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Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725	June 26th, 2007 at 09:46pm ^ And that's why I said 'At least you have the smarts to realise it's propaganda...' etc. The rest of my post was simply putting my perspective on that bulletin. I hadn't misread the post and assumed you were posting your beliefs. When I say things like 'Ok, now you try explaining that one...' etc, I wasn't directing it towards you specifically at all. I was directing it towards the morons who don't think before they repost bulletins like that, and simply take it as gospel truth.
Oxycontin Genocide. Banned Age: 27 Gender: Male Posts: 2955	June 26th, 2007 at 10:16pm Cigarettes And Suicide: ^ And that's why I said 'At least you have the smarts to realise it's propaganda...' etc. The rest of my post was simply putting my perspective on that bulletin. I hadn't misread the post and assumed you were posting your beliefs. When I say things like 'Ok, now you try explaining that one...' etc, I wasn't directing it towards you specifically at all. I was directing it towards the morons who don't think before they repost bulletins like that, and simply take it as gospel truth. Ok. well, sorry, I misread your post then.
dear matthew Joining The Black Parade Age: - Gender: Male Posts: 186	June 26th, 2007 at 11:28pm the problem is, we can never really know if i can feel or think. no matter how much science states it is or isn't, science can be wrong. so then you just gotta figure why take the chance!
shawtysnappin Killjoy Age: - Gender: - Posts: 1	June 26th, 2007 at 11:46pm Personally, why should a potential mother be so careless during intercourse when absolutley everything can prevent pregnancy. The pill, birth control, condoms. There's enough prevention and if people are so careless not to use these then why should they end the life of an unborn baby. It's innocent and harmless. What pain or wrong can it have done. People need to realise that they're ending lives of potential Presidents, Senators, Kings and Queens, Singers, Entertainers, Parents.
Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725	June 27th, 2007 at 12:01am shawtysnappin: Personally, why should a potential mother be so careless during intercourse when absolutley everything can prevent pregnancy. The pill, birth control, condoms. There's enough prevention and if people are so careless not to use these then why should they end the life of an unborn baby. It's innocent and harmless. What pain or wrong can it have done. People need to realise that they're ending lives of potential Presidents, Senators, Kings and Queens, Singers, Entertainers, Parents. We've already covered every single one of your points. - The vast majority of women who seek an abortion were taking the utmost care not to fall pregnant to begin with - no birth control method is 100%, and the pill, condoms, and most other birth control methods have been known to fail. Yes, their success rate is an average of 97%, but then there's that niggly little 3% that, even when used correctly and with the utmost caution, it can still fail. The only absolute foolproof method is abstinence, but when you're an adult, especially an adult in a committed relationship (eg married), abstinence simply is not an option. You take whatever precautions you can, and sometimes those precautions can fail you. - The embryo is not a baby, a human, or a life. It is a clump of cells that is multiplying and has the potential to someday become a baby - but abortion cut-off periods are such that no baby is aborted - it's essentially removing a tumour. - Yes, the embryo may be innocent and not have caused any pain (yet), but in most cases, so is the mother - why should she be punished for being human? Hey, it's not her fault she ovulates, either. Surely it's better to remove a clump of unthining, unfeeling cells that don't know any better, than punish a living, breathing woman for the rest of her life? She hasn't done anything wrong - she's just looking after her best interests, as I'm sure you would do if you were, say, raped, or broke, had a medical condition meaning you might die if you tried to go through with the pregnancy, or knew that you weren't fit to raise a child (eg drug addict, in an abusive relationship etc). - And yes, abortion may take away the potential for an embryo to grow up to be a President, singer or actor, but hey - is the President really that great a guy? I bet you bash him every time you see him on TV or read about him in a newspaper. Is he really that special? And God, more singers and actors - isn't the world already overrun with them? Do we really need any more? While I'm at it - it works both ways. Aborting a pregnancy may also be 'killing' the next Hitler. The next Jayant Patel. The next Chris Benoit (who, by the way, killed his wife and innocent 7-year-old son, so I don't know why everyone's going on like he's a fallen hero). The next Osama Bin Laden. Ever thought of it that way? Besides, the world can't miss something that never existed to begin with, so it's no biggie. The world is overpopulated to begin with, and I'm sure if one cancer-curing doctor gets aborted, another will be born soon enough. Perhaps reading previous pages of this argument may have helped you decide whether your post was necessary, as we've already covered all these points frequently. Welcome to INO.
Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861	June 27th, 2007 at 03:39am xsilverbulletx: the problem is, we can never really know if i can feel or think. no matter how much science states it is or isn't, science can be wrong. so then you just gotta figure why take the chance! I am not a genius on the topic, but if I didn't have a brain, I know that I would not feel anything. At all. And, how can we have a person who runs our government be against gun control, but also against abortions?! Guns kill a lot of living people every year. I bet a lot of them are drive bys too, with guns somebody bought at a local supplier.
Doodles Demolition Lover Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 17799	June 27th, 2007 at 06:14am I think if you're having sex then you're running the risk or conceving a child. If you donnt want a child then you take all procortionaries possible. It is your responsibility, if it goes wrong then it's your problem. I personally do not feel that abortion is right. Why should a baby be punished for your mistake, not theirs. I understand it may be unwanted but it's still not the babys fault. I didn't ask to be concived, the parents did that.
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	June 27th, 2007 at 10:07am Doodles: I think if you're having sex then you're running the risk or conceving a child. If you donnt want a child then you take all procortionaries possible. It is your responsibility, if it goes wrong then it's your problem. I personally do not feel that abortion is right. Why should a baby be punished for your mistake, not theirs. I understand it may be unwanted but it's still not the babys fault. I didn't ask to be concived, the parents did that. You can't just tell people not to have sex. I mean, sometimes using protection just doesn't work. When a friend of my sisters was 18 she became pregnant with her boyfriend, but she was still in school. An aunt of hers told her to have an abortion and she felt really bad about it. Sometimes, you do things because you're scared and there really seems like there's not much choice. If she had told her parents they would have made her keep it. But she was afraid of what they might think. She confided in her aunt, and her aunt just told her that abortion was no big deal. I've talked to her just recently and she feels like she killed the possibility of her life being 'full'. She thinks that she'll never be able to have babies. Now, you shouldn't hate someone for having had an abortion, you don't their story. Abortion should be pro-choice because it's their child, their body. I think that people should be warned about what they might go through, though. Being told that they may feel like they killed part of themselves, like they are horrible people might prevent some people from going through with abortion.
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	June 27th, 2007 at 10:17am shawtysnappin: Personally, why should a potential mother be so careless during intercourse when absolutley everything can prevent pregnancy. The pill, birth control, condoms. There's enough prevention and if people are so careless not to use these then why should they end the life of an unborn baby. It's innocent and harmless. What pain or wrong can it have done. People need to realise that they're ending lives of potential Presidents, Senators, Kings and Queens, Singers, Entertainers, Parents. Like I wrote before, people make mistakes. It's ridiculous that you'll call them 'careless'. Anyway, the pill, birth control, and condoms aren't alway foolproof. Nothing in science is 100%. Usually things are 99% or 98%. But maybe that 1 or 2% is what gets through and protection doesn't work. And I believe in everything having a purpose. Maybe that baby's purpose is to prevent this woman from aborting her next child. Maybe this baby was to make sure this woman feels bad about it and has her next child. Gives her next child a good life. Anyway, a senator or president is kind of a big step. I mean, the could have been the president. But they also could have been a rapist, a murderer, etc. There's as much good in the world as there is bad. And anyway, not all important people are good people. Just look at America's current president. Most people don't agree with him, but he still got elected twice.
Doodles Demolition Lover Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 17799	June 27th, 2007 at 10:30am Dance on fire.: You can't just tell people not to have sex. I mean, sometimes using protection just doesn't work. When a friend of my sisters was 18 she became pregnant with her boyfriend, but she was still in school. An aunt of hers told her to have an abortion and she felt really bad about it. Sometimes, you do things because you're scared and there really seems like there's not much choice. If she had told her parents they would have made her keep it. But she was afraid of what they might think. She confided in her aunt, and her aunt just told her that abortion was no big deal. I've talked to her just recently and she feels like she killed the possibility of her life being 'full'. She thinks that she'll never be able to have babies. Now, you shouldn't hate someone for having had an abortion, you don't their story. Abortion should be pro-choice because it's their child, their body. I think that people should be warned about what they might go through, though. Being told that they may feel like they killed part of themselves, like they are horrible people might prevent some people from going through with abortion. I don't hate people who have abortions, it's their life so it's their choice. I'm not saying they shouldn't have sex...I'm just saying that it does carry things like that and however much you protect yourself you still run the risk. That's all, that's my view. We all get told about the risks and we all get told how contreceptions may not work. It's a persons own choice, like so it's their choice to abort the baby. The baby doesn't have a voice in it though. It just doesn't get to live, just because of a mistake their parents made. For some people it's right but personally wouldn't be able to live with myself afterwards.
