Abortions.

Abortion is the ultimate denial of human rights. Plain and simple.

I used that example because you said that the quality of life overrides the life itself. Therefore, it would apply.

Denying the right of life is denying the right of life. Plain and simple.

Actually, yes, I do. There is also a lot of research that shows that.

"at least it's her choice."
A selfish choice that denies life to an innocent being.
It is someone's choice to smoke crack, it is someone's choice to shoot a gun, it is someone's choice to do ANYTHING.
That doesn't make it okay, simply because it's a "personal" choice does not make it okay to deny life to an innocent being.

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

Humans are overpopulated, that does not mean we should deny life of a human or murder humans.
It means that the powerful governments need to stop trying to get rich and start trying to help people.

"sometimes, the quality of life overrides the life. abortion helps the quality of women's lifes and destroys a bump in their life;s road. (in most cases)"
That is the most selfish, greedy thing I have ever heard.
For a woman abused by her husband, killing him may improve her quality of life because there is no chance he will ever hurt her again. Is that okay?
Also, more often than not, women who get abortions end up either developing depression, bipolar disorder, or other mental disorders... or it becomes a huge part of their life.
For a woman to say "I'm more important than this life, so I can decide that it doesn't have the right to live," is selfish, sick, and greedy.

"one doesn't just survive on grain."
Nor did I ever make that claim.

Murder humans? Since when is a few cells a human?
People have abortion for different reasons, it's pretty closed minded to say only people who might die in the process of birth should be able to get them.
Money is a factor, having a baby in you for 9 months, isn't free. Extra food, bigger clothes for you ect. And giving birth to it is hardly much fun either.

And adoption, sure, the woman could. But, if so many people wanted kids from these places, they's be empty wouldn't they.

Pregnancy can have adverse affects on a woman as well as abortion.

I think though, you can never know untill you have been in a situation like that. It's very easy to say that you would never get an abortion, no matter what. But, if you found out you were a couple of weeks pregnant today, could you truthfully say you would not even consider abortion?

Simple and Clean:

Money is a factor, having a baby in you for 9 months, isn't free. Extra food, bigger clothes for you ect. And giving birth to it is hardly much fun either.

Those are terrible reasons to end a potential life.

i believe that it is truly a womens decison whether or not she has an abortion.

for it is her who would have to carry the baby if she did not.

it is part of her body and therefore gives her the right to choose what happens to it.

whether the mothre decided to or not it will always have a big impact upon her life.

she should be allowed to decide alone and only be given help when she asks for it.

of course some people abort for stupid reasons in which case they regret it, but they come out of it a stronger person and learn from their mistakes.

each indivdual case is different so there is no general abortion/ no aborion rule that should be applied.

it could be the lesser of two evils, or more evil. but it is there life the should luve it as freely as they can, the goverment controls us enought without fellow citizens passing judgement and making people feel worse then they already do.

LabelxDeathxOnlyxDefense:

So if a 12 year old girl is raped by her father, she has to have the baby and raise it? Or she can always put it up for adoption or in a foster home so it can be moved around like the common cold. Then the child can suffer from serious mental and physical issues because it is inbred. There's a solution.

Has to? No.
Should? Yes.
Has to raise it? Not at all.

Several of my friends have been adopted, and none of them have been "moved around like the common cold."

It's okay to deny the right to live if the child will be born with disabilities?

obscured.:

Those are terrible reasons to end a potential life.

That's the key word. Potentual. Every time you use contraception, you're not letting a potentual life form right?

Therefor, I think aborting a clump of cells is not morally wrong.

Simple and Clean:

obscured.:

Those are terrible reasons to end a potential life.

That's the key word. Potentual. Every time you use contraception, you're not letting a potentual life form right?

Therefor, I think aborting a clump of cells is not morally wrong.

Using birth control does not abort anything.
Using a condom does not make it so that a life will never form.
It is simply being responsible and making it so that if you do choose to have sex, you will not be at as high a risk.
There is a HUGE difference in denying life and putting on a condom.

