Abortions.

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If the baby was given up for adoption then there is a very very very good chance that you would never see it again. So yes you would see the baby after it was first born, but you probably wouldn't have to deal with anything after that. Its not the baby's fault that it's mother was raped, so why have vengeance on the baby?"

She would've faced ridicule at school for falling pregnant (kids are cruel)- missed out on her education, and there would be a child out there that she would have KNOWN is her's really, but would have had no part in raising it and being the mum she should've been. Also she just wanted the whole experience to be over as soon as possible.

Yes it wasn't the baby's fault - but ultimately it is the mother who has to live with all this stuff.

people argue whether or not it's a real human life or not.
so some say its not murder cause it isnt human yet.
but nobody knows for sure..
i dont know about you, but i would rather not have an abortion and find out i was wrong and it wasnt even living, then have an abortion and find out that i was wrong and it was an actual human life.

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kill her baby instead of putting it up for adoption because she didnt want to go to school and get made fun of. that seems really selfish to me.

Foxy_Roxy:

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If the baby was given up for adoption then there is a very very very good chance that you would never see it again. So yes you would see the baby after it was first born, but you probably wouldn't have to deal with anything after that. Its not the baby's fault that it's mother was raped, so why have vengeance on the baby?"

She would've faced ridicule at school for falling pregnant (kids are cruel)- missed out on her education, and there would be a child out there that she would have KNOWN is her's really, but would have had no part in raising it and being the mum she should've been. Also she just wanted the whole experience to be over as soon as possible.

Yes it wasn't the baby's fault - but ultimately it is the mother who has to live with all this stuff.

So the solution is killing it? Ive seen many kids go through school pregnant, yea theres ridicule, but not nearly as much as there used to be being as so many more teenagers are falling pregnant now. Part of being a good mom (to me) would be not to kill your embryo.

eryn smith:

people argue whether or not it's a real human life or not.
so some say its not murder cause it isnt human yet.
but nobody knows for sure..
i dont know about you, but i would rather not have an abortion and find out i was wrong and it wasnt even living, then have an abortion and find out that i was wrong and it was an actual human life.

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to the above post;
kill her baby instead of putting it up for adoption because she didnt want to go to school and get made fun of. that seems really selfish to me.

Well we know that its alive. People still just dont think that its human (I disagree of course). And I agree, why take the chance of finding out that you were wrong and it really did know what was happening.

I am completely for abortion, whats better- to have a child being brought up in care or in un-satisfactory circumstances with a mother that cant cope, or the life being ended before any misery starts.

it doesn't feel anything
it doesn't move
its not anything
its shaped like a peanut
aborations are logical

CemeteryDrive123:

it doesn't feel anything
it doesn't move
its not anything
its shaped like a peanut
aborations are logical

It is something. Its alive. Its an embryo.

I agree with abortion, but only up to a certain point. In the first trimester, I think it is logical and fine. But after the first trimester, I think women should be discouraged from going through with it, because by that stage it's heart is already beating, and it's human form is starting to take shape. But, whatever. I'm prochoice, so whatever the woman decides, goes.

I'm for abortions. It's the women having the baby who will be pregnant for 9 months, and who will decide to keep the baby or put it up for adoption. The person it will effect the most is the women, so it should be her decision. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it matter what the mother thinks.

NotOkay22:

So the solution is killing it? Ive seen many kids go through school pregnant, yea theres ridicule, but not nearly as much as there used to be being as so many more teenagers are falling pregnant now. Part of being a good mom (to me) would be not to kill your embryo.

But what you have to take into account is the fact that she was only 13-14 at the time, no child that age is ready for motherhood, so having an abortion saved both her and the baby from a very tough life. I understand it is not guaranteed that they would've been unhappy, but when you were that young would you really have wanted to take that chance? The whole experience was generally upsetting for her - and having to care for a child when you yourself are a child is, well, a bit wrong.

Foxy_Roxy:

NotOkay22:

So the solution is killing it? Ive seen many kids go through school pregnant, yea theres ridicule, but not nearly as much as there used to be being as so many more teenagers are falling pregnant now. Part of being a good mom (to me) would be not to kill your embryo.

