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Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 12th, 2007 at 11:16pm you cant compare a embryo to a tumor. a tumor will be nothing, all it will do is get bigger. a embryo will grow and become a child. killing something that will be nothing is different than killing somthing that will become a living human being
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 12th, 2007 at 11:19pm ^Something that might become a living human being. In the first trimester, one in four pregnancies will miscarry. So an embryo might becoming nothing as well. And what about sperm and egg cells, then - they might become human beings as well. Is it a crime to cut their lives short as well?
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 12th, 2007 at 11:24pm our body gets rid of sperm and egg cells itself. getting a abortion is a choice YOU make, not your body. masturabation is part of a human life, killing sperm and egg is different. and no one every said abortions are a crime. we said that we prefer people to not get them. we cant stop peope from getting abortions. they're gonna do it anyway.
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 12th, 2007 at 11:30pm ^No one wants women to have abortions; I don't believe I ever said anything of the sort. All I'm saying is that I think is that it's an option that absolutely has to be available for women.
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 12th, 2007 at 11:43pm ^ and me and NotOkay22 think that if a abortion is unnecessary, then a woman shouldn't get it. due to many problems after abortions, our beliefs, and my personal reasons. if a woman has a excuse, then get it, if you're being selfish, (gone through school, it wont interfere in your job and everything else you said in your other posts so i can finally make this clear) then you should suck up and raise your child. at first it may be unwanted but after having a baby you'll may get attacted to. it its not fair that a woman has to take care of a baby, but that's the entire point of our existence, we are meant to reproduce
mcr_vimto Killjoy Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 15	August 13th, 2007 at 12:20am i think abortions are okay it is up to the mother whether she chooses to have the child or not maybe it may be a bad time or she can not handle a child but it is fine ether way.
frankies sex on legs Killjoy Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 4	August 13th, 2007 at 02:25am they're fuking killing somone its so sad...use protectiom guys...i mean it doesnt take that long
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 13th, 2007 at 02:45am Fezzik: ^No one wants women to have abortions; I don't believe I ever said anything of the sort. All I'm saying is that I think is that it's an option that absolutely has to be available for women. I think it should also be available, but used with good reason. I personally think that the choice SHOULD NOT be left up to the mother, even though its her body. People make stupid decisions, so why leave something like that up to someone who has made millions of mistakes in their life? Drugs are a stupid choice, but people use them all the time. If you can carry the child and at least give it up for adoption then abortion is a stupid choice.
DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067	August 13th, 2007 at 03:20am Why is Abortion so bad if your not even extracting a LIVING thing. What I mean is Why hurt a woman's life and add to the surplus population When there is no need? We have all discussed this. A fetus isn't always a living thing. It can become one, but so can what comes out of my vag every month. That doesn't make my period wrong, just conveniant. It's like y'all like the idea of overcrowded adoption centers, suffering women, ruining lives, and adding to unneeded problems FYI: imagine how much a hospital bill is for a birth. Think of all the poor families that have to pay that for something they don't even want. Also do note: Ultrasounds and checkups...they DO cost money.
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 13th, 2007 at 03:27am ^ so do abortions, they cost around 900 dollars (and i know that's not a whole lot). but that's not what we're talking about. me and NotOkay22 are trying to say we're NOT against abortions, but we think that they should be used responsibly. and cells are LIVING. its not a full grown baby yet, but its in a early stage
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	August 13th, 2007 at 03:31am frankies sex on legs: they're fuking killing somone its so sad...use protectiom guys...i mean it doesnt take that long We've already touched on those subjects; Protection is never 100%, It's an embryo not a human baby.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 13th, 2007 at 03:34am LoversHeartDisease: Why is Abortion so bad if your not even extracting a LIVING thing. What I mean is Why hurt a woman's life and add to the surplus population When there is no need? We have all discussed this. A fetus isn't always a living thing. It can become one, but so can what comes out of my vag every month. That doesn't make my period wrong, just conveniant. It's like y'all like the idea of overcrowded adoption centers, suffering women, ruining lives, and adding to unneeded problems FYI: imagine how much a hospital bill is for a birth. Think of all the poor families that have to pay that for something they don't even want. Also do note: Ultrasounds and checkups...they DO cost money. We like the idea of life, so we defend what lives we can.
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 13th, 2007 at 03:54am ^But unless your going to defend all lives (sperm and egg cells, parasites, plants, fungi, bacteria, etc.) what you're saying is invalid. Legal, safe, available abortions protect all human life. Limiting abortions hurts woman who will be forced to stay pregnant and raise children they don't want or properly love - not to mention what they'll probably do to themselves if they can't get an abortion legally because they don't meet the qualifications. Plus it hurts adoption agencies and foster homes that are already overcrowded enough.