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	June 27th, 2007 at 10:50am Doodles: I don't hate people who have abortions, it's their life so it's their choice. I'm not saying they shouldn't have sex...I'm just saying that it does carry things like that and however much you protect yourself you still run the risk. That's all, that's my view. We all get told about the risks and we all get told how contreceptions may not work. It's a persons own choice, like so it's their choice to abort the baby. The baby doesn't have a voice in it though. It just doesn't get to live, just because of a mistake their parents made. For some people it's right but personally wouldn't be able to live with myself afterwards. Well, the baby wouldn't really be able to have a voice in it. They don't even have brains yet at the time that abortion has to happen. They really aren't anything or anyone. And sometimes, not letting a baby come into the world when you're not ready is better than giving the child a horrible life and an untimely death because you weren't ready. Sometimes people aren't there finacially, sometimes their partner left them and they would be all alone with a baby that will always wonder why their dad didn't want to stay. Maybe, preventing life could also prevent the child from suffering. If they were meant to be something, they will come back differently. As someone else. Everyone has a purpose, sometimes their purpose is to be with someone better than who they ended up with. Someone that's ready. I know, some of the stuff I wrote has to do with religion and the whole rebirth thing, but you get what I'm saying.
Doodles Demolition Lover Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 17799	June 27th, 2007 at 11:03am ^^ Is it really right to just do that though cause they don't have a voice. Why cam't they put the child up for adoption, then you make someone very happy and the child will ultimately get a better life. People are never really ready for have children as they don't know what it's like. Surely it's worth taking a chance and seeing what it's like. Most people love being a parent no matter what the circumstaces. Yes, some children are unwanted which is sad but as I said if people kept on aborting their babies then people who couldn't have children would never get the chance to. I think it varies very much on the person.
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	June 27th, 2007 at 11:09am Doodles: ^^ Is it really right to just do that though cause they don't have a voice. Why cam't they put the child up for adoption, then you make someone very happy and the child will ultimately get a better life. People are never really ready for have children as they don't know what it's like. Surely it's worth taking a chance and seeing what it's like. Most people love being a parent no matter what the circumstaces. Yes, some children are unwanted which is sad but as I said if people kept on aborting their babies then people who couldn't have children would never get the chance to. I think it varies very much on the person. Putting your child up for adoption is giving your child up. It's the same as abortion except people see it as right. The right thing to do. But the child will always wonder why their parents didn't want them. They will think they're useless. They won't always just think their parents were trying to make their life better. They'll just think that their parents didn't love them. That they weren't good enough.
Doodles Demolition Lover Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 17799	June 27th, 2007 at 11:18am Dance on fire.: Putting your child up for adoption is giving your child up. It's the same as abortion except people see it as right. The right thing to do. But the child will always wonder why their parents didn't want them. They will think they're useless. They won't always just think their parents were trying to make their life better. They'll just think that their parents didn't love them. That they weren't good enough. Actually, both my cousins are adopted and think they're very fortuneate. My older cousin wishes too meet his bioligical parents but my other cousin doesn't under very different cirucumtances. Quite easily under there circumstances they could have both been aborted as they both had young mums who didn't really want them or where not in a situation where they could. But they weren't so they grew up in a loving background and love my uncle and auntie. If they had been aborted none of this would have happened. In most cases the children end up being very thankful of their adoptive parents. I think it's a lot better option that aportion.
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	June 27th, 2007 at 11:23am Doodles: Actually, both my cousins are adopted and think they're very fortuneate. My older cousin wishes too meet his bioligical parents but my other cousin doesn't under very different cirucumtances. Quite easily under there circumstances they could have both been aborted as they both had young mums who didn't really want them or where not in a situation where they could. But they weren't so they grew up in a loving background and love my uncle and auntie. If they had been aborted none of this would have happened. In most cases the children end up being very thankful of their adoptive parents. I think it's a lot better option that aportion. It doens't always end up that way, though. My friend Steffany is adopted and she hates her birth parents and her adopted parents. It would be a 50/50 chance of them liking/not liking their living conditions. But, it's great that you're cousins are happy.
DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067	June 27th, 2007 at 01:42pm Doodles: ^^ Is it really right to just do that though cause they don't have a voice. Why cam't they put the child up for adoption, then you make someone very happy and the child will ultimately get a better life. People are never really ready for have children as they don't know what it's like. Surely it's worth taking a chance and seeing what it's like. Most people love being a parent no matter what the circumstaces. Yes, some children are unwanted which is sad but as I said if people kept on aborting their babies then people who couldn't have children would never get the chance to. I think it varies very much on the person. Doodles, im sorry, but you should read about 10 pages back please. We owned you there with the other people who said the same things, and im sure no one wants to repeat themselves ><;
Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725	June 27th, 2007 at 06:16pm Doodles: I think if you're having sex then you're running the risk or conceving a child. If you donnt want a child then you take all procortionaries possible. It is your responsibility, if it goes wrong then it's your problem. I personally do not feel that abortion is right. Why should a baby be punished for your mistake, not theirs. I understand it may be unwanted but it's still not the babys fault. I didn't ask to be concived, the parents did that. As we've already gone over, sometimes precautions fail. Nothing is foolproof except abstinence, but when you're in a commited relationship (eg married, like I am), sex is a given. If protection fails, why should I be punished for my mistake? I didn't ask to get pregnant. The embryo doesn't know any better. I'd rather terminate a pregnancy and move on with my life, than be forced to raise a child I resent for ruining my life and having it know that it wasn't wanted. As far as adoption goes, well, anybody who's read my previous posts know full well my feelings on this subject. If adoption was so successful, why are orphanages and foster homes overflowing with unwanted children? Why are there so many reports of abuse, molestation, and deprivation of basic human liberties being committed in these places? How do you think these kids feel, being lined up before prospective parents to get picked over, just praying that this time, maybe this time, somebody will love them and take them home with them? And these kids aren't stupid - they know they're there because their parents couldn't or wouldn't keep them, and no matter what rationalisation you give children, they are always convinced it's their fault and they did something so bad that their parents didn't love them. I'd never put a child of mine through that - to be honest, I'd much rather abort a potential child before it becomes one, and move on with my life, than give up a baby for adoption and then spend the rest of my life wondering where they are, how their life is going, if they're being treated well, etc etc. I'd dwell on it far too much. But yeah. 'Why should a baby be punished, it didn't do anything wrong'? Why in hell should I, as a living, breathing human being who's alive and thinking and feeling, have less right than a tumour? Why should I be punished and forced to raise a child I don't want or can't provide for? I didn't do anything wrong either.
DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067	June 27th, 2007 at 06:22pm Not to mention, as I have said OVER AND OVER, a Fetus, until a certain point, isn't even alive. How is it suffering?
dear matthew Joining The Black Parade Age: - Gender: Male Posts: 186	June 27th, 2007 at 06:22pm well doodles is right. if you have sex then even with previsions you need to accept that you can possible have a child. abortion was created to help out victims of abuse. not for people who cannot seemingly get enough sex they're unprepared. and even as cigs said theres three percent but the reason why there are so many abortions is because people dont take anti-birth measures.
Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725	June 27th, 2007 at 06:58pm ^ I beg to differ. Think about it - if birth control methods average a 97% success rate, that means that 3 out of every 100 people using these methods is likely to fall pregnant. Now, how many people live in civilised nations (US, Britian, Australia etc)? Millions. Millions upon millions. That means that the 3 out of 100 statistic, applied to every person living in places where birth control is accepted and used, equals hundreds of thousands of unwanted pregnancies where all precautions have been implemented, and have failed. That doesn't mean these people were irresponsible or not taking the correct measures - it means that they got unlucky, and it could happen to anybody. As we've gone over (and over, and over, and over and over again), fetuses are aborted long before they have any feelings, thoughts, or human features, so they're not suffering, they don't know any better. There is nothing wrong with making a decision based on your individual circumstance, that you know is best for you. And people who get abortions have already thought about and talked about their other options (pre-op counselling is mandatory), and still decided that terminating their pregnancy is the best decision for them and their bodies. I don't know why anybody else cares, it's not their business and they're not affected by it. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Yeah. Like I said, why in hell should you have such a strong opinion on it when a) it's never happened to you, therefore you have no idea what it feels like to go through something like that, and b) somebody else getting an abortion has absolutely no impact on you living your life the way you choose. If you don't like abortion, don't get one. It's that simple. I'd love to see some of these pro-lifers get knocked up against their wishes, and see them squirm when they realise that maybe abortion is the best option for them - but they feel obligated to keep the child, ruining their lives in the process.

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