Abortions.

bright lights x x:

then they should be in a standerd relationship and also financially ready just in case a baby does happen to come into their lives.
or if their not then they need to be raised by a willing mother of the women that had sex untill she can properly raise the child as it should be raised.

Umm, hate to burst your bubble, but not everyone who's in a 'standard' (I assume you mean 'stable') relationship can be 'financially prepared on the off chance a baby comes along'.
My husband works full time and we don't have many luxuries, but we still can't really afford to have a child - we've got rent, fuel, groceries, car registration, phone, electricity and cable bills to pay, and that's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head.
Yeah, it might not sound like much, because when you live with your parents and they're buying everything for you (things like food, that you would think are pretty cheap), you have absolutely no concept of what money is coming into the house, and what money is going out on certain things. For instance, our rent is around 35% of his weekly income - that's a massive slice. Then we have to buy groceries, and being pregnant, there are certain things like fresh fruit and vegetables that I have to include in my diet - and with the drought going on, fresh produce prices are through the roof, so there's another 25% of his weekly pay on food - and we're lucky if we manage to stretch our budget to include meat for every night of the week - sometimes we have to go without because it's too expensive, and my iron levels are through the floor (which is really bad for a developing baby). Then come the bills - they never stop, and they need to paid right now, so there's usually another 30% of our income on that stuff - which leaves us no money to save, and no money to buy things for the baby.

That's just an example, but hey, not every married couple in the world lives off two incomes (for that matter, I got fired from my job when my boss found out I was pregnant - their insurance didn't cover pregnant employees so if I'd hurt myself or something, they would have been liable and they had to let me go), and not every husband in the world is a lawyer or doctor or in some other highly-paid position. And the cost of living goes up and up all the time - housing prices, food prices, etc etc.. we can't seem to get ahead.

And I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you would suggest a family member take up the burden of somebody else's responsibility. As Fezzik said, her parents are looking forward to retirement and spending time together, child-free, for the first time in many years, and they deserve that. My parents are excited about becoming grandparents, but they don't want a baby in their house, interrupting their sleep, draining their bank accounts, etc. It's my responsibility and, although I'm happy to take it on, a lot of people aren't and neither they nor their parents should be forced to do so - it impacts on lives so much more than what you realise.
My parents have already raised two kids to adulthood, it's time for them to have their lives back and enjoy being a couple instead of being parents. I'd never ask them to care for a child that isn't theirs, unless it was babysitting for a couple of hours.

there are 12 year olds being raped out there
i can fully understand why they might want an abortion for that


but theres no reason for an abortion if you have the money to support the child.
if you dont then you shouldnt really take the chance untill you feel comfertable (sp) in the situation.


im not trying to tell anyone how to live there life or w/e by no means.
its just my opion.
please do not get mad at me for this.

bright lights x x:

i would never get pregnant at 13 and unless i was raped i would never get an abortion

You say that now, until it actually happens to you. A lot of people think this way.

MCR Rocks:

OK Fezzik, lets think for a minute. a woman shouldn't be forced to have a baby she doesn't want, but adoption is there for a reason. do you have any IDEA HOW MUCH PEOPLE WANT BABIES BUT CANT HAVE THEM! the baby should have the right to be born, and unfertile parents have the right to have a child. abortion is really just throwing a baby away that can have a good family, if giving to parents who want to have a child. being pregnant is very hard on the body for 9 months but she should be happy that all she went through is going to make two people happy.

But then again, think about all the other kids who are now currently in foster homes in the United States and in orphanages worldwide. There's no guarantee that the mother will be able to find her child a suitable home. And like you said, being pregnant is very hard on the body. Because of that, it should be a woman's choice whether or not she wants to go through nine months of pain just so she has to give the baby up at the end of it.

