Abortions.

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

It would be greedy if the child was already born. I don't see the difference between an abortion and having your period, and I never will.

At least abortions between the first and second trimester.

Even later abortions I don't care about, when a baby has a heartbeat and has formed fully, but that has more to do with MY concept of a human life, and I wouldn't shove that on anyone because people definately have the right to disagree with me on that one,

. legally however, I will not argue for abortions after that because at that time, they don't even resemble living things as much as they resemble and organ or body tissue.

The difference is a spot of blood and:


The fact that you see no difference between a clump of cells and a fetus with a brain and heart is honestly slightly sickening to me.

Those kinda of pictures do not belong on this board. It is not a valid argument but something that you THINK will make people more guilty. Take it off, it is not an aborated baby. it would not be aborated if it was at that stage.

CemeteryDrive123:

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

It would be greedy if the child was already born. I don't see the difference between an abortion and having your period, and I never will.

At least abortions between the first and second trimester.

Even later abortions I don't care about, when a baby has a heartbeat and has formed fully, but that has more to do with MY concept of a human life, and I wouldn't shove that on anyone because people definately have the right to disagree with me on that one,

. legally however, I will not argue for abortions after that because at that time, they don't even resemble living things as much as they resemble and organ or body tissue.

The difference is a spot of blood and:


The fact that you see no difference between a clump of cells and a fetus with a brain and heart is honestly slightly sickening to me.

Those kinda of pictures do not belong on this board. It is not a valid argument but something that you THINK will make people more guilty. Take it off, it is not an aborated baby. it would not be aborated if it was at that stage.

Yes it would.
As I have said MANY times:
That is a picture at 17 weeks.
Abortion is legal into the 24th week.

I would love it if people do not make me say that again.

That is a photograph of a "clump of cells" at a stage legal for abortion, therefore, how does it not belong on an abortion thread?

If people feel guilty about saying it's okay to kill that, then that, in my opinion, is a good thing.

Just for good measure...
That is a picture at 17 weeks.
Abortion is legal into the 24th week.

ok... you want to play with pictures... check this one out...

http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/a/maryb683/marybrown/aborted21.htm

i couldn't figure out how to put it in the thread, but just follow the link to see a BABY... not a fetus... that could have been born and survived outside of the womb...

What does that have to do with the fact that people are denying facts?

It's rather hypocritical to say that WE are denying facts.
Also, coming back to your 'it could have made a technological or medical discovery'. Chances are, someone else would have figured it out if they had not. And, to counter your point, it could grow up to be a murderer or something.

I think you need to look at it from the point of view from the mother who doesn't want to have a baby.

Simple and Clean:

It's rather hypocritical to say that WE are denying facts.
Also, coming back to your 'it could have made a technological or medical discovery'. Chances are, someone else would have figured it out if they had not. And, to counter your point, it could grow up to be a murderer or something.

I think you need to look at it from the point of view from the mother who doesn't want to have a baby.

What facts have I denied?

I am not the one acting as if a 17 week old "clump of cells" would not be aborted.

I think you need to realize that just because I am anti-abortion doesn't mean I haven't looked at it from all points of view.

Jess-ay:

Okay, sure...
It looks like a baby, but that 'baby' would be the fucking size of our palm.

"Since you did use the word baby, does that mean you believe it is the mother's choice to kill her baby at any stage?"

Definately.

Its a sad loss, but i would rather have the mother very sure of herself.. then having a child.
And personally, i dont really care about facts.
All i see is that a women is desperate and is like, 90% sure that she cant do this.
Sure, she can give it to another family who is ready, but it doesnt matter how prepared or non-prepared you are, you are still giving up your baby and alot of mothers see that harder, then aborting it.

I understand there are some point of views where the mother is just being selfish. Shes aborting it for no fucking reason at all - and that is when i get pissed off.

Aborting a baby is hard, but i would rather that then fucking up mine and my un-born babies life.

Go figure.

So a three-month-old infant could be killed as long as it is the mother's choice?

Who cares about the size of the baby?
The fact that size matters to you that much slightly sickens me, actually.

You aren't giving up your baby if you're aborting it? :/ Yeah, I'm not seeing that at all. How is giving an infant a life with a loving family worse than not giving it a life?

It is selfish to act as if it is our divine right to choose who lives and who doesn't.

miss sin.:

Secondly, it would be interesting to see how many people of this thread closely know a person who has undergone an abortion.
I've spoken to three girls, all under the age of... eighteen, and all have had abortions for different reasons.
You would be surprised that not every 'young woman' wants to abort because it was 'an accident.'

I have.

Also, I never even came close to believing that every woman who gets an abortion is pregnant because she choose to have sex. So no, I wouldn't be suprised, I'm not sure about other people.

I've had friends who've had abortions. One of them did it because the father left her and she was in school and couldn't raise the child alone. She is fine with it, she mourns her child but feels it was for the best. She is now married and has a son, and has told me many times that she never would have been able to have the life she has if she'd had the baby, and her son has a much better life because she was able to finish school and provide for him.

My other friend is completely the opposite. She feels that she was not fully informed about the procedure and was traumatized because she saw the "product of pregnancy" (which was what the doctor called it). She is now very heavily pro-life and speaks at anti-abortion rallies. She has not had any more children.

