Abortions.
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| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | MrRandomGuy: If a rape victim is forced to carry her child to term, one of two things will happen. She'll keep the baby, or she won't. So either she'll spend the rest of her life wondering about the little piece of her and of the man who attacked her, or she'll have to raise the child of the person who violated her. No, aborting the embryo will not make the rape go away, but at least the victim won't have to be reminded of what happened by looking at or wondering about the product every day for the rest of her life. Not to mention having to deal with being pregnant for nine months and then give birth - from what I gather, it basically sucks, and that's even if you love and want the baby that'll be coming out of you. No woman should ever be forced to go through pregnancy and birth, especially if she didn't even choose to have sex in the first place. Besides, what happens when the kid finds out his father raped his mother? What happens when all the mother's friends and family asks how she got pregnant, or where the baby is if she gives it up for adoption? Why shouldn't all these problems be avoided when it would only take killing something that can't feel it and doesn't know the difference anyway? |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | Men don't have the right to be anti abortion. I know thats radical and harsh, but it's not their struggle. They have no idea what childbirth is like. At least women without children will in the future, but men are free from that burden, therefore if anything, their opinion is meaningless. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | Fezzik: the woman should have known that birth control isnt always affective. it says cleary on the bottle, and what the doctor tells you hundreds of times before he perscribes it to you, that birth control only works around 70-85% of the time. theres a chance you can get pregnant in those odds, and she should've known there was a risk. a irresponsible person shouldnt take on the responsiblility cause they'll screw everything up, but should'nt the child have a chance to actually live even if its in a orphange? and why should a embryo have more precedent over a fully-developed woman's? because the woman has lived most of her life, the baby hasnt lived a day. think about it if you were a sitting there and someone asked you that i'm gonna kill you so some woman you havent even met yet can live HER life the way she wants to? you would say no right? but the baby doesnt have a choice, you would've. why shouldnt the baby have that choice? cause its a bunch of cells that cant think yet. yes, but after three months it becomes a human, killing something before that time cause it will "interfere" is pretty low. |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | So are you saying that woman having their period is morally wrong? Because that's what an early abortion is really. Just so you know. ^^ |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | LoversHeartDisease: do you even know what you're talking about? a abortion is giving a woman a bunch of drugs to numb her, then the use a device to remove the embryo so she no longer is pregnant and goes through nausea, faint spells, vomiting, fatigue and depression due to the drugs. I'm not talking about a early abortion cause a early abortion is even before a embryo has started forming. that's not exactly wrong, but i wouldn't recommend doing that. a abortion is taking out a living thing that still growing so you don't have the inconvenience of carry it. |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | So is having your period. You do realize that having your period is also getting rid of clumps of cells that could possibly become a human being one day right? By the way. Health effects don't always happen. That's something pro lifers use to push women away from abortion. I think we have all basically determined that Abortions are ok as long as they are between the first two trimesters. I personally am ok with ALL abortion (I don't concider something alive until it actually lives life) but from a biological perspective, I support the cutoff at second trimester. |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | MCR Rocks:That's all fair enough, but what you're essentially saying is that, even if a woman is using birth control, she should abstain from sex completely unless she wants a child? Because if she falls pregnant while using birth control, she 'should have known' about the risk, and therefore go through with the pregnancy and raise a child? Umm, BULL. Birth control is designed to allow the user/s to indulge in sexual activity without the high risk of falling pregnant - and yes, there is some slight risk even while using birth control, but nothing is foolproof, and a woman who has correctly used birth control should not have to be forced into carrying a baby for nine months and then either raising it or giving it up for adoption just because medical technology hasn't given us the complete answer to the problem as yet. MCR Rocks:Well, for one, an irresponsible person who falls pregnant with an unwanted child may do something really irresponsible, like attempt suicide. Or, to a lesser extent, she could hurt herself and the unborn child by doing things like drinking, taking drugs, continuing with the lifestyle she's accustomed to, because hey, she's not keeping the kid anyway, so what does she care if it comes out disabled? Not her problem, right? And, with regards