Abortions.

What I mean is that these arn;t just whores having sex randomly. They are responsible people too.

Humans are one of two animals that have sex for pleasure. Pleasure. Clearly we arn't just supposed to make babies with sex, otherwise we would breed like other animals and not worry about sex afterwords.

A healthy couple is supposed to have sex. Once again, what your really saying is that you shouldn't have sex unless you want a child, because apparently even people who do their best to take percaution have to pay the price. Abortion has been around just about as long as humans have. couples have been having them since before jesus walked the earth (oh, and trust me, before it was legal, it was BRUTAL)

If that's how you want your sex life, where you have to pay a price for making love, then fine, that's your dealio.

I personally am planning on having sex with my boyfriend very soon, and when I do, I will be on birth control, and will be talking to my mother about abortion options for safety. I don't want to be a 17 year old mother, but I do want the chance to share every bit of myself with My boyfriend before I leave the state, and I should be able to not worrying about being a teenage mommy.

Excuse me? Just because you believe that getting rid of a bloody appendage is wrong doesn't mean it is. Don't weigh morallity that way and suggest that those who get abortions are indefinately making a bad choice. That's not really up to you to decide.

Don't repeat me attempting to use a form of brutal irony. Abortion is still wonderfully legal. Everyone has the chance to fix their mistakes. You lose.

LoversHeartDisease:

What I mean is that these arn;t just whores having sex randomly. They are responsible people too.

Humans are one of two animals that have sex for pleasure. Pleasure. Clearly we arn't just supposed to make babies with sex, otherwise we would breed like other animals and not worry about sex afterwords.

A healthy couple is supposed to have sex. Once again, what your really saying is that you shouldn't have sex unless you want a child, because apparently even people who do their best to take percaution have to pay the price. Abortion has been around just about as long as humans have. couples have been having them since before jesus walked the earth (oh, and trust me, before it was legal, it was BRUTAL)

If that's how you want your sex life, where you have to pay a price for making love, then fine, that's your dealio.

I personally am planning on having sex with my boyfriend very soon, and when I do, I will be on birth control, and will be talking to my mother about abortion options for safety. I don't want to be a 17 year old mother, but I do want the chance to share every bit of myself with My boyfriend before I leave the state, and I should be able to not worrying about being a teenage mommy.

Excuse me? Just because you believe that getting rid of a bloody appendage is wrong doesn't mean it is. Don't weigh morallity that way and suggest that those who get abortions are indefinately making a bad choice. That's not really up to you to decide.

Don't repeat me attempting to use a form of brutal irony. Abortion is still wonderfully legal. Everyone has the chance to fix their mistakes. You lose.

We lose...? Against who? You? Yea right. You cant just tell us that we lose and expect that we are just going to say "oh ok, we were wrong, you were right". No.

And no, not everyone has a chance to fix their mistakes. Everyone should have that chance, but that's not the way the world works.

We know that it isn't just whores who have sex, but there sure as heck are a lot of whores going around having sex. We know that responsible people have gotten pregnant, and it isn't always their fault. But abortion shouldn't always be the one thing that people turn to (because lets face it, most people do turn to abortion the second they find out they are pregnant).

I understand having sex without wanting a child. Hello? Ive had sex before, and Ive had an abortion before! Sex is part of a healthy relationship, and its smart for you to use what resources you have to not get pregnant, but with sex comes massive responsibility, pregnant or not.

And its not up to you to decide who's right and who's wrong either. So that whole "you lose" comment is completely unnecessary.

if sex didnt feel good no one would have it, and our existance would crumbling.

if you read what i said, some people have abortions some dont, but it doesnt make either one right.

birth control is one thing, but getting a abortion is another.
and i never said that having sex means getting a child. i said i dont think its right that you get a abortion because you werent more careful. birth control is to prevent a pregnancy, a abortion is a last resort, when you panic cause you know you cant have a child for whatever reason. not because you're married and you just dont feel like having a kid.

i dont like the idea of people getting abortions, but like i said above if you really read it, having a kid could be a bad choice and getting a abortion could be a bad choice. and thank you i already knew abortions have been going on forever, and i know they were brutal.

good for you! i have a boyfriend too, and i plan on having sex too, i'll have birth control too, but if i get pregnant i'll be looking for baby clothes while you be in a clinic with a doctor between your legs.

and just because you believe that getting rid of that 'bloody appendage' is right, doesnt mean it is.

and you repeat everyone and make a brutal comment too. and like Fezzik said theres people out there against abortion and if we vote for someone to take charge and make abortion illegal we can. no ones lost yet honey, the battle is still going on! Bush's time is almost up, and someone new will step up, maybe abortions will be illegal sooner than you think.

