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Fezzik
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August 7th, 2007 at 10:57pm
NotOkay22:
When someone has sex they have to realize that even though its not likely if they use protection, its still possible. Carry the baby to term, well, because its a baby. Its YOUR baby. You don't have to keep it, you don't have to like it, but it is your baby. Try and be the least bit responsible and do whats best for it, even if its not always in your best interest.

But it's not a baby. That's the whole point. A baby is a human being with independent thoughts and feelings that can survive on its own (to an extent). It's conscious, it can feel pain, it's aware of the world around it. An embryo is none of those things. Yeah, one day it might become a baby - if it's not miscarried, which is common in the early stages of pregnancy. But why should a woman have to risk her whole future, or at least the next nine months of her life, just on the chance that it might?
insane clown posse.
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August 7th, 2007 at 11:56pm
NotOkay22:


When someone has sex they have to realize that even though its not likely if they use protection, its still possible. Carry the baby to term, well, because its a baby. Its YOUR baby. You don't have to keep it, you don't have to like it, but it is your baby. Try and be the least bit responsible and do whats best for it, even if its not always in your best interest.


And let's say the tables were turned here. What if a woman was raped and can not care for a child at the moment. Let's say the woman was in fact a teenager and there was a risk that she might die because she's way to young. How is that her responsibility? She didn't WANT to have the child, she didn't WANT to get raped. I think abortions are wrong and right in many different ways.
AmberHurley
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August 8th, 2007 at 01:38am
Fezzik:
NotOkay22:
^^ Trees are essential. But what about Manatees, they arent essential, who cares if a big fat swimming beast goes extinct, people try to protect them. And a 3 month old baby would not know the difference if it was injected with chemicals or something and just went to sleep and never woke up. In abortion you dont stab the embryo with an axe. The 3 month old baby wouldnt feel pain, it wouldnt feel anything, it would just fall asleep and its done. It wouldnt know the difference. And Humans could never contemplate when the soul is put into being because you cant control it or contain it, its not touchable and it cant be seen. Humans cant say when a soul comes into place, only one person can know that, I think you know who Im talking about.

There's a big difference between wiping out all the manatees on the planet and killing however many embryos. And manatees are essential to their ecosystem - killing a few wouldn't do huge damage, but killing all of them would totally mess up their food web, and that's what protesters are trying to prevent.
All right, you could inject a baby with chemicals so that it dies in its sleep, but you could do that to a full grown human too. The reason humans would "know the difference" (which I admit isn't the best choice of words) is because they know what it's like to be alive, to breathe and eat and feel independently, to have emotions; all the things that make us humans.
No, we don't know when the soul comes in, but we know it's our brain that makes us different from other animals, so I think it's safe to assume that our soul is linked directly with our brains. Embryos don't have brains.

FADExTOxBLACKx:
im totally against abortion.. there is no point to it, if u dont want the baby someone else sure as hell will take him/her

Because going through an unwanted pregnancy and giving birth would never negatively affect a person. Nor would wondering what happened to their child for the rest of their lives, or worrying that they ended up in some abusive foster home or orphanage, which, let's be honest, is pretty likely. Yeah, none of those things would be more awful than an unconscious lump of cells dying at all.


whoah jeez calm down im just stating mi opinion.... im totally against it and its obvious that you are not wat ur saying is totally true.... but i still think tht it is wrong
Fezzik
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August 8th, 2007 at 01:43am
^Sorry, I tend to over-use sarcasm. But this is the Discussion Board, so if you're going to post, you can't just state your opinions. You've got to discuss.
ChildVision
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August 8th, 2007 at 03:19pm
Yes but how is it the mothers fault??? it takes to to tango

The father could bail out much much easier then the mother has too. if i ever get pregnant when i KNOW i'm not ready to have a child or raise it then i wont think twice about aboration
AmberHurley
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August 8th, 2007 at 07:13pm
Fezzik:
^Sorry, I tend to over-use sarcasm. But this is the Discussion Board, so if you're going to post, you can't just state your opinions. You've got to discuss.