I can sympathize with both of them. Again, I don't know that I could ever have it done myself. It doesn't seem like something I would want to do. But it's just another of those moral issues that I feel each person has to choose for themselves.

i think that the person should be able decide by themselves if they want to have an abortion especially the whole "abortion with parents conscent" thing i think that kids should be abl to have abortions without parental conscent because the child might now have good conection with their parents and it might just make it worse

xkilling_me_softlyx:

i think that the person should be able decide by themselves if they want to have an abortion especially the whole "abortion with parents conscent" thing i think that kids should be abl to have abortions without parental conscent because the child might now have good conection with their parents and it might just make it worse

I'm assuming that when you say "kids" you are talking about young teenagers, or teenagers in general for that matter.

There is a reason why young teenages, i.e 12-15 years old, need parental consent to have an abortion. The main reason is because they would not have the capacity to make an informed decision by themselves. They literally, and legally, are not mature enough. People of that age may think they are mature enough to make a decision like that, but they aren't.

However, one would hope that the parents of the girl that was pregnant could make the right decision for her and the baby...

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

You aren't giving up your baby if you're aborting it? :/ Yeah, I'm not seeing that at all. How is giving an infant a life with a loving family worse than not giving it a life?

Sorry babe, but you are not hearing me!

I said having the baby aborted would be better then bring it into a life in some situations because the mother just isnt prepared. Maybe emotionallly, or financially!
I was saying that if the women isnt ready, maybe shes just a teenager still in school?, i would rather abortion then ruining the mothers chance of education and the babies chance of a normal life. Normal being with a mother that is actually a mother, not someone who has to rely on her parents.

But then i backed that up with, sometimes they can give it up for adoption, but not matter how young or old they are... they are still emotionally attached to the child, and not wanting to give it up even if they understand that that is whats best for the baby.

And i agree with you jules : )
Well said.

Jess-ay:

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

You aren't giving up your baby if you're aborting it? :/ Yeah, I'm not seeing that at all. How is giving an infant a life with a loving family worse than not giving it a life?

Sorry babe, but you are not hearing me!

I said having the baby aborted would be better then bring it into a life in some situations because the mother just isnt prepared. Maybe emotionallly, or financially!
I was saying that if the women isnt ready, maybe shes just a teenager still in school?, i would rather abortion then ruining the mothers chance of education and the babies chance of a normal life. Normal being with a mother that is actually a mother, not someone who has to rely on her parents.

But then i backed that up with, sometimes they can give it up for adoption, but not matter how young or old they are... they are still emotionally attached to the child, and not wanting to give it up even if they understand that that is whats best for the baby.

And i agree with you jules : )
Well said.

Adoption.
It's not that hard.
Many people who want children are phsycilly incapable. Just because a woman gives birth or has a C-Section does not mean they have to quit school and raise a child. Adoption.

People are emotionally attatched to their baby even if it was aborted.
I have a friend who had an abortion.
She was emotionally attatched and still is.

I also have a friend who has a child and is still in high school. There are many free programs for teenage mothers where they help with the child, with school, and with financial aid.
The program my friend happens to be in will help her pay for the costs of her child (medical, diapers, food, etc...,) as long as she does well in school.

Honestly, it's slightly ignorant to believe that a teenage mother cannot provide a good life for her child (wether she raises the child or puts it up for adoption) and the only logical way out is an abortion.

All_You_Need_Is_Love:

Adoption.
It's not that hard.
Many people who want children are phsycilly incapable. Just because a woman gives birth or has a C-Section does not mean they have to quit school and raise a child. Adoption.

People are emotionally attatched to their baby even if it was aborted.
I have a friend who had an abortion.
She was emotionally attatched and still is.

I also have a friend who has a child and is still in high school. There are many free programs for teenage mothers where they help with the child, with school, and with financial aid.
The program my friend happens to be in will help her pay for the costs of her child (medical, diapers, food, etc...,) as long as she does well in school.

Honestly, it's slightly ignorant to believe that a teenage mother cannot provide a good life for her child (wether she raises the child or puts it up for adoption) and the only logical way out is an abortion.

Sure, you are attached to the baby weather its aborted or adopted, but i could imagine adoption would be harder.
Imagine having the baby, going through that pain and then giving it up.
I understand that its a nice thought, because there are some adults out there who just cant have children, but you will find that most women cant do it. They cant give their child up for adoption. Its basically to heartbraking.

I think we both have points.
Lets not turn this into an argument.

Also, please stop pyramid quoting.

Giving it a life is harder than not?

If someone finds it heartbreaking to give a child they cannot care for a better life, how do they not find it heartbreaking to deny a chance at life? That's completely hypocritical and honestly makes absolutely no sense.

"It would break my heart to put you up for adoption, so I'm just not going to allow you to live."

Yeah. Like, its the mom's choice, but killing another human being is wrong, even if the human being is not techincally alive. Hmm, what would Gerard Way and My CHemcail Romance think of this?

Hmmm.... With all your well-thought speeches, I've had a hard time joining a side, but I shouldn't. OK, so abortion can be caused by many reasons. Not being able to raise the child and still being in school is probably a good reason, but, couldn't you put the child for adoption instead?

And well, those who do abortion without a valid reason, you guys are STUPID.

Already_Dead10:

Yeah. Like, its the mom's choice, but killing another human being is wrong, even if the human being is not techincally alive. Hmm, what would Gerard Way and My CHemcail Romance think of this?

Why would that matter? You shouldn't base your opinions on somebody else's.