Simple and Clean:

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

Humans are overpopulated, that does not mean we should deny life of a human or murder humans.
It means that the powerful governments need to stop trying to get rich and start trying to help people.

"sometimes, the quality of life overrides the life. abortion helps the quality of women's lifes and destroys a bump in their life;s road. (in most cases)"
That is the most selfish, greedy thing I have ever heard.
For a woman abused by her husband, killing him may improve her quality of life because there is no chance he will ever hurt her again. Is that okay?
Also, more often than not, women who get abortions end up either developing depression, bipolar disorder, or other mental disorders... or it becomes a huge part of their life.
For a woman to say "I'm more important than this life, so I can decide that it doesn't have the right to live," is selfish, sick, and greedy.

"one doesn't just survive on grain."
Nor did I ever make that claim.

Murder humans? Since when is a few cells a human?
People have abortion for different reasons, it's pretty closed minded to say only people who might die in the process of birth should be able to get them.
Money is a factor, having a baby in you for 9 months, isn't free. Extra food, bigger clothes for you ect. And giving birth to it is hardly much fun either.

And adoption, sure, the woman could. But, if so many people wanted kids from these places, they's be empty wouldn't they.

Pregnancy can have adverse affects on a woman as well as abortion.

I think though, you can never know untill you have been in a situation like that. It's very easy to say that you would never get an abortion, no matter what. But, if you found out you were a couple of weeks pregnant today, could you truthfully say you would not even consider abortion?

I was referring to a few things with that.


"Money is a factor, having a baby in you for 9 months, isn't free. Extra food, bigger clothes for you ect. And giving birth to it is hardly much fun either."
Greed.
Pure greed.
"I don't have enough money to put a baby up for adoption, so I'm just going to decide it won't ever live!!! Yay me!"

"And adoption, sure, the woman could. But, if so many people wanted kids from these places, they's be empty wouldn't they."
So you're against adoption?
There are so many adoption agencies in every single state that in order for them to be empty, probably every resident of the state would have to adopt at least one child.
The fact that not every resident of the state wants to adopt does not mean a woman should deny a life.

"Pregnancy can have adverse affects on a woman as well as abortion."
Yes.
That was never denied.
Another selfish reason.

"But, if you found out you were a couple of weeks pregnant today, could you truthfully say you would not even consider abortion?"
Yes.

obscured.:

Simple and Clean:

Money is a factor, having a baby in you for 9 months, isn't free. Extra food, bigger clothes for you ect. And giving birth to it is hardly much fun either.

Those are terrible reasons to end a potential life.

I don't think so. The medical costs of having a child: not even RAISING it is enough to bankrup someone without money.

Personally, my prioritys of life are that the living deserve life first: possible life are second to that.

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

obscured.:

Simple and Clean:

Money is a factor, having a baby in you for 9 months, isn't free. Extra food, bigger clothes for you ect. And giving birth to it is hardly much fun either.

Those are terrible reasons to end a potential life.

I don't think so. The medical costs of having a child: not even RAISING it is enough to bankrup someone without money.

Personally, my prioritys of life are that the living deserve life first: possible life are second to that.

Greed is a terrible reason to deny life.
Money is not a good enough reason to say "I've decided you aren't worthy of living!!"

Also, the law states that abortions are legal up to 24 weeks.
There have been cases of premature birth as early as 19 weeks, with a living, breathing infant with a brain.
The priority of that child's life comes second to the life of a woman who doesn't have enough money?

It is the mother's choice, I'm totally against abortions thought.
You're killing a living human being!

Diana_a7x:

It is the mother's choice, I'm totally against abortions thought.
You're killing a living human being!

You're denying a potential life.
Sometime between eight and sixteen weeks, an embryo becomes recognizable as a pre-human, with many features of an infant exhibits when born.
Abortion is legal into the twenty-fourth month.

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

Diana_a7x:

It is the mother's choice, I'm totally against abortions thought.
You're killing a living human being!

You're denying a potential life.
Sometime between eight and sixteen weeks, an embryo becomes recognizable as a pre-human, with many features of an infant exhibits when born.
Abortion is legal into the twenty-fourth month.

So you support it?