oops mi bad..... so neways its no biggy, but back to the "discussion", i do still think its murder... unborn or not i really dont think it matters because its still a really good chance that the baby will grow up in a wonderful home and achieving great things
UndyingSoul.
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August 8th, 2007 at 09:50pm
Fezzik:
NotOkay22:
When someone has sex they have to realize that even though its not likely if they use protection, its still possible. Carry the baby to term, well, because its a baby. Its YOUR baby. You don't have to keep it, you don't have to like it, but it is your baby. Try and be the least bit responsible and do whats best for it, even if its not always in your best interest.

But it's not a baby. That's the whole point. A baby is a human being with independent thoughts and feelings that can survive on its own (to an extent). It's conscious, it can feel pain, it's aware of the world around it. An embryo is none of those things. Yeah, one day it might become a baby - if it's not miscarried, which is common in the early stages of pregnancy. But why should a woman have to risk her whole future, or at least the next nine months of her life, just on the chance that it might?


But it will be a baby. A seed will be a flower, unless of course it is stepped upon or broken. An embryo will become a baby, unless it is miscarried or aborted. An embryo isn't a baby yet, it is in the first stage of becoming a baby though, so I still do not think that it deserves to die.
UndyingSoul.
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August 8th, 2007 at 09:53pm
My Dear Juliet.:
NotOkay22:


When someone has sex they have to realize that even though its not likely if they use protection, its still possible. Carry the baby to term, well, because its a baby. Its YOUR baby. You don't have to keep it, you don't have to like it, but it is your baby. Try and be the least bit responsible and do whats best for it, even if its not always in your best interest.


And let's say the tables were turned here. What if a woman was raped and can not care for a child at the moment. Let's say the woman was in fact a teenager and there was a risk that she might die because she's way to young. How is that her responsibility? She didn't WANT to have the child, she didn't WANT to get raped. I think abortions are wrong and right in many different ways.


Ive already stated in earlier posts that in cases as to put the mother in fatal harm then, it should be avoided, but if necessary should be used. I am saying that if the mother is perfectly capable of carrying the baby then she should. She doesn't have to keep it, but she should carry it. Now if a girl aborts a baby because she is afraid of humiliation, but is fully capable of carrying the child, I think that that's a somewhat selfish reason.
UndyingSoul.
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August 8th, 2007 at 09:56pm
FADExTOxBLACKx:
Fezzik:
^Sorry, I tend to over-use sarcasm. But this is the Discussion Board, so if you're going to post, you can't just state your opinions. You've got to discuss.


oops mi bad..... so neways its no biggy, but back to the "discussion", i do still think its murder... unborn or not i really dont think it matters because its still a really good chance that the baby will grow up in a wonderful home and achieving great things


I agree. I know about 30 different families that would love to adopt a child, and they are all good homes. If I ever did get pregnant again I would definitely turn the baby over to one of them. There are a lot of bad places that a baby can end up, but there are also a lot of good places.
starrysky
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August 9th, 2007 at 01:37am
Well, I imagine, you get raped and become pregnant take the abortion. Or, if you're sixteen or something like that and you have you're whole high school left to live and you have big dreams for college or something take the abortion. I mean, decide what you wanna do. This is just my opinion.
Simple and Clean
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August 9th, 2007 at 09:42pm
What about though if you found out your child would be in loads of pain in every waking moment, and would have other life defeating disabilities ?
I think if it's something like that, abortions should be aloud, because it might actually be kinder on the child.
However, I don't think you should abort a child simply because it has a disability, they can lead full lives like those with out disabilities.
Fezzik
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August 9th, 2007 at 10:04pm
^Yeah, but not all parents have the emotional strength (or money) to give a disabled child everything they need, and I don't think there are too many people who would want to adopt a disabled child.
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August 10th, 2007 at 02:39am
I am completely against abortion.
I mean, if you were responsible enough to have sex, then you're responsible enough to take care of a baby.
That's the consequences.
You need to pay for them.
Take the childcare class in school and it'll teach you not to have a baby, at least until you're ready. Trust me.

