Abortions.

Girl next door:

Cigarettes And Suicide:

^ My post was not a personal attack or an insult. I wish you would stop thinking that calling someone's opinions or statements ridiculous is akin to resorting to such childish tactics as calling the posters themselves ridiculous.
I'm not trying to offend anybody, or get aggressive. I'm simply saying that the person should go do some research before posting such stupid things.

for one, i never said you were ridiculous or that it was agressive. it wasnt just for you either, this threads on thin ice, everyone has been breaking the rules, or am i the only one that actually read them? i wasnt being childish, i was pointing something out: you did make that insulting. it doesnt matter the comment, try to keep it civil.

for two, a mod would've done the same thing and the other comments have been hostile. it wasnt a personal warning to you, but to everyone.

Where in my post did I say that you were being childish? I didn't, at all. I was saying that there's a difference between calling something ridiculous, and calling someone ridiculous.
As far as I can see, nobody's broken the rules. People are here to state their opinions, and that is all I see being done. Nobody is calling anybody else names because of their beliefs, only arguing their points of view (which, of course, being a touchy subject, tend to differ from the next person's).

JustTara:

As a mother of 3, *I* couldn't do it...

Not trying to be antagonistic, but are you implying that a woman who has gone through the experience of having a child, is heartless or something along those lines if she chooses to terminate a pregnancy? I've got a daughter, who I love with every fibre in my being, but I know that if I was faced with a pregnancy I felt I couldn't continue with, I would choose to terminate it rather than take any other option. I mean, my daughter, my husband, the family I have right now would come before a potential child - if we couldn't afford another baby, I'd rather terminate than see both children, and my husband and I, suffer because of the financial sacrifices another child would entail. If I were to be pregnant with a disabled baby, I'd abort it rather than have my daughter suffer the injustice of having zero attention from my husband and I while we struggle to care for a handicapped child, and being made fun of in the playground and endlessly having to defend her sibling.

Like I said, not meaning to light a fire here, just wondering if you're implying that a person who has children, who chooses to terminate a pregnancy, isn't a 'good' mother.

JustTara:

As a mother of 3, *I* couldn't do it...

Not trying to be antagonistic, but are you implying that a woman who has gone through the experience of having a child, is heartless or something along those lines if she chooses to terminate a pregnancy? I've got a daughter, who I love with every fibre in my being, but I know that if I was faced with a pregnancy I felt I couldn't continue with, I would choose to terminate it rather than take any other option. I mean, my daughter, my husband, the family I have right now would come before a potential child - if we couldn't afford another baby, I'd rather terminate than see both children, and my husband and I, suffer because of the financial sacrifices another child would entail. If I were to be pregnant with a disabled baby, I'd abort it rather than have my daughter suffer the injustice of having zero attention from my husband and I while we struggle to care for a handicapped child, and being made fun of in the playground and endlessly having to defend her sibling.

Like I said, not meaning to light a fire here, just wondering if you're implying that a person who has children, who chooses to terminate a pregnancy, isn't a 'good' mother.[/quote]


I am just saying that what I know now about babies and being a Mom, I don't think that *I* could have an abortion.
With that said, I WAS faced with an unplanned pregnancy. When I got pregnant with #3 (while on the pill too) my husband was out of work, he had just been laid off. We had no health insurance and no income, plus it was to be my 3rd baby in as many years. I was scared and upset with myself. I was also thinking that it would be best to terminate the pregnancy. Obviously I didn't, and everytime I hold him, look into his eyes and he smiles at me, I know I made the right choice for ME.
Like I had stated before, havig 3 babies in 3 years will really do a number on your body. Add in the fact that I also had all c-sections and my body is shot. At the delivery of my last baby, the Dr even stated that another pregnancy would most likely result ina loss of the baby or the loss of my life due to a uterine rupture. I have had a tubal ligation, but even those are not 100% effective believe it or not. If I were to get pregnant again, I would have the hardest decision of my whole life to make. I would HAVE to abort the pregnancy.
So, for ME (unless it was medically necessary) *I* couldn't have an abortion. Does that mean that I want to take that choice away from any other women... no, not at all. It's your body and your life... your decision. I'm not gonna lie, I knew a lot of females who thought of abortion as a form of birth control. They had a few of them when they were younger (most still in high school) and now most of them have kids and regret having abortions. I guess what I mean by that is most of them really missed what they had given up before, once they held one of their babies in their arms.

