Abortions.
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| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | COPPA!: first off i never said that if you get a abortion that you hate babies. i said that people are against abortion because the love babies and do see a embryo as a baby weither you think it is or not. i'm saying that its her choice, but somehow i dont think its fair for the baby, embryo or not. the 'easy way out' is how you describe a abortion that isnt nessecary. a abortion isnt easy, but there are a lot of woman who get them just cause they hate the fact of having to care for something (not all woman are like this, i know, but there are some. and i'm not saying that every woman who gets a abortion thinks like this). |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^And those women who hate the idea of caring for someone are really ideal mothers? Are even ideal to take care of their bodeis for nine months and give a child up for adoption? |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | AND back to the beginning of the conversation! round and round we go! OK they are NOT ideal mothers. but i think that it was pretty dumb of them to have unprotected sex and just say 'oh I'm pregnant,I'll get a abortion and i don't have to worry about it'. they had sex, got pregnant for whatever reason, and don't want it because they don't want to care for it, they should know what it feels like to have that happen to their body and give it up for adoption. and MAYBE they'll be more careful next time. its may not be fair to have to give birth for one mistake, but what goes around, comes around, deal with it! (sorry for being rude, but our conversation has been going around in a circle, i said the same thing in what, 3 other posts?) |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^I don't think there's anyone out there who takes getting an abortion that lightly. And I'd say it's a relatively small percentage of women getting abortions who got pregnant because they chose to have unprotected sex. Yeah, there are some irresponsible women out there - but most of them are women whose protection failed them, or who were pressured into doing something like drink too much or whatever, or who are just uneducated on using birth control properly. And forcing a women to go through pregnancy and birth to teach her a lesson on being irresponsible is just as barbaric - if not more - as a Chinese woman being forced to have an abortion to control the population. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | like i said we're saying the EXACT SAME THING AS WE DID IN THE BEGINNING! you say that making her go through is pregnancy is barbaric, i say its unfair. but then again, life's unfair. the best you do is suck it up, give birth, if you don't want it put it up for adoption or find a unfertile couple who want to raise a baby and give it to them after you give birth. its may be hard to give up a baby, but you didn't want it give it to them. its better than getting a abortion i can tell you that. and the 'taking it lightly', i know no one takes it as lightly as i said. i wrote that cause i cant, and WONT write ' I'm pregnant *cry* *sob* *sniffle*. its a waste of my time and yours, i write something done fast and get my point out. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | i understand if a woman cant have a baby and her birth control failed. i dont think its right for spoiled teenagers to get a abortion because they couldnt keep their pants on! its stupid and wrong! have the kid its your fault! |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^Right. Well, I don't know what kind of world you live in, but here when things are unfair and you can change them, you do. If everyone just gave up and said "Well, it's unfair, but I guess I'll just suck it up," we'd still be living in the Dark Age. It's unfair that a woman is forced to carry her pregnancy to term and if she can do something about it that will make her life better without causing anyone else any pain (becuase person or not, an embryo can't feel pain), why shouldn't she do it? |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | If you have sex your not irresponsible, and don't deserve to be forced to have a child. What the hell is so irresponsible about expressing your love to your partner. Whether a woman choses to get an anortion or not, her choice should be respected and not looked down by those that are too holier then thou to realize how terrible pregnancy can be for ANY sort of woman: rich or poor, sick or healthy. Every woman I know that has had an abortion had a hard time making the choice, or at least second guessed herself. I think you are the ones taking abortion lightly...well..birth lightly. You act like "just having a child and putting it uo for adoption" is so very easy. It's not ^^ And there are enough children in the world for infertile couples. Thats why we have such a shitty overpopulation issue, and why so many orphans are growing up without a family to ever adopt them. It's NOT better then having an abortion. It's putting yourself though pain and aiding a serious problem that the world is suffering from as we speak. From the book Population Bomb & Author himself Between 1961 and 1998, the population of the world went from about 3 billion to about 6 billion people.[175] During the same period, the amount of available food per person increased by 24% As of 1997, 78% of the starving young children (5 years of age or younger) in the world live in countries that have food surpluses and export them to other nations Between 1959 and 1962, somewhere between 25 and 30 million Chinese people starved to death and this is with legal abortions in all olf the world's leading countries Ignoring this is like ignoring global warming: conveniant for your and your beliefs now, but in the years to come, it will be the world's downfall. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | LoversHeartDisease: having sex is not irresponsible. having sex young is irresponsible. having sex without protection or knowing that the protection doesn't always work is irresponsible. I'm not taking it lightly. if i took it lightly why the hell would i be arguing with you about it? i never said it was easy. how many times do i have to say it before you get it! birth is hard and painful but not the most thing in the world! some infertile couples want to raise a child from the start. and like abortion wont put a woman through pain. abortion causes guilt and nightmares in a lot of woman. ask the woman who've had a abortion and i bet 4/5 of the group will tell you they have had depression or nightmares from it. and there are better ways to handle our population issue then abortion. abortion is considered a last resort. if a woman does not want to have anymore children the smart thing to do is to get her tubes tied or have her lover get a vasectomy(sp?). scientist are trying to come up with better birth control so woman don't have to worry about getting pregnant till they are ready to be. having a abortion every time you get pregnant is dumb and irresponsible. one time is fine but getting pregnant four times and aborting them all! |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^How many women really do that, though? A small percentage, maybe - but restricting abortion (which I know you say you'd never do, but if you'd vote for someone who would, you obviously support it) takes it away from all women, not just ones you consider irresponsible. |
| Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner  Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861 | Here is where you run into a pickle, having sex young and using protection vs. having sex at an appropriate age and also using protection. Say protection fails for both of the situations... Age should be irrelevant in this situation. Saying you are a 16 year old slut for having sex is stupid, just based on age. People are going to have sex, and people are going to get pregnant. Abortion should still be available to all. I was getting fed up with the, "don't have sex at sixteen... sixteen year olds are stupid and don't use protection," comments. |
| ChildVision Really Not Okay  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 657 | ..i dont think their are selfish reasons to get aborations if i ever got pregnat then i would prob be laughed at school i would be terrified of the pain of birth and my parents would probably be very disapointed in me i would not even think twice...i volunenteer at a hostpital and i see everyday pregnat teenagers scared as fuck coming in for check ups. heh i suppose some people would be brave enough but..in my teen years a baby is the last thing i want to be worried about |
| ChildVision Really Not Okay Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 657 | ugh sorry im spamming but i forgot to mention in above but if you get pregant it does not mean you have been irraispnsible (my spelling sucks im sorry) condoms can break easily. Plus why are we not talking about the fathers? |
| druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1671 | CemeteryDrive123: I have. To to the extent that I don't believe he should have any rights regarding abortion. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | druscilla; ryry: Though its a bit harsh to tell a guy that he has no say in the life of his own baby. It should be the mother's choice, but shutting out the father completely... What if the father could give the baby a great life, but the mother just doesn't want to have the kid? I find that totally unfair because if the father wants to take care of and love his baby, why not let him? Yea, birth is no easy task, but without the father, the baby in question would not even exist. I still say its mother's decision, but if the father is willing to take care of the baby full time, then the mother should at least talk to him. |
| Elwood. Fabulous Killjoy  Age: - Gender: - Posts: 125 | While I am 100% pro-choice, I still think abortion should be treated with caution and be done only if it is the best choice for the mother. The mother needs to understand that she is ending the life of her unborn child. Using abortion as a form of last-minute birth control is both dangerous and irresponsible. However, if you are not prepared for or do not want the child, I see no reason to put the child through a life where the parent/parents will not be able to provide them with everything a child needs. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | NotOkay22: yeah. why shouldnt the father have a say in it? its his DNA too. if the father is willing and wants to have the child why doesnt the mother just give birth and give it him? its not fair that men have not say in this conversation. its her choice but if the father has a problem with it they deserve to talk. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^I wouldn't say leave the father totally out of the picture, but ultimately the responsibility always falls on the mother. And, for the 80 zillionth time, just in case you forgot, pregnancy is basically one of the hardest things you can go through, even if you want the child. Personally, if I was pregnant right now and had no desire to have the child whatsoever, I wouldn't want to be an incubator for nine months for a guy who only thinks he wants and could handle a child. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | excuse me? birth may be hard but (for the hundredth time!) is rewarding. and why not? you let the guy shove himself inside you, it created the kid, why not do it for him if he wants it? how is it that the all the responsibility falls on the mother, it takes 2. without the mans sperm there is no baby, so the responsibility is with him too, NOT just the mothers. if i was pregnant i would have the kid. hell even if i was raped I'd still have the kid! but that's me, other woman wouldnt be able to handle it but i would. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^Well, that's great for you. But the way our society is, mothers almost always end up with legal responsibility for the kids. And yeah, carrying a child to term is rewarding - when you want the kid. Surrogate mothers have to be paid tens of thousands of dollars to sacrifice their bodies like that (unless the surrogate is really close to the couple). If you don't want a child, you don't want to throw your body and life into total havoc for nine months, and you are not among those who believe life begins at conception, why shouldn't you have an abortion? |
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