Babies are people too. They deserve a life.
And that life shouldn't be cut short just because the parents made a mistake.

It's called birthcontrol.
And adoption.
And using condoms.
And not having sex.

Be responsible. Don't abort just cos you had sex and ended up messing up.

But then again, there's the whole, 'The woman was raped and ended up pregnant.'
In that case, the woman should abort, if she wants to.
She shouldn't be punished for what someone else did just to get a quick lay.
Fezzik
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August 10th, 2007 at 02:52am
^A baby should not be a "consequence". And that's extremely unfair to the child, to be raised not by someone who loves and wants it, but by someone who's doing it to "pay the consequences". Sex is part of a healthy adult relationship. But that doesn't mean everyone who has sex is ready to have a child, emotionally or financially. Adoption's an option, yes, but not every woman has the physical and mental strength to deal with carrying a child for nine months, going through birth, giving the baby up and wondering what happened to it for the rest of her life, fielding all the awkward questions, explaining everything to all her friends and family, not to mention losing any job she might have and most likely missing out on her education if she's still in school.

Babies are people and deserve life, that's true. But embryos, which is what are aborted (not babies), aren't really people - they have no brain, and they don't feel pain - they don't know the difference if they're aborted, but the mother certainly does.

Birth control is never 100%, and women only ovulate so many days a year. Chances of getting pregnant when using birth control are low, but it can happen. That doesn't mean anyone is going to stop having sex just because they can't support a child, though, and it doesn't mean that any woman who has an abortion is irresponsible. No one wants to have an abortion, but the option has to be there. No woman should be forced to carry her pregnancy to term, give birth, and raise a child, ever.
gerards_vampire
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August 10th, 2007 at 05:25am
i against it

but if ur young and unable to look after it and ur not in ur right mind its okay

but if u go and say oh i dont want this baby because its gonna ruin my life then u shouldnt have had sex or atleast use protection

thats only what i think

im know i wouldnt have an abortion no matter what

soo yea
ChildVision
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August 10th, 2007 at 05:30am
I Very For it. Bearing a child is a horrible expeirence that could affect a teen for a long time. And Becuase the teen mother is so young she'll really be affected by the pain, And when the time comes she is ready to have a child and wants one then she will be too afraid to have one. Besides if your quite young then you might lose the baby anyway
Fezzik
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August 10th, 2007 at 05:47am
gerards_vampire:
but if u go and say oh i dont want this baby because its gonna ruin my life then u shouldnt have had sex or atleast use protection

What if the protection fails?
And everyone who isn't totally emotionally and financially ready for a child should be celibate?

Also, chatspeak isn't allowed on the Discussion Board. Read the rules before you post.
UndyingSoul.
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August 11th, 2007 at 10:14pm
^^ Like someone said before, If your mature enough to have sex in the first place then you should be mature enough to do the right thing.
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August 11th, 2007 at 10:23pm
One of my friends was raped - and just wanted rid of the baby because it would've essentially ruined her life and would have been a living reminder of her trauma. Sometimes abortions are the best option - and I'm all for it when it's necessary. But a part of me can't help but feel that its murder, and it's a life lost, but i don't feel this very strongly.
UndyingSoul.
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August 11th, 2007 at 10:27pm
Foxy_Roxy:
One of my friends was raped - and just wanted rid of the baby because it would've essentially ruined her life and would have been a living reminder of her trauma. Sometimes abortions are the best option - and I'm all for it when it's necessary. But a part of me can't help but feel that its murder, and it's a life lost, but i don't feel this very strongly.


If the baby was given up for adoption then there is a very very very good chance that you would never see it again. So yes you would see the baby after it was first born, but you probably wouldn't have to deal with anything after that. Its not the baby's fault that it's mother was raped, so why have vengeance on the baby?