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UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 15th, 2007 at 08:29pm LoversHeartDisease: Girl next door: teenagers my age hardly know how to put a condom on right. with China. i think (obviously from other post) that abortions are wrong in some cases. but what China is doing right now is pretty sick. not only are they forcing woman to get abortions for the population but they're also doing it because of the sex of the baby. when they're able to determine the sex (which is a lot earlier now thanks to studies) they're forcing a woman to abort it cause it would be a girl. its pretty disgusting Im against the sexual discrimination but the people of China can harly support the existing population. My mom went to Chin. She said that everybody lives terribly. Mainland China, where tourists are often advised not to go because of the terrible crime rate, is so poverty stricken it's sick. their population is out of control and NEEDS to be maintained. But the government should never be able to force a women to give up a child if she doesn't want to. I find it a bit sickening. There are other ways to control the population, forcing someone to abort their baby when they don't want to should not be the way to do it.
DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067	August 15th, 2007 at 08:33pm Well legally, they are controling the population. Women know how many children they are supposed to have, but mistakes do happen. There is no other way to control the population of China, especially when it's still such a sexist country where women are obligated to let men have their way with them whenever they please.
Pilgrim. Salute You in Your Grave Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 2159	August 15th, 2007 at 08:37pm ^Exactly. The other alternative for the families having another baby (or an unwanted daughter) is to abandon it. Some get to orphanages, some never make it that far. Honestly, I think that's worse than abortion.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 15th, 2007 at 08:41pm EndlessSacrifice: ^Exactly. The other alternative for the families having another baby (or an unwanted daughter) is to abandon it. Some get to orphanages, some never make it that far. Honestly, I think that's worse than abortion. Im talking about people who can love and support their babies being forced to give them up against their will.
Pilgrim. Salute You in Your Grave Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 2159	August 15th, 2007 at 09:48pm NotOkay22: Im talking about people who can love and support their babies being forced to give them up against their will. I know that, and I basically agree with you. What makes the difference here, no matter how bad or ethically wrong aborting babies might be, is the difference between Chinese and Western societies. The government in China has no other choice but limit the amount of children born in the country, because there are simply too many people there already. Yes, they might want to try and do it differently, but the current way has been going on for way too long for them to suddenly change it. Yes, it's wrong but it would be equally wrong to allow families with better income and social status to have more than one children.
DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067	August 15th, 2007 at 10:04pm And INO, you really don't know much about China do you? NO ONE but a good 5% or less of families could even fathom to support so many human beings. You really have no idea what poverty is like do you? In any case, it doesn't matter, it's not just the family. The COUNTRY cannot support it's population.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	August 15th, 2007 at 10:14pm LoversHeartDisease: And INO, you really don't know much about China do you? NO ONE but a good 5% or less of families could even fathom to support so many human beings. You really have no idea what poverty is like do you? In any case, it doesn't matter, it's not just the family. The COUNTRY cannot support it's population. Ive been to China, Ive seen the poverty, and Ive seen the overpopulation. But a lot of families have more the one child. I saw some families with up to 6 kids. What I know that stopping their government isn't going to happen anytime soon, they have almost total control over everything that goes on there. I'm saying that its wrong to force a person to get an abortion no matter where they live, they have good reasoning but what I'm saying is that I don't agree with their choice of action. By the way, stop treating my like I'm 5, this is not the first thread you've done it, just state your opinions and be done with it, you don't need to add the unneeded snooty comments.
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 15th, 2007 at 10:44pm LoversHeartDisease: Well legally, they are controling the population. Women know how many children they are supposed to have, but mistakes do happen. mistakes do happen, but China can come up with a better way of controling the population than forcing a woman to get a abortion every single time she gets pregnant. once a woman can have all of the children she can have (which is what, 2), she can get her TUBES TIED. that way she doesnt get pregnant and theres no abortion needed.
Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861	August 16th, 2007 at 07:25am Besides China, we are talking about abortion being legal or not. Obviously in other countries women aren't being forced to have abortions to control the population. Just because it is being used one way does not lump it all into one category.
Dead Inside Killjoy Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 58	August 17th, 2007 at 04:59am Well in certain situations abortion is okay, such as rape, the parents being to young to raise a child and things like that.