It's a very important decision to make, and women I know may have made it in the past with out thinking it thru. They thought that once they had their procedure that it would hurt for a bit and then go away. They are not out right saying that they made a wrong decision (and neither am I), it was the right choice for the time, but 10-15 years later your heart may still ache because of the decision that was made.

^ Forgive me if I sounded like I was trying to start something... as you've probably seen, there are a fair few people around here who have quite black-and-white views on the subject, to put it politely, and to that effect, there are those that imply certain things when they say something.
I do agree with pretty much everything you just said, though - such a huge decision should only be decided by the individual in question, as only SHE knows what is the right decision for her, whether it be abort, adopt, or become a parent and give the child the best life they can. Only the mother can make that decision, and abortion should remain a viable option for the ones who know in their hearts it's the right choice for them at the time.

Cigarettes And Suicide:

^ Forgive me if I sounded like I was trying to start something... as you've probably seen, there are a fair few people around here who have quite black-and-white views on the subject, to put it politely, and to that effect, there are those that imply certain things when they say something.
I do agree with pretty much everything you just said, though - such a huge decision should only be decided by the individual in question, as only SHE knows what is the right decision for her, whether it be abort, adopt, or become a parent and give the child the best life they can. Only the mother can make that decision, and abortion should remain a viable option for the ones who know in their hearts it's the right choice for them at the time.

No, no, no... you didn't come across as a toublemaker... believe me I've seen worse LOL
And I agree with what you are saying.
I guess my bottom line is that even tho I wouldn't be able to do it (unless it was medically necessary) I don't want to take that right away from anyone else.

ok here is my opinion:

i think abortion is horrible. why should an innocent life be taken and a baby killed because someone else made a mistake?
Abortion is a guilty person killing an innocent person because that guilty person made a mistake.

The ONLY time i think it is okay is when the mother is in danger of death or serious injury if she goes through with it and tries to give birth. For example there are a lot of pregnancies in 3rd world countries, like Africa, where the mother is in horrible danger of losing her life if she tries to have the baby. That is the ONLY time it should ever be considered (even if i would never do that, i would rather take my chances)

somebody above said 'why would you deny anyone that choice?' i ask why would you deny the baby the choice to live?

this is just my opinion tho, u all r entitled to urs

Casimir Pulaski Day:

NotOkay22:

Its isn't fair to the girl, it wasn't fair that the girl was raped either, and it wasn't fair that she got pregnant. But she did, and she was. Life isn't fair, its as simple as that.

If you have the readily avaliable chance to make part of life fair, why on earth would you deny that to somebody? It's not the dark ages, things aren't just the way they are anymore. We don't live in a reactionary population...

Life will NEVER be fair, no matter what happens.

I despise abortion, and I would love to see it done away with completely... HOWEVER, I think it needs to remain legal.
No matter what, some women will refuse to admit adoption is an option, and if it's illegal, they will get an abortion done in a chop shop. Not only will the baby be murdered, but so will the woman.

There is no need to stop a human life from happening, it's not like a woman who gives birth ABSOLUTELY MUST raise the child.

There are many reasons to stop something from living, as long as we arn't taking babies and slaughtering them.I don'y feel like repeating myself. Read back on the thread.

EDIT!
Im actually getting a tattoo of a coat hanger abortion just to protest anti abortion activists. Not like "Haha! That's funny", but "This is what your asking for guys" sort of thing.