to a child being placed in an orphanage, well hey, call me crazy, but I personally would much rather have never taken a breath, than been shoved into an overcrowded orphanage where I'm at risk of molestation, deprivation of my rights (ie physical/mental abuse, torture etc which are rife in orphanages and foster homes), and living with the knowledge every single day that my mother/parents didn't want me, didn't love me, and cared so little about me that they just got rid of me like I was a piece of garbage. Like I said, I'd much prefer to have never, ever existed and therefore never know any better, than go through a life as terrible as that - things like that can screw a person up for life, and then what good are they? No, I say better that they should never experience life, than experience a life that isn't worth living. MCR Rocks:'Most of her life?' Excuse me? The average life span of a human being is hitting 80 - are you trying to tell me that women who are terminating their pregnancies are in their 60's and 70's? Psh, you should know that a woman's fertile years end during menopause, in their 40's or 50's, and not many women are falling pregnant during those years. Women usually conceive while they're young and their bodies are fertile and able to carry children, in their teens, 20's and 30's - these women, especially younger women, have barely experienced more 'life' than a child (school, living with parents, etc), and therefore have so much more ahead of them... and to that effect, I believe they should have every right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Not only do these women have their entire lives ahead of them, but they've already lived for a couple of decades (let's just use a woman in her 20's for argument's sake), whereas an embryo has never lived and doesn't know any better - why should a fully-developed, living, breathing, thinking woman who knows what life is and is accustomed to living it, have to change everything she's ever known for the sake of something that, essentially, doesn't truly deserve it as they haven't experienced it? Besides, ONE IN FOUR pregnancies ends in miscarriage anyway - yes, one out of every four - so even if women were forced to go through with their pregnancies, a huge number of those embryos would 'die' anyway, so why shouldn't a woman make her own informed choice regarding her own body, her own health, her own life? Why does an undeveloped embryo who doesn't have a soul, a brain, a heart, etc, have more rights than a full-grown adult who has all those things? MCR Rocks:Your analogy, no offense, sucks. There is a massive, massive, massive difference between someone who is already alive being killed, and a brainless, thoughtless clump of tumorous cells being scraped out of a womb. The baby doesn't get a choice because it's not a 'baby' yet! And the woman who is pregnant is alive, breathing, thinking and feeling, and should have much more right to decide what she wants to do than, say, the cells that make up muscel tissue in your leg, because essentially that's what an embryo is - cells. Tissue. Nothing. And, FYI (I wish people would research this instead of making the assumption that abortions are performed on almost full-term fetuses, which, yes, would be wrong as they have feelings after a certain point) - abortions are only performed before the 15-week point (which, OMG, is just over three months, when they're still a nothing lump of tissue), unless there is a serious risk to the mother's health which hasn't been detected before that point (eg an ectopic pregnancy, which can be fatal for the mother if left alone, and the baby cannot survive it either), or the fetus dies in the womb - and then it's not 'aborted', it's already dead, and is delivered as a normal baby would be, by going through labour and pushing it out. And abortion is hardly ever a matter of the child being an 'interference' in the mother's life - there are factors like financial instability or poverty, drug or alcohol dependency, not being in a relationship or being in an unsuitable relationship (hey, would you like to have a baby to an abusive father, or run the risk of your abusive, alcoholic partner pushing you down the stairs one night when you're eight and a half months' pregnant and risk killing you or the baby or both?), having a career that to you is more important than motherhood (and some women just don't have that maternal thing going, and their career IS their baby, and don't try to pull the 'put it up for adoption' thing, because a lot of women get fired from their jobs or demoted when their boss finds out they're pregnant), the pregnancy being the result of a rape or unwanted sexual encounter, etc... the list goes on forever. |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | MCR Rocks:there can be no 'abortion', whether surgical or spontaneous, unless there is an embryo to abort. Therefore, your comment about early abortion is completely false - early abortion, or spontaneous abortion, is the term used when a fertilized egg - an embryo - implants in the lining of the uterus but fails to develop further than a few days or a few weeks because of some unviability - it's a miscarriage. These are very common (remember, 25% of all pregnancies) up to the 12-week mark, which explains the superstition behind not informing friends and family of your pregnancy until you're into the second trimester - by waiting till the fetus is deemed viable and is likely to survive to term, you save yourself and others a lot of heartache by keeping it to yourself. Nausea, fainting, dizzy spells and the rest are part and parcel of miscarriage as well as clinical abortions - the body is expelling an unwanted product and the hormones that go with that product can create havoc within a woman's body. And in most places, local anaesthetic is used instead of general anaesthetic, meaning a woman is awake and conscious during the operation, not knocked out with more dangerous drugs, so while some women may have side effects from the anaesthetics used (just as some women have reactions to the drugs used when, say, getting a tooth pulled), the majority of the ill effects after abortion are caused by hormones, not to mention phsycological (overwhelming grief, relief, sadness, etc can all be factors in physical illness). |