Cloud Strife. Banned Age: 26 Gender: Female Posts: 1713	August 17th, 2007 at 05:51am Abortion is simple really: it's practically KILLING! You are taking away the life of an innocent baby.. erm, fetus.
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 17th, 2007 at 09:34pm ^More like an unconscious unfeeling embryo. It's killing, but it's killing the same way a guy masturbating is. As for China; no one should ever be forced to have an abortion - just like no one should ever not be able to have an abortion so long as they're not too far along in their pregnancy. Forcing women to have abortions is absolutely barbaric, but it is better than leaving a fully-developed baby to die. I say this a lot but I think the best answer is education. If they bulk of the Chinese population knew how to properly use birth control and have it readily available to them, I don't think they'd be having such a problem with population.
ChildVision Really Not Okay Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 657	August 17th, 2007 at 10:14pm i totally agree with fezzik. having an aboration is no different then a man masturbating aobove a toilet. those sperm COULD of been a baby. its almost the same way of killing as an aboration
Fantasma Demolition Lover Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 16337	August 17th, 2007 at 11:02pm I disagree. In an abortion there is really a living, breathing humanbeing inside you. A real person. Do not think of the baby as something, but as someONE. I know the reasons why people do abortions and I understand. But it still feels so absolutely bad, so deeply bad and hurting, to know that someone just lost his or her chance to live. Should we even have the ability to decide on someone`s life? Masturbating is something you lose your sperm or whatever the thing is called, but it doesn`t matter if you masturbate. If the stuff doesn`t get you pregnant but is wasted on masturbating, the exactly same stuff will still possibly get someone pregnant. Eventually. The same stuff. It is just a matter of time. It`s a bit difficult to explain exatly what i mean because English is not my first language but I at least tried to make my point clear.
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 18th, 2007 at 02:47am ^A baby is someone, but an embryo is not. It has no brain. Our brains are what make us people. Without brains, embryos aren't people, aren't someone at all. Masturbating is just the same as having an abortion - an embryo is a bit more developed, but not by much. Each sperm cell is unique; each could make a different person if it had the chance - but they don't.
Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416	August 18th, 2007 at 03:20am ^ wrong. a embryo is nothing like a sperm. a embryo is sperm and egg, its developed by fair. to you its not a baby, but in the minds of people against abortion, they consider a embryo a baby in a early stage, cause thats what it is. we have reasons to believe this, some scientific some personal. if you saw it through my our eyes you'd relieze that. through this whole thread we've been saying the same exact thing. your conversations with the people who are against are going NOWHERE.
DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067	August 18th, 2007 at 04:00am Im shocked that you have been to China and still don't get it's poverty issue INO ^^ Tell me, did you go to mainland China or stay in a place that Americans are warned not to go (IE anywhere that is not a major city with heavy American infuence) Birth Control is more expensive then an abortion. Once again, it's about what these people can afford. For the mothers, it is tragic, but it's the cheepest, most functional way for that country to save their country I agree, this conversation is going in circles. But ONCE AGAIN, it's not thinking. it has no heart rate. An embryo and a sperm just as FUNCTIONAL as eachother, only mommy got penetrated.
ChildVision Really Not Okay Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 657	August 18th, 2007 at 04:38am yes but i COULD have been a baby if a young teen gets pregant their is a very good chance it might not make the nine months...and maybe the mother wouldn't either
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	August 18th, 2007 at 05:03am ^Exactly; one in every four pregnancies in the first three months is miscarried. People can believe in life from conception if they want, but basic human thought is against them. We are people because of our brains, and science has shown that embryos don't have brains. If you want to believe an embryo is a person, you can, but you can't force the ramifications of that belief on people - it's like believing in God; not everyone can just accept things without solid proof. And I apologize; I misspoke. Masturbation is not exactly the same as abortion, but it is pretty similar. Much, much more comparable than killing a human, at least scientifically.
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	August 18th, 2007 at 06:39am Girl next door: ^ tell that to China. they dont get that we need girls and boys. they just care about guys, girls are considered a waste to them. we've been trying to explain that without a girl there will be no boys later on. they just wont listen. No, I think they don't want girls so that there will be less women to have sex. Get it? Less women to have sex, less possibility of pregnancy. Even though I think it's wrong, I kind of get what they were thinking. Though, I don't think It'll help.

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