No, girl next door's attempt to make an ironic final statement to mirror mine l lost *rolls eyes*

Yes, many people turn to abortion, but that's not a terribly bad thing at all. I know a few couples that have tried the male equel to getting your tubes tied, and that's pretty cool, but fact is that sort of treatment is lesser known to the public, and in many cases, shunned as abortion is. Abortion is a more dramatic option with the same result. It has nothing to do with the fetus, I would just prefer the idea of this treatment because it is less painful for the girls, but meh. It's new. All in good time.

I think we have all agreed that even using all your recources doesn't always work. Even the safest couples can get unlucky.

I didn't decide anything about right or wrong. Girl Next Door did. I just told her the same thing you just told me

@ GND

Actually, once again, all but two creatures have sex for reproduction. It's just part of instinct. The fact that we do it for pleasure is a bit different in the animal world

Exactly. Its a panic and a last resort. you wouldn't believe how aware teens are these days. I know 14 year olds on birth control. Girls are doing their part to stop accidents now more then ever.
But there are many people who cannot afford Birth Control, and thats where you have a problem

XD I never said that just because I thought having an abortion is right means that it is. I believe it depends on the person. Some people can't take the idea of ridding a fetus from her body, and that's their future problem. Some people are willing to go through with it, and they should be left alone regardless of how the thing got there.

Hopefully, that will never happen, and I doubt it will in the future unless someone comes in so conservative that the country blows up. Hopefully most voters will stick to the idea that regardless of how THEY feel about abortion, in the end, it's none of their damn business, and it never should be.

LoversHeartDisease:

No, girl next door's attempt to make an ironic final statement to mirror mine l lost *rolls eyes*

Yes, many people turn to abortion, but that's not a terribly bad thing at all. I know a few couples that have tried the male equel to getting your tubes tied, and that's pretty cool, but fact is that sort of treatment is lesser known to the public, and in many cases, shunned as abortion is. Abortion is a more dramatic option with the same result. It has nothing to do with the fetus, I would just prefer the idea of this treatment because it is less painful for the girls, but meh. It's new. All in good time.

I think we have all agreed that even using all your recources doesn't always work. Even the safest couples can get unlucky.

I didn't decide anything about right or wrong. Girl Next Door did. I just told her the same thing you just told me

@ GND

Actually, once again, all but two creatures have sex for reproduction. It's just part of instinct. The fact that we do it for pleasure is a bit different in the animal world

Exactly. Its a panic and a last resort. you wouldn't believe how aware teens are these days. I know 14 year olds on birth control. Girls are doing their part to stop accidents now more then ever.
But there are many people who cannot afford Birth Control, and thats where you have a problem

XD I never said that just because I thought having an abortion is right means that it is. I believe it depends on the person. Some people can't take the idea of ridding a fetus from her body, and that's their future problem. Some people are willing to go through with it, and they should be left alone regardless of how the thing got there.

Hopefully, that will never happen, and I doubt it will in the future unless someone comes in so conservative that the country blows up. Hopefully most voters will stick to the idea that regardless of how THEY feel about abortion, in the end, it's none of their damn business, and it never should be.

Well I think that other options then abortion and adoption (which there are quite a few) should start to be discussed between peoples and the knowledge of them should spread. It can only do good. With science still progressing at such a rate I have no doubt that in the next generations their will be many different ways to prevent pregnancy that don't have to do with destroying the embryo that already exists. And I can only wait for those options. But until then I have to go with what I think. And I think that abortions should be more selective. Not banned, but I don't think a 17 year old slut who sleeps around like crazy without any protection deserves the right to make her mistakes disappear. We all have to live up to out mistakes, why not do it sooner rather then later when the situation will probably be even worse?

NotOkay22:

And no, not everyone has a chance to fix their mistakes. Everyone should have that chance, but that's not the way the world works.

So, even if the option is available, and that having a second chance at not being a mother is avaliable that we should take it away because one group thinks it's "wrong?"
Well, I should let you know that the world does not work that way either. You should not have perfect strangers dictating how you live your life. Whether you choose to have one, or not have one. We are not living in the dark ages. It would be out of pure idiocy to force somebody to have an unwanted baby; that's exactly what it is: unwanted. Sorry if it's harsh, but abortion is harsh. Anybody who takes it lightly and uses it as birth control cannot be used as a con for something that is likely to help in the long run. I don't care if you try to contradict that, you are not that woman.

COPPA!:

NotOkay22:

And no, not everyone has a chance to fix their mistakes. Everyone should have that chance, but that's not the way the world works.