And I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you would suggest a family member take up the burden of somebody else's responsibility. As Fezzik said, her parents are looking forward to retirement and spending time together, child-free, for the first time in many years, and they deserve that. My parents are excited about becoming grandparents, but they don't want a baby in their house, interrupting their sleep, draining their bank accounts, etc. It's my responsibility and, although I'm happy to take it on, a lot of people aren't and neither they nor their parents should be forced to do so - it impacts on lives so much more than what you realise.
My parents have already raised two kids to adulthood, it's time for them to have their lives back and enjoy being a couple instead of being parents. I'd never ask them to care for a child that isn't theirs, unless it was babysitting for a couple of hours.

again
i see what you mean.
but my parents are differnt
theyd be happy for me that i chose to keep and raise it
im not trying to say that i would hand it compleltly over to mom and dad.
cause i wouldnt
im saying if i needed someone to look after it while i was in school
they would offer although it wouldnt be all that good for the baby
it would be raised well untill i was out of school.

but i wouldnt have to worry about that.

Audrey Hepburn.:

bright lights x x:

i would never get pregnant at 13 and unless i was raped i would never get an abortion

You say that now, until it actually happens to you. A lot of people think this way.

yes true
but then again i trust myself

Oops...double post.

MCR Rocks:

OK Fezzik, lets think for a minute. a woman shouldn't be forced to have a baby she doesn't want, but adoption is there for a reason. do you have any IDEA HOW MUCH PEOPLE WANT BABIES BUT CANT HAVE THEM! the baby should have the right to be born, and unfertile parents have the right to have a child. abortion is really just throwing a baby away that can have a good family, if giving to parents who want to have a child. being pregnant is very hard on the body for 9 months but she should be happy that all she went through is going to make two people happy.

No, I agree with Fezzik.
Obviously the adoption system isn't working, because orphanages and foster homes are overflowing with unwanted children who probably will never be adopted, and this situation will only get worse as medical technology advances. Infertile couples don't want other people's children, they want their own, and IVF treatments etc are becoming so advanced that soon no couple on earth will be infertile, unless of course they can't afford the procedures (and, if they can't afford IVF or sperm/egg donors etc, then according to government legislation, they cannot afford to adopt a child either). Soon everyone, providing they can pay for it, will be able to have their own flesh and blood growing inside them with medical assistance, and children in foster homes will be ignored completely because there's no need for them to be given to a childless couple.
In addition to that, people's liberal attitudes and 'save the world' philosophies mean Western orphans/foster kids are being ignored by childless couples in favour of 'those poor little' African and Asian children, who people think are so much worse off than an American or Australian orphan.

Not every child who is given up for adoption finds a home - I know of people who were given up by their parents and left to rot in an orphanage until they turned 16 and were thrown out onto the street with no job, no money, and no way of knowing how to survive. If the adoption system worked so well, if there really were that many couples willing to adopt, there'd be hardly any kids in foster care - think about it, if it worked so well, they'd all be tucked up in great new homes with loving new parents, wouldn't they? Obviously they're not, so the system is by no means as good as you'd like to think it is.

And not only is being pregnant for nine months (technically, 10 months - 40 weeks) is extremely hard on the body (and oh, I can tell you all about it, being 38 weeks pregnant), but it's extremely hard on the mind as well. I've lost my job, tolerated scornful, disapproving looks from complete strangers, lost pretty much all my friends because I'm 'no fun' anymore, I feel sick all the time, my back hurts, my feet, legs and hands are swollen, had to deal with the inevitable 'You're throwing your life away, having a baby so young' comments from friends, family and complete strangers, had several health scares (both mine and the baby's)... the list goes on. And I'll be damned if I've gone through all of that for pretty much nothing - or, not nothing... damned if a person would go through all of that, only to hand their baby over to someone and then spend the rest of their life wondering what happened to that child.

MCR Rocks:

OK Fezzik, lets think for a minute. a woman shouldn't be forced to have a baby she doesn't want, but adoption is there for a reason. do you have any IDEA HOW MUCH PEOPLE WANT BABIES BUT CANT HAVE THEM! the baby should have the right to be born, and unfertile parents have the right to have a child. abortion is really just throwing a baby away that can have a good family, if giving to parents who want to have a child. being pregnant is very hard on the body for 9 months but she should be happy that all she went through is going to make two people happy.

You make it sound like there are a shortage of children to be adopted.
There aren't.
If somebody gets an abortion it is not going to make one of the children that is currently alive and waiting to be adopted disappear.
Why don't you worry about the children who actually exist?