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

There are many reasons to stop something from living, as long as we arn't taking babies and slaughtering them.I don'y feel like repeating myself. Read back on the thread.

That's basically what is happening.

I agree with EeVie... the only time it's okay to end a life is when either the mother is risking death or the child will be born either dead or seriously diseased.
There is no other good reason to say "I've decided you aren't good enough to live."

It wasn't technically alive to begin with. Please tell me you have some idea of a first and second trimester baby's physiology.

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

It wasn't technically alive to begin with. Please tell me you have some idea of a first and second trimester baby's physiology.

Technically being the key word.


And yes, I have studied abortion and the facts that make it controversial.

So regardless of the fact that is has not formed a brain, can't feel pain, has no memories, etc, it's wrong?

Haha..and you eat plants....

There is probably some irony in that.

Im a sick jerk.

^ -.-

weither or not it has a brain, weither it feels pain or not, weither it has memories or not (i dont know why thats even here) i still believe that 'clump of cells' as a human. sorry, what i believe.

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

So regardless of the fact that is has not formed a brain, can't feel pain, has no memories, etc, it's wrong?

Haha..and you eat plants....

There is probably some irony in that.

Im a sick jerk.

Yes, it is.
You are denying an innocent being a chance at life.
That is wrong.

My being a vegetarian has anything to do with this how?
The fact that I am against murder to any living creature and against the denial of life to an innocent being is ironic because I don't eat meat?
Ooooookkkkkaaaayyyyy.
That has absolutely nothing to do with anything, so yeah, I'm not even gonna acknowledge vegetarianism and pro-life having anything to do with eachother now.

No, it's irnoc because what I described was in all essance, a plant. If you are ok with killing a plant, that has already has life, and communicates in it's own way.

Why is it wrong to stop something from being born with the same functions as that plants you find it moral to consume.?

Just a random thought. I will open this one to anyone.

Grains are not and never will be a living creature.
A plant does not have the potential to be the next Martin Luther King Jr.
A plant and a fetus are nowhere near the same thing.


Also, eating is necessary for survival. Denying a life is not.

XD do I have to go on my population rant again?

I don't care how many superbabies could have come from abortions. Chances are, they will almost all be average people taking up space. Werm't you the one that said that we are overpopulated anyway?

& sometimes, the quality of life overrides the life. abortion helps the quality of women's lifes and destroys a bump in their life;s road. (in most cases)

grain isn't alive, but one doesn't just survive on grain.

Humans are overpopulated, that does not mean we should deny life of a human or murder humans.
It means that the powerful governments need to stop trying to get rich and start trying to help people.

"sometimes, the quality of life overrides the life. abortion helps the quality of women's lifes and destroys a bump in their life;s road. (in most cases)"
That is the most selfish, greedy thing I have ever heard.
For a woman abused by her husband, killing him may improve her quality of life because there is no chance he will ever hurt her again. Is that okay?
Also, more often than not, women who get abortions end up either developing depression, bipolar disorder, or other mental disorders... or it becomes a huge part of their life.
For a woman to say "I'm more important than this life, so I can decide that it doesn't have the right to live," is selfish, sick, and greedy.

"one doesn't just survive on grain."
Nor did I ever make that claim.

If the baby was already alive and born, it would be different, but abortion isn't murder, it's just stopping life from beginning. Your example of a wife killing a husband wouldn't even copare, because that would involve ending a life that has already began: someone who has spent time on earth and developed a brain, feelings, memories, whatever.

Stopping the possibility of life is a far cry from slaughtering a grown man.

More often then not?
That's a catchy statistic
Because I have always heard it was a minimal risk. Personally, I have never met someone who had developed any problems after an abortion, and I know a lot of women who have "immorally terminated their clumps of cells"

But that's just me. Maybe you know a bunch of people who have.

Either way, the woman knows what she's getting into. at least it's her choice.