So, even if the option is available, and that having a second chance at not being a mother is avaliable that we should take it away because one group thinks it's "wrong?"
Well, I should let you know that the world does not work that way either. You should not have perfect strangers dictating how you live your life. Whether you choose to have one, or not have one. We are not living in the dark ages. It would be out of pure idiocy to force somebody to have an unwanted baby; that's exactly what it is: unwanted. Sorry if it's harsh, but abortion is harsh. Anybody who takes it lightly and uses it as birth control cannot be used as a con for something that is likely to help in the long run. I don't care if you try to contradict that, you are not that woman.

I would never force anyone to do anything, but I may not support something that they do. A women's abortion is not my decision, but after having one and it being the worst experience of my life, I would never have one again, and don't support abortions that are not needed.

thank you INO22 i thought my head was gonna explode for a minute.

LHD, despite what you think we do have sex out of instinct, its just our instincts are different than animals. its instinct and pleasure.

there are places for girls to get birth control whether they can afford it or not. birth control clinics will let a woman make payments on the birth control. don't say there's not because there is, plan parenthood for instance.

and you saying it 'depends on the person' that's the same thing i said 3 posts ago!

people aren't gonna vote for someone just because 'they're against abortion'. they're gonna vote for them because they think they'll run better. if the person who wins is against abortion and makes it illegal that's score one for us! BUT woman will still get abortions illegally which is just as bad.

NO ONE on this thread is RIGHT, NO ONE on this WRONG, which is what you don't get. we are supposed express our opinion and discuss and everyone is turning it into a battle over right and wrong, which is against the rules.

NotOkay22:

Well I think that other options then abortion and adoption (which there are quite a few) should start to be discussed between peoples and the knowledge of them should spread. It can only do good. With science still progressing at such a rate I have no doubt that in the next generations their will be many different ways to prevent pregnancy that don't have to do with destroying the embryo that already exists. And I can only wait for those options. But until then I have to go with what I think. And I think that abortions should be more selective. Not banned, but I don't think a 17 year old slut who sleeps around like crazy without any protection deserves the right to make her mistakes disappear. We all have to live up to out mistakes, why not do it sooner rather then later when the situation will probably be even worse?

If humans are "made to pass on their DNA," then please tell me how getting your tubes tied doesn't contradict that statement.
Also, how is forcing a "17 year old slut to have a baby" going to make her situation better than abortion?! What if she is trying to do well in school? How are months off of school going to help her get into college? Getting pregnant is one very big mistake. Abortion won't make the rest of her mistakes disappear (if any), but abortion will help her prevent ever having to ruin her school life.
So, how will abortion make her situation even worse? And how are you to tell somebody who accidentally got pregnant, who is 17, but isn't a slut that she cannot have an abortion? How do you make that decision without personally knowing the person? Because doing so is a bunch of crock.

NotOkay22:

I would never force anyone to do anything, but I may not support something that they do. A women's abortion is not my decision, but after having one and it being the worst experience of my life, I would never have one again, and don't support abortions that are not needed.

Then don't have one again, but just because yours was bad doesn't mean it will be bad for everybody. It could change somebody's life for the better.

I'm not sure if anyone's said this before...
But, When you use birth control and condoms when you have sex, you're preventing a pregnancy. If you're preventing a pregnancy, it's pretty much the same thing as getting rid of a pregnancy, though, it has started living when you actually get pregnant, you are still one child short than you could have been. People of some religions are not supposed to use birth control for just those reasons.
But nobody likes to think about that.
I do not have a solid opinion on Abortion, because I think of it as killing, but I also don't think a person should be forced to do something they do not want to do. There are very valid reasons for abortions. I am TOTALLY not saying not to use birth control either. That would be stupid. I am just pointing it out.

COPPA!:

NotOkay22:

Well I think that other options then abortion and adoption (which there are quite a few) should start to be discussed between peoples and the knowledge of them should spread. It can only do good. With science still progressing at such a rate I have no doubt that in the next generations their will be many different ways to prevent pregnancy that don't have to do with destroying the embryo that already exists. And I can only wait for those options. But until then I have to go with what I think. And I think that abortions should be more selective. Not banned, but I don't think a 17 year old slut who sleeps around like crazy without any protection deserves the right to make her mistakes disappear. We all have to live up to out mistakes, why not do it sooner rather then later when the situation will probably be even worse?

