Abortions.
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| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | ^ Yes, embryos develop a heartbeat at a very early stage - at my nine-week ultrasouns, the little parasite had arm and leg buds and was wriggling around, and there was a very visible heartbeat. That, however, did not make it human, or conscious, or a 'baby', and if I hadn't planned it and didn't want to go through with the pregnancy, I would have had very few qualms about terminating it. Until 15 weeks or so, the fetus hasn't developed a central nervous system and therefore has no feelings, let alone thought process, so aborting it makes no difference to it as it doesn't know any better. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | ^^ It may not make a difference to it, but it wouldnt make a difference to a 3 month old baby either, or maybe a retarted child who doesnt understand what goes on around him. We should stick up for those with no voice, not destroy them. The fetus is alive when it is aborted, even if it isnt a baby, its a living being, not quite a human being, but a being none the less. People are willing to use their strenth to stick up for trees and animals, but not a living being inside a womb. I tree doesnt know the difference, though many people use their time and energy trying to protect trees, why should a tree be put before a life, or soon to be life? |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^Because trees are essential to the ecosystem, whereas embryos aren't really essential to anything. And it would make a difference to a three month old baby, as they are humans with functioning brains, emotions, and pain sensors. An embryo is alive but it doesn't have, for lack of a better word, a soul. You can't be a human without a brain. So yeah, it's alive, but so are the sperm cells men kill when they masturbate, and the egg cells that women kill when they menstruate each month, and the millions of other cells that die in our bodies each day. A tree shouldn't be more important than a human life, and neither should an embryo. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | ^^ Trees are essential. But what about Manatees, they arent essential, who cares if a big fat swimming beast goes extinct, people try to protect them. And a 3 month old baby would not know the difference if it was injected with chemicals or something and just went to sleep and never woke up. In abortion you dont stab the embryo with an axe. The 3 month old baby wouldnt feel pain, it wouldnt feel anything, it would just fall asleep and its done. It wouldnt know the difference. And Humans could never contemplate when the soul is put into being because you cant control it or contain it, its not touchable and it cant be seen. Humans cant say when a soul comes into place, only one person can know that, I think you know who Im talking about. |
| AmberHurley Fabulous Killjoy  Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 164 | im totally against abortion.. there is no point to it, if u dont want the baby someone else sure as hell will take him/her |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | NotOkay22: There's a big difference between wiping out all the manatees on the planet and killing however many embryos. And manatees are essential to their ecosystem - killing a few wouldn't do huge damage, but killing all of them would totally mess up their food web, and that's what protesters are trying to prevent. All right, you could inject a baby with chemicals so that it dies in its sleep, but you could do that to a full grown human too. The reason humans would "know the difference" (which I admit isn't the best choice of words) is because they know what it's like to be alive, to breathe and eat and feel independently, to have emotions; all the things that make us humans. No, we don't know when the soul comes in, but we know it's our brain that makes us different from other animals, so I think it's safe to assume that our soul is linked directly with our brains. Embryos don't have brains. FADExTOxBLACKx: Because going through an unwanted pregnancy and giving birth would never negatively affect a person. Nor would wondering what happened to their child for the rest of their lives, or worrying that they ended up in some abusive foster home or orphanage, which, let's be honest, is pretty likely. Yeah, none of those things would be more awful than an unconscious lump of cells dying at all. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | Fezzik: What I am saying with the manatee thing is that People care more for animals and plants over semi-people, which isn't right. Its pretty safe to call a seed a flower, because that's what it is, its just in an early stage, so why shouldn't a alive clump of cells that within a months will become a baby, not a baby. And who's to say that an embryo doesn't have a teeny tiny little brain and a soul, we just cant know these things. An adult of course would know the difference or being killed like that because he actually knows that hes being killed. A baby wouldn't know that, It would just be like another nap time. Babies are conscious of things, but their logic can grow thin, there is no way a 3 month old baby could know it was being killed...so why not kill it? |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^People also care more about semi-people over full grown people. Is that right? And I'm not even talking about the mothers here; there are millions of people dying preventable deaths in Africa and third world countries. Why don't we worry about them before we start worrying about something that can't tell the difference? And we do know it can't tell the difference, because we can see the cells in an embryo and we can see that it doesn't have any of the nerve cells required for a functioning brain. A baby wouldn't know it's being killed, but it would know what it's like to be alive. Embryos don't. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | Fezzik: But you said yourself that Embryos are alive. God loves everyone, even the small unborn embryos, so why shouldn't I? Just because someone fights for an embryo's life doesn't mean that they don't care about born people. I have been to Africa, Ive seen the starving children, I send all the money I can to charities to help children in need. I care for them, and I also care for the embryo. Of course not as much, because the embryo has no needs yet, it isn't starving or homeless, so I use most of my energy helping the born children. But when I get some free time online why not defend the soon-to-be aborted "children"? |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^Embryos are alive, but they're alive like trees and flowers are aive (even less, actually, because they can't function on their own). No feeling. No brain. As you said, why should we care more about trees and flowers than about humans? Sometimes we have to kill things to better our own lives. It's how the world works. Ninety-nine percent of the time it's not okay when you're killing a human, because humans are conscious and have fully developed brains, but it's forgiveable to kill an embryo because they aren't conscious and don't have fully developed brains. And God is irrelevent to this discussion - not everyone believes in God; why should rules based solely on Him apply to them? |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | Fezzik: I wasn't saying that you must think God is part of the discussion, I was just explaining that he is a part of my viewpoint on the matter but Ive done my best restraining it from my thoughts. Its a but selfish to just try to better our own lives by ending someone elses so called "life". Embryos do have life, they are alive, and deserve to stay that way. But like I said before a 3 month old baby had a chance at life, but it still is not conscious of its life ending, so why not kill it, it wont know the difference. The same reason why we should do our best not to kill an embryo. |
| Miss Fear Killjoy  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 5 | it's only okay if there's a complication that will kill the mother but otherwise it's murder you can always put the kid up for adoption |
| skystiles. Banned  Age: - Gender: - Posts: 13229 | Miss Fear:But what about women who have to have to work to support themselves? Pregnancy, especially in the later stages wears your body down. Who's going to work for her? |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | NotOkay22: No, it's not the same reason. We don't kill babies because they're alive and human by every definition. Embryos are only alive in the most basic sense. Yeah, it's a bit selfish, but it's better to kill something that only alive in the same sens an egg cell or a parasite is than to allow a fully-developed human to suffer. We kill things to survive. It sucks but it's necessary. |
| skystiles. Banned Age: - Gender: - Posts: 13229 | Hmm, this is a subject where I feel just about everything that can be said has been said by both sides. I've heard pro-choice and the anti-abortion("pro-life" is just a buzzword) arguments again and again and again. I am for a woman's right to have an abortion. I'm still a little iffy on late term abortions, I have to admit. I'll leave it at that. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | Fezzik: But abortion isn't always necessary, but is still performed. Abortions should only be performed when needed. If you can physically handle carrying a child, then you should, and you can give it up for adoption. Yes it may end up in an orphanage or in a bad home, and that's a terrible thing, but it still should have the chance at life. Abortions should only be performed when needed, its extremely selfish to end a life just because you were careless. I'm not saying that its always that situation, but I stand that Abortions should only happen if its NEEDED for the mothers sake. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth. Why should a woman lose her job, quite possibly some of her family and friends and her education, and have to bear the shame of advertising to the world that she got pregnant accidentally, all for the sake of something that, at the point of abortion, has no brain? I think it's far more selfish to ask a woman to sacrifice her life as she knows it for a lump of cells. Why does an embryo deserve a chance at life? An embryo is only marginally more developed than sperm and egg cells, yet no one seems to mind that they don't always get the chance to become human. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | Fezzik: When someone has sex they have to realize that even though its not likely if they use protection, its still possible. Carry the baby to term, well, because its a baby. Its YOUR baby. You don't have to keep it, you don't have to like it, but it is your baby. Try and be the least bit responsible and do whats best for it, even if its not always in your best interest. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | whoops, didnt mean to post twice. |
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