I found this text and these pictures on http:..patterico.com:
Six weeks:
http://patterico.com/images/6weeks.jpg
By the end of the week, your baby will be between 8-11mm, crown to rump. At this stage, the brain is clearly visible, as well as the gonads which are developing into either testes or ovaries.

The digestive system continues to develop. The anus is now formed and the intestines are growing longer. Bone formation starts this week; elbow joints and toe rays will now start to be visible. Your baby’s fingers and toes are just beginning to form this week and the arms can now flex at the elbows and wrists.

In addition, more facial developments are happening, including the formation of the tip of the nose and the upper lip. Flaps of skin over the eyes have begun to shape into eyelids. As well, blood begins to flow through a rudimentary circulatory system, while the digestive tract continues to grow, especially the intestines. And if this isn’t enough for one week, spontaneous movement also begins now.

Seven weeks:
http://patterico.com/images/7weeks.jpg
Your baby is now between 0.9 to 1.2 inches (22 to 30 millimeters) and weighs around 0.14 ounces (4 grams). Your baby’s elbows should also be fully developed by now, as are the toe rays. The gonads should have completed their growth into either testes or ovaries.

The tail which was at the bottom of your baby’s spinal cord has shrunk and has almost disappeared by this week. However, your baby’s head has been growing - it’s now very large compared with the rest of the body and it curves onto the chest.

Eight weeks:
http://patterico.com/images/8weeks.jpg
Toes, ears and the upper lip are now formed and by the end of the week your baby’s vital organs will be developed and starting to work together. During the week, the external genitalia will also start to take shape.

Brain growth increases rapidly by this week - almost 250,000 new neurons are produced every minute in your baby’s brain! As external changes, such as the separation of fingers and toes and the disappearance of the tail takes place, internal developments are taking place, too. Tooth buds form inside the mouth, and if you’re having a boy, his testes will begin producing the male hormone testosterone.

Nine weeks:
http://patterico.com/images/9weeks.jpg
Your baby’s irises will start to develop this week and finger nails will appear. Your baby’s reproductive organs begin to develop rapidly this week and the external genitalia will be recognizable.

Skipping ahead three weeks:
http://patterico.com/images/12weeks.jpg
The fetus is now in the second trimester. The intestines have formed, as have the villi inside them. At 12 weeks:

Your baby is now about 12cm and is even producing urine. In fact, your baby is urinating into the amniotic fluid as well as ‘breathing’ the amniotic fluid into his lungs! This week, head hair, including eyebrows, develops. Lanugo, the fine hairs that grow over your baby’s body and protect his skin, also grows this week and will continue growing until just before delivery.

Reproductive developments also take place this week. In boys, the prostate gland develops. In girls, the ovaries descend from the abdomen into the pelvis. In addition, your baby starts to produce hormones this week because the thyroid gland has matured.

Sixteen weeks:
http://patterico.com/images/16weeks.jpg
In many babies, hair growth has continued, and the hair follicles have begun to produce pigment in babies destined to be brunettes. The baby has learned to make a fist and bend its arms at the elbows and wrists. Bone and marrow production has continued, as has muscle development. At 14 weeks, the baby learned to squint and frown. The sex of the baby can be determined.

At 16 weeks:

Your baby will now be about 20cm in length and 7 ounces in weight. The bones are still hardening and the finger prints will begin forming shortly as the finger and toe pads are now formed. The bones of the inner ear and the nerve endings from the brain have developed enough so that your baby will hear sounds such as your heartbeat and blood moving through the umbilical cord. She may even be startled by loud noises. Your baby’s eyes are developing, too - the retinas may be able to detect the beam of a flashlight if you hold it to your uterus. Your baby is also now able to swallow and she may swallow up to a liter of amniotic fluid throughout the day.

Eighteen weeks:
http://patterico.com/images/18Weeks.jpg
At 17 weeks, girls already have ovaries filled with primitive egg cells. “Permanent teeth buds are forming behind the already formed milk teeth buds.” Babies can suck their thumbs. And at 18 weeks:

The skin is also developing layers which include the dermis, epidermis and subcutaneous layer. Baby’s hair and nails also continue to grow this week.