If humans are "made to pass on their DNA," then please tell me how getting your tubes tied doesn't contradict that statement.
Also, how is forcing a "17 year old slut to have a baby" going to make her situation better than abortion?! What if she is trying to do well in school? How are months off of school going to help her get into college? Getting pregnant is one very big mistake. Abortion won't make the rest of her mistakes disappear (if any), but abortion will help her prevent ever having to ruin her school life.
So, how will abortion make her situation even worse? And how are you to tell somebody who accidentally got pregnant, who is 17, but isn't a slut that she cannot have an abortion? How do you make that decision without personally knowing the person? Because doing so is a bunch of crock.

Ive seen many a girls get through school pregnant and be fine. Most women don't need months off of school before of after having a baby. So if that's the case it wouldn't do much to your school life if you still study and get your work done. Carrying a baby doesn't limit you to only a few things, you can do tons of things when you are pregnant.

I never said that it WILL make the situation worse, I said it MIGHT. I usually base my opinions on what I have seen and experienced, like most people. I have seen people go through abortions and be completely fine, and Ive seen others who were scarred from the experience, me being one of those people. So having the possibility that my child is alive and healthy COULD help someone in the long run.

Like I said, I wouldn't stop anyone from doing anything, and I cannot choose who gets an abortion and who doesn't. But I don't SUPPORT un-needed abortions.

COPPA!:

NotOkay22:

I would never force anyone to do anything, but I may not support something that they do. A women's abortion is not my decision, but after having one and it being the worst experience of my life, I would never have one again, and don't support abortions that are not needed.

Then don't have one again, but just because yours was bad doesn't mean it will be bad for everybody. It could change somebody's life for the better.

But it could also change somebody's life for the worse.

COPPA!:

Then don't have one again, but just because yours was bad doesn't mean it will be bad for everybody. It could change somebody's life for the better.

its not bad for everyone, but i bet that if you asked a group of every woman whos ever had a abortion 5/6 of the group would say that they have had nightmares or other problems with it and would never get it again.

it could, but does that mean it WOULD.

i hate how everyone says 'against abortion, dont get one'. its a dumb thing to say and makes you look retarded for saying it. saying that is like saying 'you think its stupid to bungee jump off MT.Rainer, dont do it'. of course we wont get one, I've said this before i'll say it AGAIN, it lies with the person. go ahead and bungee jump off MT.Rainer, go ahead and get a abortion, but dont come crying to me when things dont go the way you planned.

Girl next door:

COPPA!:

Then don't have one again, but just because yours was bad doesn't mean it will be bad for everybody. It could change somebody's life for the better.

its not bad for everyone, but i bet that if you asked a group of every woman whos ever had a abortion 5/6 of the group would say that they have had nightmares or other problems with it and would never get it again.

it could, but does that mean it WOULD.

i hate how everyone says 'against abortion, dont get one'. its a dumb thing to say and makes you look retarded for saying it. saying that is like saying 'you think its stupid to bungee jump of MT.Rainer, dont do it'. of course we wont get one, I've said this before i'll say it AGAIN, it lies with the person. go ahead and bungee jump off MT.Rainer, go ahead and get a abortion, but dont come crying to me when things dont go the way you planned.

HA! I must say I loved the way you put that! And I agree. Of course I'm not gonna make that same mistake twice! And because it hurt me so bad of course I would try to prevent it from happening to others, especially people I know and love.

^ thats exactly what i said 5 posts ago. its the same post over and over again.

what i said was if a woman wants a abortion she doesnt have to listen to me, i just dont want her coming to me saying she regrets getting it (and look at the facts MANY, and i mean A LOT, of woman regret getting a abortion. i dont care if she has to says i was right or wrong, what i'm telling you there ARE dangers with abortion and there ARE dangers with going through with a kid.

IT DEPENDS ON THE WOMAN. i dont want woman getting a abortion, BUT ITS THE WOMANS CHOICE.

Girl next door:

^ thats exactly what i said 5 posts ago. its the same post over and over again.

what i said was if a woman wants a abortion she doesnt have to listen to me, i just dont want her coming to me saying she regrets getting it (and look at the facts MANY, and i mean A LOT, of woman regret getting a abortion. i dont care if she has to says i was right or wrong, what i'm telling you there ARE dangers with abortion and there ARE dangers with going through with a kid.

IT DEPENDS ON THE WOMAN. i dont want woman getting a abortion, BUT ITS THE WOMANS CHOICE.

yepadoodle

Girl next door:

and the whole point of human EXSITANCE is to make children. we are meant to pass on our DNA.

Yeah, and the reasons for sex are twofold:
Procreation.
Pleasure.

You might be having sex for the second reason. Sex isn't simply for procreation. If it were then women wouldn't have a clitoris.

^i've said that already. that whole thing has really been thrown out of the discussion. we already know that woman have it for pleasure.