But what you have to take into account is the fact that she was only 13-14 at the time, no child that age is ready for motherhood, so having an abortion saved both her and the baby from a very tough life. I understand it is not guaranteed that they would've been unhappy, but when you were that young would you really have wanted to take that chance? The whole experience was generally upsetting for her - and having to care for a child when you yourself are a child is, well, a bit wrong.

For someone that young I can see how it would be hard to keep the baby. But I still stand that if she could physically carry the child then she would. If she gave up the child then there is no guarantee that it will have an unhappy life, it could have great life for all we know.

Fezzik:

An embryo is not a human. No one wants to kill it, but sometimes it's best for everyone. Sperm cells and egg cells are alive in the same way an embryo is - it's not killing a human when those cells die and it's not killing a human when an embryo dies, either.

But an embryo is more then both the sperm cells and the egg cells because it is both of them at once. I see an embryo as a baby in the first stage of life. Now of course if it was between a 2 month old baby and an embryo I would choose the baby, but I still see an embryo as a stage of being an infant.

NotOkay22:

For someone that young I can see how it would be hard to keep the baby. But I still stand that if she could physically carry the child then she would. If she gave up the child then there is no guarantee that it will have an unhappy life, it could have great life for all we know.

I understand that they may have been completely happy - however adoption was not what was right for her - she did not want to live with the fact that there was a child out there that was hers and that she had nothing to do with. Also if, say she put the child up for adoption, and the child had traced her in later life, they would want to know about where they came from - and where this kid came from was a rape. How would you feel if you knew that you were produced not from love, but from a violent, traumatic event?
Plus my main point is that she was a CHILD herself, I mean, is it really right for such a young girl to carry a baby of her own?

Foxy_Roxy:

NotOkay22:

For someone that young I can see how it would be hard to keep the baby. But I still stand that if she could physically carry the child then she would. If she gave up the child then there is no guarantee that it will have an unhappy life, it could have great life for all we know.

I understand that they may have been completely happy - however adoption was not what was right for her - she did not want to live with the fact that there was a child out there that was hers and that she had nothing to do with. Also if, say she put the child up for adoption, and the child had traced her in later life, they would want to know about where they came from - and where this kid came from was a rape. How would you feel if you knew that you were produced not from love, but from a violent, traumatic event?
Plus my main point is that she was a CHILD herself, I mean, is it really right for such a young girl to carry a baby of her own?

If the CHILD is able emotionally and physically to carry the baby, then yes I think they should. It sound to me that your friend wouldn't be emotionally stable enough to carry a child, so If that's the case, then it's her choice. An adopted child cant access the mother and father's information whenever they want. That's confidential stuff. If the mother doesn't want hr child to one day find her, then she makes sure the information is kept confidential. And if somehow the child finds you anyway, you can always take out a restraining order if you seriously do not want to associate with them.

NotOkay22:

But an embryo is more then both the sperm cells and the egg cells because it is both of them at once. I see an embryo as a baby in the first stage of life. Now of course if it was between a 2 month old baby and an embryo I would choose the baby, but I still see an embryo as a stage of being an infant.

An embryo is an early stage of life, yes. That's why it is sad when a woman has to have an abortion. But the embryo is at such an early stage that it isn't really human yet - like sperm and egg cells. A woman, however, is fully developed and is human, and that's why it's wrong to put the embryo's right to life above the woman's.

Fezzik:

NotOkay22:

But an embryo is more then both the sperm cells and the egg cells because it is both of them at once. I see an embryo as a baby in the first stage of life. Now of course if it was between a 2 month old baby and an embryo I would choose the baby, but I still see an embryo as a stage of being an infant.

An embryo is an early stage of life, yes. That's why it is sad when a woman has to have an abortion. But the embryo is at such an early stage that it isn't really human yet - like sperm and egg cells. A woman, however, is fully developed and is human, and that's why it's wrong to put the embryo's right to life above the woman's.

But its not right to put a womens selfishness (if she doesnt really need an abortion) above an embryo's right to life.

^ you believe what you believe. we believe in something different. accept it. we accept your opinion, accept ours.

and two, you cant put a embryo in the same level as a tumor, because a tumor will kill you, a embryo wont. they are NOT consider the same, they are NOT the same, and tumors shouldnt even be talked about on this thread.