| Helena and Hearts Jazz Hands  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 314 | abortions are sad, because that's just another baby unborn, it's so sad |
| druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1671 | Beautiful Mistake:It's also another child not shoved into foster care or a family that doesn't want it. |
| druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1671 | The "baby" won't know if it was born or not. It won't know what it's missing. If you were aborted, you wouldn't know. My mother considered abortion me. If she hadn't, I wouldn't know the difference. The "child" doesn't give a sh-t. |
| Stripey-Stripes. Motor Baby  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 804 | druscilla; ryry: ^^Agreed. You can't argue that another baby unborn is sad. A baby living a life without a proper family, without someone to care for it, that's sad. You do realize that if abortion is made illegal it'll happen anyways? It'll happen in back rooms and with bicycle spokes. Drugs are illegal, and you can't tell me that they don't happen daily. If abortion is illegal, then the child will end up living a crap life, with a crap family. Even if the mother doesn't dump it, it'll live it's life knowing it was never wanted. Humans have a tricky way of making sure what isn't wanted, knows that. You can't argue that it's wrong. To you, it may be morally wrong, but since you're not in charge of anyone's soul but your own, you have no place to judge. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | LoversHeartDisease: the side effects do happen. when the give you the drugs they say that you'll feel sick, weak and nausea may happen. i should know 3 people in my family had abortions and the would never do it again cause 1, they felt extremely bad for getting rid of it and 2, nothing in the world could get them out of bed. and like saying that is gonna stop a woman from getting a abortion, they gonna do it no matter what protesters say, a woman has been standing outside a abortion clincic around where i live and she has been protesting for over 20 years. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | Cigarettes And Suicide: the early abortion was taking something like the morning after pill, i wouldnt recommend taking it but again I cant stop you. and i dont think the knock you out for abortions anymore (or at least the dont at the clinic where i'm from) you're fully awake, but those drugs still do that in your system. and its not gonna stop a woman from getting a abortion |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | Cigarettes And Suicide: a woman should have sex is she wants to. what i'm saying is that a woman getting a abortion cause her birth control failed isnt a good enough excuse. birth control doesnt always work she would've found a different way to preventing her pregnancy |
| Pilgrim. Salute You in Your Grave  Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 2159 | MCR Rocks: What other ways are there exactly to prevent a pregnancy than various forms of birth control? Not having sex, yes, but like you said yourself, a woman should have sex if she wants to. The likeliness of birth control failing is rather minimal nowadays. People use birth control so that they wouldn't get pregnant. That is usually the sole purpose of it. People also usually have good enough reasons for not wanting to get pregnant. Why should failed protection overcome all these reasons and change a woman's life forever if that is definitely something she doesn't want? |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | MCR Rocks: I too know women who have had abortions, and none of them were emotionally effected. Physically, take away some discomfort, they were alright after a few hours. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | he1ena: yes, theres tons of ways to prevent birth than not having sex or birth control if you look it up. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | LoversHeartDisease: well the woman i know, felt like they had the flu for days, and the went through emotional guilt and depression, my aunt felt so bad that she got pregnant with my cousin on perpose. and my mom felt bad too, and she went through tons of pain cause the drugs wore off half way through the abortion, she was kicking and screaming till the abortion was done. even though its didnt ware off for the other woman, they still felt phsically and emotional pain. but like i said my opinion doesnt matter. woman will still have abortions, but i have some comfort that woman in my family and friends wont end up having a abortion again. |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | Not every person experiences abortion the same way. Just because that was your families experience doesn't mean that it's a bad idea for everyone. |
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