Abortions.

XD actually, because they are so male focused they will have a whole generation of single men. They say that over 60% of this specific generation will be single or marry someone MUCH younger then them. Now they are starting to take women more seriously in the sense that they realize that without them their country is pretty much screwed, so I know as of now they are beginning to more equally balance the number of male/female children they keep.

Fezzik:

^Exactly; one in every four pregnancies in the first three months is miscarried.

People can believe in life from conception if they want, but basic human thought is against them. We are people because of our brains, and science has shown that embryos don't have brains. If you want to believe an embryo is a person, you can, but you can't force the ramifications of that belief on people - it's like believing in God; not everyone can just accept things without solid proof.

And I apologize; I misspoke. Masturbation is not exactly the same as abortion, but it is pretty similar. Much, much more comparable than killing a human, at least scientifically.

like you said, you don't think of it as a human, but i do. i consider something alive because it is alive. just cause there's no brain function doesn't mean its not alive or its not a human. someone in a coma has very little brain activity, but does that mean he/she isn't alive? I'm against abortions due to nightmares to problems with my family. I'm not saying a abortion is wrong, I'm saying that in some cases it is tome.

LoversHeartDisease:

Im shocked that you have been to China and still don't get it's poverty issue INO ^^

INO22 gets poverty, alright, there's better ways of handling things. we're saying that birth control is more expensive than a abortion but a woman cant keep on getting a abortion every time she gets pregnant. eventually all those abortion will add up to twice the amount of getting her tubes tied, and you cant tell a woman to not have sex and condoms don't always work. getting her tubes tied is a easier way to go, its easier on the woman emotionally, and she doesn't have to worry about a future pregnancy.

See, heres where I get lost. If a fetus in it's very early forms is really , besides in appearence, no more then an extra appendage on a woman (Literally), and has no life of it's own, how can you concider it alive. It's alive when it has a heartbeat and brainwave patterns. In it's first stages a fetus is 100% really just a growing body part. Now why go through all of that trouble and pain (for the woman), the costs and the struggles of knowing she is carring something that she wants to toss away and resents, when you could just take the appandage out, much like taking out tonsals (sp?). To put someone through all of that pain and agony for something that isn't even a functional living being is immoral. That's why abortions are legal. If you don't like the idea, then don't get one, but I hope to God that your beliefs never affect the way this country is being governed or we are in a hell of a lot of trouble.

& We play God everyday. If we didn't the average lifespan would be so that 30 is an old man.

LoversHeartDisease:

Im shocked that you have been to China and still don't get it's poverty issue INO ^^ Tell me, did you go to mainland China or stay in a place that Americans are warned not to go (IE anywhere that is not a major city with heavy American infuence)

Birth Control is more expensive then an abortion. Once again, it's about what these people can afford. For the mothers, it is tragic, but it's the cheepest, most functional way for that country to save their country


I agree, this conversation is going in circles.

But ONCE AGAIN, it's not thinking. it has no heart rate. An embryo and a sperm just as FUNCTIONAL as eachother, only mommy got penetrated.

But I must agree with Fezzik that in any situation forcing a women to abort her baby against her will is barbaric. People keep saying that the women should be able to choose what she wants with her body, so why don't you think a Chinese women should have that right also? They don't have that right, but they should!

LoversHeartDisease:

Now why go through all of that trouble and pain (for the woman), the costs and the struggles of knowing she is carring something that she wants to toss away and resents, when you could just take the appandage out, much like taking out tonsals (sp?).

Because it was her desicion to have sex. It's her responsibility.

LoversHeartDisease:

See, heres where I get lost. If a fetus in it's very early forms is really , besides in appearence, no more then an extra appendage on a woman (Literally), and has no life of it's own, how can you concider it alive. It's alive when it has a heartbeat and brainwave patterns. In it's first stages a fetus is 100% really just a growing body part. Now why go through all of that trouble and pain (for the woman), the costs and the struggles of knowing she is carring something that she wants to toss away and resents, when you could just take the appandage out, much like taking out tonsals (sp?). To put someone through all of that pain and agony for something that isn't even a functional living being is immoral. That's why abortions are legal. If you don't like the idea, then don't get one, but I hope to God that your beliefs never affect the way this country is being governed or we are in a hell of a lot of trouble.

& We play God everyday. If we didn't the average lifespan would be so that 30 is an old man.

you're making motherhood seem like its a bad thing. motherhood's hard, but its rewarding. people are alive for one reasons, to REPRODUCE.

by the way birth is very painful, but not the most painful thing in the world. there are way to help the pain during birth other than drugs. wonder why the tell you do to breathing exercises? it calms you down. why the nurse or someone in your family rubs your lower back? you feel contractions there and it helps with the pain.

babies are precious to many people, just cause they're not to you, doesn't mean its not to them. TH ATS why people are against abortion. they see a embryo as a BABY and people love babies. that's why people see that if a abortion isn't completely necessary, than its wrong. but our government wont change anything about abortions, and we except it, we just still in think that the easy way out is wrong.