Diana_a7x:

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

Diana_a7x:

It is the mother's choice, I'm totally against abortions thought.
You're killing a living human being!

You're denying a potential life.
Sometime between eight and sixteen weeks, an embryo becomes recognizable as a pre-human, with many features of an infant exhibits when born.
Abortion is legal into the twenty-fourth month.

So you support it?

Please go back and read through my other posts.
I do not want to repeat myself.

I simply want to make sure that when someone does or does not support it, they know the facts.

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

If the baby was already alive and born, it would be different, but abortion isn't murder, it's just stopping life from beginning. Your example of a wife killing a husband wouldn't even copare, because that would involve ending a life that has already began: someone who has spent time on earth and developed a brain, feelings, memories, whatever.

Stopping the possibility of life is a far cry from slaughtering a grown man.

More often then not?
That's a catchy statistic
Because I have always heard it was a minimal risk. Personally, I have never met someone who had developed any problems after an abortion, and I know a lot of women who have "immorally terminated their clumps of cells"

But that's just me. Maybe you know a bunch of people who have.

Either way, the woman knows what she's getting into. at least it's her choice.

Its alive once its in you. Once the egg's been fertilized;;
its gonna turn into a human.

lets get that straight.

mkkz?

^but it hasnt turned into a human yet. There for i find it acceptable.Because well the embreyo hasnt devolped into a baby yet.

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

If the baby was already alive and born, it would be different, but abortion isn't murder, it's just stopping life from beginning. Your example of a wife killing a husband wouldn't even copare, because that would involve ending a life that has already began: someone who has spent time on earth and developed a brain, feelings, memories, whatever.

Stopping the possibility of life is a far cry from slaughtering a grown man.

More often then not?
That's a catchy statistic
Because I have always heard it was a minimal risk. Personally, I have never met someone who had developed any problems after an abortion, and I know a lot of women who have "immorally terminated their clumps of cells"

But that's just me. Maybe you know a bunch of people who have.

Either way, the woman knows what she's getting into. at least it's her choice.

i totally agree with you

broken.:

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

If the baby was already alive and born, it would be different, but abortion isn't murder, it's just stopping life from beginning. Your example of a wife killing a husband wouldn't even copare, because that would involve ending a life that has already began: someone who has spent time on earth and developed a brain, feelings, memories, whatever.

Stopping the possibility of life is a far cry from slaughtering a grown man.

More often then not?
That's a catchy statistic
Because I have always heard it was a minimal risk. Personally, I have never met someone who had developed any problems after an abortion, and I know a lot of women who have "immorally terminated their clumps of cells"

But that's just me. Maybe you know a bunch of people who have.

Either way, the woman knows what she's getting into. at least it's her choice.

Its alive once its in you. Once the egg's been fertilized;;
its gonna turn into a human.

lets get that straight.

mkkz?

I think we need to get the science and the facts right.

If you are going to have a stance on abortion, you need to know the facts.
It's one of those issues where if you aren't educated about it, there's really no credibility. It's just an uninformed opinion.

But why ruin a womans life just for a potentual baby?
Lots of people who go in for abortaion, have used contraception, but it failed. Why should they have to suffer for being responsable?
They shouldn't.
And you can say 'why should a baby have to die because of it?'
It isn't. It's a few cells with human potentual.

Simple and Clean:

But why ruin a womans life just for a potentual baby?
Lots of people who go in for abortaion, have used contraception, but it failed. Why should they have to suffer for being responsable?
They shouldn't.
And you can say 'why should a baby have to die because of it?'
It isn't. It's a few cells with human potentual.

Because in many cases, she ruined her own life.
For many women, getting an abortion ruins a womans life.
Spending nine months carrying a child is not ruining somebody's life. Putting a child up for adoption is not ruining somebody's life.

If the contraceptive broke, then the woman choose to have intercourse in the first place. If she was not ready for a child, she should have taken no chances.

As I've already explained, abortion is legal into the twenty-fourth week. These "few cells" begin to resemble an infant at about two months.