Abortions.

Girl next door:

^ thats exactly what i said 5 posts ago. its the same post over and over again.

what i said was if a woman wants a abortion she doesnt have to listen to me, i just dont want her coming to me saying she regrets getting it (and look at the facts MANY, and i mean A LOT, of woman regret getting a abortion. i dont care if she has to says i was right or wrong, what i'm telling you there ARE dangers with abortion and there ARE dangers with going through with a kid.

IT DEPENDS ON THE WOMAN. i dont want woman getting a abortion, BUT ITS THE WOMANS CHOICE.

Yes, but what you've also been saying is that you would support banning or partial banning of abortions - or at least that you'd vote for a candidate who does, which is one in the same. And if it ever came to that, it wouldn't be the woman's choice.

lol!!!
most people today forget that having sex makes chirldren
in most countries sex for for pleasure about 95% of time
and in that 95% mistakes do happen
and everybody should have a chance to fic them and get on with their life

COPPA!:

If humans are "made to pass on their DNA," then please tell me how getting your tubes tied doesn't contradict that statement.

Answer my question, please.

I'm completly indecisive on abortion I mean there's the point of view where it is the mother's body and it should be her choice. But also that it may be murder even though it is only a fetus not an actual baby..
I have no idea so definitly 50/50 for me.

I am against abortion,ever child deserves to live.
And don't lynch me for this,but we aren't talking about the mothers body,we are talking about an innnocent childs life,they can't defend themselves,to me it's senseless murder.
BUT this is just my opinion.

Fezzik:

^Every child deserves to live, except embryos aren't children. They don't have brains. Or feeling. Or any concept, however vauge, of what life is.

That scientifically makes them "not a child", but it still is indecisive.

COPPA!:

COPPA!:

If humans are "made to pass on their DNA," then please tell me how getting your tubes tied doesn't contradict that statement.

Answer my question, please.

because most woman who get their tubes tied have already had all the children they can have and don't want anymore. getting her tubes tied is easier mentally for the woman and one operation will save her money then keep on getting more abortions, and she wont have to worry about future pregnancies. we are meant to pass on DNA but the human body can only handle having so many kids.and no its NOWHERE near getting a abortion, they are two seperate things. a abortion is removing a embryo, tubes tied is just making it so no sperm can get past. we are talking about embryos not sperm, so dont drag it back in the conversation

and Fezzik, don't EVER say a child will ruin a woman's life. she CHOOSE to ruin her life, the baby didn't do anything. children are precious and you are acting like they're a nuisance. dont say a woman didnt choose to get pregnant, but when she had sex, unprotected or not, she excepted the fact that she will have a chance of getting pregnant.

and a abortion can ruin a womans life as much as having a kid can. people become get chronic depression (not ALL but MOST) because of abortions, and chronic depression can ruin your life. dont say a child will ruin a woman's life, a abortion can do the same thing, ANYTHING can do the same thing.

Girl next door:

and Fezzik, don't EVER say a child will ruin a woman's life. she CHOOSE to ruin her life, the baby didn't do anything. children are precious and you are acting like they're a nuisance. dont say a woman didnt choose to get pregnant, but when she had sex, unprotected or not, she excepted the fact that she will have a chance of getting pregnant.

She also could have had the option to have an abortion. Baby's cost tons and tons of money, care and time. Some women don't have time for a baby, or have the money. You can't just quit your job to have a baby and take care of it; you would have no way of providing care for your child. Women don't have to procreate. If you choose to keep the baby, that's your decision, but don't go preaching to women who chose to follow their dreams and ambitions either.

well as most of you should know health care in america is shit. and the mortitatly rate is rising becuase if it. more mothers and children have died in the last few years. America has the highest mortiatly rate in north america and europe. so its actutally safer if you abort the baby if your quite young or quite old. so what im trying to say is if you dont want to go through with the preganacy dont go through to risk.

Girl next door:

and Fezzik, don't EVER say a child will ruin a woman's life. she CHOOSE to ruin her life, the baby didn't do anything. children are precious and you are acting like they're a nuisance. dont say a woman didnt choose to get pregnant, but when she had sex, unprotected or not, she excepted the fact that she will have a chance of getting pregnant.

and a abortion can ruin a womans life as much as having a kid can. people become get chronic depression (not ALL but MOST) because of abortions, and chronic depression can ruin your life. dont say a child will ruin a woman's life, a abortion can do the same thing, ANYTHING can do the same thing.