^^ I must say that I kind of agree. We should worry about the kids who are already waiting for parents above the kids that arent even born yet.

Abortion is good. It might save another kid from going into a Orphanage.Or save the women from going poor. If a women wants a abortion she should not be stopped by the government.

I'm not against abortion, I'm saying that a woman should take responsibility for what has happened. if the woman was raped or she cant have a child for various reasons, fine get a abortion, i cant stop you. but i just dont think its fair that a woman that is fully able to have a kid shouldn't get a abortion because 'it'll interfere in my life'. i hate (actually i love) to break this to you, but EVERYTHING you do interferes with your life.

and what about emotional trauma? wouldn't a woman feel bad after doing this. i mean this would affect your emotional health, guilt turns to depression, depression over a long period is chronic depression and is treated with anti depression. yea a woman may not feel guilt about getting a abortion but many woman would. in MY MIND (NOT YOURS) i think that if a woman doesn't feel even a little guilt shes heartless.

and no i'm not saying that every woman in the world is going to get chronic depression cause she had a abortion. BUT it is a POSSIBLITY

MCR Rocks:

I'm not against abortion, I'm saying that a woman should take responsibility for what has happened. if the woman was raped or she cant have a child for various reasons, fine get a abortion, i cant stop you. but i just dont think its fair that a woman that is fully able to have a kid shouldn't get a abortion because 'it'll interfere in my life'. i hate (actually i love) to break this to you, but EVERYTHING you do interferes with your life.

Why should a woman have to take responsibility for, say, her birth control failing? And how should someone considered so irresponsible be expected to take on the responsibility of another human life? And how is it fair that an unconscious embryo's life, which is only potential, should take precedent over a fully-developed woman's?

murder is considered to be a crime, and in abortion, a child is being killed so it's considered to be mureder. so why should the government legalize a crime?

if it's the women's fault that she got pregnant then she should take the responsibility of having a child. it's up to her how she would support the child. the women, also the men, should consider the consequences of their actions. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT!

but some also has a point about the incest or rape. this is the men's fault. the women suffer from their pleasures!

oo_mitch05_oo:

murder is considered to be a crime, and in abortion, a child is being killed so it's considered to be mureder. so why should the government legalize a crime?

if it's the women's fault that she got pregnant then she should take the responsibility of having a child. it's up to her how she would support the child. the women, also the men, should consider the consequences of their actions. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT!

but some also has a point about the incest or rape. this is the men's fault. the women suffer from their pleasures!

Like Fezzik said, what if her birth control failed? She did take action not to get pregnant.
And a growing embryo is not a child. It has not taken a breath, nor is it conscious of it's surroundings.

Abortions should be limited to whenever there is a clear and present danger to the mother and in emergancies. What about rape? Can you honestly sit there and tell me the psychological, emotional, and physical pain would go away if the mother had the baby aborted? You can't because the pain would remain with or without the child and it would take years of therapy for all of it to go away.

bright lights x x:

again
i see what you mean.
but my parents are differnt
theyd be happy for me that i chose to keep and raise it
im not trying to say that i would hand it compleltly over to mom and dad.
cause i wouldnt
im saying if i needed someone to look after it while i was in school
they would offer although it wouldnt be all that good for the baby
it would be raised well untill i was out of school.

but i wouldnt have to worry about that.

Not everybodies parents are your parents. I respect your opinion that you would never have sex without knowing that you have the possibility of becoming pregnant and having a child. Also, if you did, you wouldn't have an abortion. But not everybody is in the same circumstance as you. Just because you choose to live your life a certain way, does not mean you have ANY RIGHT to impose your life on theirs. You don't have to have an abortion, but there are plenty of other people who would benefit greatly from it.

oo_mitch05_oo:

murder is considered to be a crime, and in abortion, a child is being killed so it's considered to be mureder. so why should the government legalize a crime?

if it's the women's fault that she got pregnant then she should take the responsibility of having a child. it's up to her how she would support the child. the women, also the men, should consider the consequences of their actions. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT!

but some also has a point about the incest or rape. this is the men's fault. the women suffer from their pleasures!

Read some pages back. We have already covered and defeated your whole point.