant, she's more likely than an adult to make an attempt at being a mother. Yes, traditionally children are a part of marriage, but more and more couples in today's society are choosing to forego becoming parents to focus on their careers and lifestyle, and these people are much more likely to terminate an unwanted pregnancy than anyone else because a) it interferes with their goals and b) they can afford to get it done, rather than having to wait a while to scrape together the money, only to find it's too late and they have to go through with it. |
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