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 13th, 2007 at 04:01am you're starting to make us sound like broken records. we support abortions if they have a good reason. a woman should know that birth prevention is always effective, i've heard this millions of times because i'm about to get birth control. if she wants to have sex fine, but she should already know the danger of getting pregnant.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 13th, 2007 at 04:02am Fezzik: ^But unless your going to defend all lives (sperm and egg cells, parasites, plants, fungi, bacteria, etc.) what you're saying is invalid. Legal, safe, available abortions protect all human life. Limiting abortions hurts woman who will be forced to stay pregnant and raise children they don't want or properly love - not to mention what they'll probably do to themselves if they can't get an abortion legally because they don't meet the qualifications. Plus it hurts adoption agencies and foster homes that are already overcrowded enough. I usually defend all life, but I would certainly defend a human life over a fungi's life. People will do bad things to themselves if they get pregnant, abortion or not. They dont have to raise the child. So many loving families want to adopt. Maybe while your pregnant you could find someone who the mother sees as fit parents, and do their best to find those people legal adoption custody of the child. You dont have to surrender it to an orphanage. Talk to someone who works at an orphanage, try to find someone suitable, give legal custody to the orphanage, and the orphanage can give legal custody to the adoptive parents. Its not impossible. Its not easy but its not impossible. Why not give your child at least a chance, instead if destroying it in it's growing process.
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 13th, 2007 at 04:05am Girl next door: you're starting to make us sound like broken records. we support abortions if they have a good reason. a woman should know that birth prevention is always effective, i've heard this millions of times because i'm about to get birth control. if she wants to have sex fine, but she should already know the danger of getting pregnant. But what's a "good reason", and who defines it? How can you come up with something that applies to everyone's specific situation in life? And how do you determine who's telling the truth and who's not? Women don't take the decision of abortion lightly. Most places require counseling before letting you go through with it. Granted, there are a few women who make mistakes; there always will be. But to take abortion away from everyone who doesn't meet the standards is only going to lead to back alley, dangerous, dirty, painful abortions for the women who really do need them, but can't fit someone else's qualifications. NotOkay22: I usually defend all life, but I would certainly defend a human life over a fungi's life. People will do bad things to themselves if they get pregnant, abortion or not. They dont have to raise the child. So many loving families want to adopt. Maybe while your pregnant you could find someone who the mother sees as fit parents, and do their best to find those people legal adoption custody of the child. You dont have to surrender it to an orphanage. Talk to someone who works at an orphanage, try to find someone suitable, give legal custody to the orphanage, and the orphanage can give legal custody to the adoptive parents. Its not impossible. Its not easy but its not impossible. Why not give your child at least a chance, instead if destroying it in it's growing process. Because it's not a child at that point. And not everyone can go through pregnancy; I don't know how many times I'll say it. Some woman are willing to and capable of dealing with a pregnancy and giving their child up for adoption, but it's an incredibly difficult process in all respects; not everyone is up for it and no one should be forced to do it.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 13th, 2007 at 04:11am Fezzik: Girl next door: you're starting to make us sound like broken records. we support abortions if they have a good reason. a woman should know that birth prevention is always effective, i've heard this millions of times because i'm about to get birth control. if she wants to have sex fine, but she should already know the danger of getting pregnant. But what's a "good reason", and who defines it? How can you come up with something that applies to everyone's specific situation in life? And how do you determine who's telling the truth and who's not? Women don't take the decision of abortion lightly. Most places require counseling before letting you go through with it. Granted, there are a few women who make mistakes; there always will be. But to take abortion away from everyone who doesn't meet the standards is only going to lead to back alley, dangerous, dirty, painful abortions for the women who really do need them, but can't fit someone else's qualifications. NotOkay22: I usually defend all life, but I would certainly defend a human life over a fungi's life. People will do bad things to themselves if they get pregnant, abortion or not. They dont have to raise the child. So many loving families want to adopt. Maybe while your pregnant you could find someone who the mother sees as fit parents, and do their best to find those people legal adoption custody of the child. You dont have to surrender it to an orphanage. Talk to someone who works at an orphanage, try to find someone suitable, give legal custody to the orphanage, and the orphanage can give legal custody to the adoptive parents. Its not impossible. Its not easy but its not impossible. Why not give your child at least a chance, instead if destroying it in it's growing process. Because it's not a child at that point. And not everyone can go through pregnancy; I don't know how many times I'll say it. Some woman are willing to and capable of dealing with a pregnancy and giving their child up for adoption, but it's an incredibly difficult process in all respects; not everyone is up for it and no one should be forced to do it. I don't think that you have the authority to claim its not a child. I think it is, you think it isn't. We keep going over the same things. We will NEVER agree, so why should we keep pressing each other? I'm hear to defend my opinion, not convince anyone of anything.
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 13th, 2007 at 04:16am ^So am I. And I might not have the authority, but scientists and the government do. And they say embryos don't have brains. That's proof enough for me that it's not a child, because no brain = not human.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 13th, 2007 at 04:23am Fezzik: ^So am I. And I might not have the authority, but scientists and the government do. And they say embryos don't have brains. That's proof enough for me that it's not a child, because no brain = not human. Well I think that it is human, so that is where we disagree. Scientists have claimed both sides of the argument, and for both sides have given good evidence.
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 13th, 2007 at 04:39am Fezzik: But what's a "good reason", and who defines it? How can you come up with something that applies to everyone's specific situation in life? And how do you determine who's telling the truth and who's not? Women don't take the decision of abortion lightly. Most places require counseling before letting you go through with it. Granted, there are a few women who make mistakes; there always will be. But to take abortion away from everyone who doesn't meet the standards is only going to lead to back alley, dangerous, dirty, painful abortions for the women who really do need them, but can't fit someone else's qualifications. how do we know if a woman is telling the truth or not? more of a reason for a woman to not get a abortion. and you can tell me if a persons telling the truth by looking into their eyes, its obvious to tell. and AGAIN we said that abortions SHOULD be legal but a woman should'nt get one because they made a mistake

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