there i just said everything that me and many other people have over and over again through the whole thread, and put it in one post for you. some people's religions are against abortion but all ot THIS is the main reason people are against. and i know why you are for it, i've seen the same exact post 50 times, i dont want to see it again.

but its not a person
IT DOES NOT have rights
its not living
its not doing anything
and may be harmful to the mother
WHO IS A HUMAN
and does have rights
and whatever she decides is her decision
period

its doesn't matter. to people against we think that its selfish to get a abortion as the easy way out. its saying you don't want to take responsibility for what you've done. if you are ready to have sex and you know what'll happen, you are ready to support a child
period.
it is
her decision though
I NEVER SAID IT WASN'T
I SAID I PREFER WOMAN NOT HAVE ABORTIONS
but like I've said 50 TIMES ALREADY
I CANT STOP A WOMAN FROM GETTING A ABORTION
AND I EXCEPT IT
I'm stating MY opinion, MY beliefs

Girl next door:

its doesn't matter. to people against we think that its selfish to get a abortion as the easy way out. its saying you don't want to take responsibility for what you've done. if you are ready to have sex and you know what'll happen, you are ready to support a child
period.
it is
her decision though
I NEVER SAID IT WASN'T
I SAID I PREFER WOMAN NOT HAVE ABORTIONS
but like I've said 50 TIMES ALREADY
I CANT STOP A WOMAN FROM GETTING A ABORTION
AND I EXCEPT IT
I'm stating MY opinion, MY beliefs

well maybe the mother went through some really hard shit and didn't want a child to suffer to? i mean there are selfish reasons to get an abortion, but that woman will still do it if she wants. it's sad to see some woman piss all over the fact that she can create something that can do so much good, but how do you know that baby won't grow up to be a crimanal? Studies have shown that unwanted children, 80 percent of the time grow up and get into crime, drugs, stuff like that and because of abortions, the crime rate in New York city has gone down. but it's good that you stand by your beliefs, but other people need to live thier lives. most women who have an abortion, will regret it later, or possible will never be able to have a baby agian because of it. if you ever read any of the Postsecrets books, it never ceases to amaze me how many people write in saying they'll always regret getting an abortion or letting their partner get an abortion, very rarely do you see someone say that they had one or more abortions and felt no guilt, but there are a few poeple who said that.
sorry for my rambleing,

Girl next door:

its doesn't matter. to people against we think that its selfish to get a abortion as the easy way out. its saying you don't want to take responsibility for what you've done. if you are ready to have sex and you know what'll happen, you are ready to support a child
period.

It is a living thing. It's made up of cells, it's growing, it's alive. And abortions are hardly done for the medical safety of the mother.

CemeteryDrive123:

but its not a person
IT DOES NOT have rights
its not living
its not doing anything
and may be harmful to the mother
WHO IS A HUMAN
and does have rights
and whatever she decides is her decision
period

It is living. It is in the first form of a person. It is doing something, its growing and becoming someone like you or me. And if it wont be harmful to the mother, then it shouldn't be performed in my opinion. I don't care how "human" it is, it's human enough for people like me to not want it destroyed.

Girl next door:

LoversHeartDisease:

See, heres where I get lost. If a fetus in it's very early forms is really , besides in appearence, no more then an extra appendage on a woman (Literally), and has no life of it's own, how can you concider it alive. It's alive when it has a heartbeat and brainwave patterns. In it's first stages a fetus is 100% really just a growing body part. Now why go through all of that trouble and pain (for the woman), the costs and the struggles of knowing she is carring something that she wants to toss away and resents, when you could just take the appandage out, much like taking out tonsals (sp?). To put someone through all of that pain and agony for something that isn't even a functional living being is immoral. That's why abortions are legal. If you don't like the idea, then don't get one, but I hope to God that your beliefs never affect the way this country is being governed or we are in a hell of a lot of trouble.

& We play God everyday. If we didn't the average lifespan would be so that 30 is an old man.

you're making motherhood seem like its a bad thing. motherhood's hard, but its rewarding. people are alive for one reasons, to REPRODUCE.

by the way birth is very painful, but not the most painful thing in the world. there are way to help the pain during birth other than drugs. wonder why the tell you do to breathing exercises? it calms you down. why the nurse or someone in your family rubs your lower back? you feel contractions there and it helps with the pain.

babies are precious to many people, just cause they're not to you, doesn't mean its not to them. TH ATS why people are against abortion. they see a embryo as a BABY and people love babies. that's why people see that if a abortion isn't completely necessary, than its wrong. but our government wont change anything about abortions, and we except it, we just still in think that the easy way out is wrong.

there i just said everything that me and many other people have over and over again through the whole thread, and put it in one post for you. some people's religions are against abortion but all ot THIS is the main reason people are against. and i know why you are for it, i've seen the same exact post 50 times, i dont want to see it again.

100% agreed.

illustrated_romance:

well maybe the mother went through some really hard shit and didn't want a child to suffer to? i mean there are selfish reasons to get an abortion, but that woman will still do it if she wants. it's sad to see some woman piss all over the fact that she can create something that can do so much good, but how do you know that baby won't grow up to be a crimanal? Studies have shown that unwanted children, 80 percent of the time grow up and get into crime, drugs, stuff like that and because of abortions, the crime rate in New York city has gone down. but it's good that you stand by your beliefs, but other people need to live thier lives. most women who have an abortion, will regret it later, or possible will never be able to have a baby agian because of it. if you ever read any of the Postsecrets books, it never ceases to amaze me how many people write in saying they'll always regret getting an abortion or letting their partner get an abortion, very rarely do you see someone say that they had one or more abortions and felt no guilt, but there are a few poeple who said that.
sorry for my rambleing,

i understand that. but becoming a criminal is a possibility. you don't know if they will become a great leader, scientist, etc. i think that unwanted children grow up to be criminals are really only if the mother walks up and tells them everyday 'you're worthless, i should have just got rid of you', its really the mothers fault and i think she should've just put the kid up for adoption if she hated it so much. if a woman cant have a child for various reasons then she should get a abortion, but if she just doesn't want it i think she should have it and put it up for adoption, but a woman will do what she wants regardless of what i say, so I'm pretty useless.

with the guilt. I've tried to explain PAS to people on my other posts. they seem to think that not because everyone goes through it, then it must not really happen, when really it happens a lot. I've gotten into huge arguments over it, because people don't seem to get that abortion put woman through a lot of emotional stress and guilt. but thank you for reminding me of this.

now I'm rambling

Girl next door:

by the way birth is very painful, but not the most painful thing in the world. there are way to help the pain during birth other than drugs. wonder why the tell you do to breathing exercises? it calms you down. why the nurse or someone in your family rubs your lower back? you feel contractions there and it helps with the pain.

Gah, ever given birth, sweetie?
Methinks not.
The breathing exercises are designed not to help 'calm you down', but to stop you pushing before your perineum has stretched sufficiently to allow the head through without tearing. Drugs as pain relief are a complete joke, as is heat packs, back massage, etc. I was looking forward to demanding horus of back rubs from my husband during labour, but the second he put his hand on my back I screamed at him to leave me alone - it only made the pain worse. And 'painful, but not the most painful thing in the world'?! Oh God. Talk to me again when you've just squeezed an 8lb baby through your snatch.

Back on topic, I'm aware we've said it a thousand times over, but I still stand by the view that abortion is much preferable to a life lived in poverty, abuse or neglect, or a foster home or orphanage, knowing that you were unwanted. Yes, some may believe that life begins at conception, but science tells us that while technically it may, in reality it doesn't really equal squat. Someone said before, 'consider the fetus' rights' hey, what the hell happened to MY rights? Surely people should have a right to choose, and if you believe that life begins at conception, or that abortion is 'playing God', then you have the right to choose NOT to have an abortion. However, does that mean that somebody who doesn't believe in God, or doesn't believe that an embryo is a human, should be denied their right to the lifestyle they want or have worked towards, because one group of people believe otherwise?
Abortion should remain legal - if you think it's murder, then breed, breed, breed, and don't go to the clinic, that's your choice. Mine, however, as a married woman with one child and nowhere near a million dollars in the bank, is to use birth control, and if it fails, to make a decision according to where my husband and I are at in our life - and if we can't afford to raise another child, or it was going to be born disabled, we'd terminate in order to allow the daughter we already have, and us, the opportunity to continue our lives as planned, instead of struggling.

i never said abortion should be illegal, i said that i prefer woman to not have a abortions because I HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH IT, PERSONAL AND FAMILY.
i cant stop a woman from getting a abortion, I've said it hundreds of time,if she wants it, she'll get it.
God has nothing to do with this conversation. some people are against it for religion, I AM NOT.
i said that there are better ways of preventing a woman from getting a abortion every time she gets pregnant.

and by the way, there ARE more painful things than birth. me and MANY PEOPLE would agree. call me when you've gone through what me, my mom, my grandma, and OVER 3/4 of the population has gone through.
my grandma had 5 kids and said she'd rather have all of them coming out of the same hole at the same time than to go what we've gone through.

i would vote for them, but just cause one person voted for them doesnt mean they'll win.
by posting here i'm stating that i WISH women would only get abortions for rape or incest, but just because i wish for something doesnt mean its gonna happen. the world doesnt revolve around me, so i know abortions wont become illegal, and even if they did woman would still get them. i dont like the thought of woman getting a abortion, but i would rather her get one when its actually safe.

Girl next door:

babies are precious to many people, just cause they're not to you, doesn't mean its not to them. TH ATS why people are against abortion. they see a embryo as a BABY and people love babies. that's why people see that if a abortion isn't completely necessary, than its wrong. but our government wont change anything about abortions, and we except it, we just still in think that the easy way out is wrong.

Just because I would like the option to have an abortion, does not mean I hate babies! I love babies, but I don't need my own (especially be forced to have one) to show I "love them." Also, are you saying somebody should keep their baby for other people? Or that babies are precious to other babies?
And if you think abortion is an "easy way out," you are so wrong. How is having a baby taken out from you easy? It's probably one of the most scary things a woman could subject herself to, even if it is to better her life in the log run.