My best friend is my age and she's been with the same guy for four years. If he'd gotten her pregnant, yes, it would've ruined her life - or at least the life she has now. She's very smart, she's talented at violin, dancing, and art, she's trilingual, and at this moment on her way to China for a term abroad - the definition of "bright future ahead". She goes to a very intense school; she could barely handle the course load when she got a mild case of mono last spring. If she was pregnant, she'd have to drop out, at least for a few months (and I'm sure that would look great on her Ivy League apps). If she kept the baby, she probably wouldn't be able to go to college next year, and her boyfriend, assuming he stuck around, would at the very least have to switch majors - he's pre-med, he won't be making any money for at least the next ten years.

I have every confidence that my friend will be a great mother someday, and I know she'll love any children she has 100%. But just because she chooses to have sex doesn't mean she's willing to throw away her talent, dreams, and future for a child she doesn't want. Yeah, I know, she could still use her smarts in some way if she had a kid, and she could still get in to one college or another if she had to leave school for a few months while pregnant, but don't tell me she'd have the same future she has now.

An abortion can ruin a person's life, but an unwanted pregnancy can too - which is why only the woman can make that decision.

(And please, please, please don't give me the whole "I would never tell a woman she can't have an abortion" bit again, because you have said you'd like to see abortion banned or partially banned, and XChaoticaCollisionX said she saw abortion as murder - if the government did too, it would be illegal.)

if someone has a REAL reasons for getting a abortion, not because 'caring for it will be hard'. if it affects her career, her body or shes mentally is unable to have a child i can except that. your friend is a example. she can get a abortion because a baby will affect her life in a bad way, but like I've said before woman who get abortion even though they are fully capable of having a child, i think that immoral.

i already said a unwanted pregnancy and a abortion both can ruin a woman's life. and look at INO22, she had a abortion and had to have tons of therapy, she had tons of guilt and she was extremely depressed, and it did the same for her boyfriend. INO22 went through all of that pain and she doesn't want other woman to go through the same pain, which is why shes against.

woman are allowed to make that decision of getting a abortion but does that make it right? no it doesn't, just like going through pregnancy isn't a right decision either. it depends on the woman.

I'm sorry that i got defensive about a baby ruining a woman's life, but that stuck out to me and i saw i red. what you made it sound like was whether the woman wants a baby or not it'll ruin her life, which is completely untrue. caring for a baby is hard, but i can tell you with my head up high that its worth it.

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Why is it immoral? Even a stable, middle class woman can have a hard time with a child. After my sister and brother were born, my family, who was conciderably rich at the time of just my birth, dropped to an average middle class status. My mother had to quit her job even with just me and me being born, and she LOVED working. A middle class family has even more to lose: we were safe because we were very well off already. People who are expecting childen are willing to cope of course, but UNWANTED children can ruin a woman's life, whether they are keeping them or sending them to be adopted.

& You have every right to think that abortion is "immortal" regardless of the fact that science tells us that Fetuses arn't alive until a certin point in their growth, but that gives you no right to judge other possible mothers who actually give a crap about what science, and not their own warped judgement, has to say.

Now abortion can hurt a woman, but at least that's their choice. Most women are relieved. I have never met someone who regretted their abortion, and I know a lot of people who have had them. Not Ok's experience isn'tt everyone's, in fact, it's not even most people's.


woman are allowed to make that decision of getting a abortion but does that make it right? no it doesn't, just like going through pregnancy isn't a right decision either. it depends on the woman.
Exactly, which is why the rest of your post doesn't make any sense.


It can be worth it for some people, but not for those who don't want it. Having a baby is like getting a job. You can get a good boss or bad boss, and if you get a bad one, you need to be a strong enough person to cope, or your screwed. That's why people need to be careful about Childbirth.

Fezzik:

^But why (potentially) ruin a fully-grown woman's life for something that is scientifically not a child and might not be a child in any other way at all?

I understand not wanting to have your life ruined, but their are other options other then just destroying the embryo.

LoversHeartDisease:

Why is it immoral? Even a stable, middle class woman can have a hard time with a child. After my sister and brother were born, my family, who was conciderably rich at the time of just my birth, dropped to an average middle class status. My mother had to quit her job even with just me and me being born, and she LOVED working. A middle class family has even more to lose: we were safe because we were very well off already. People who are expecting childen are willing to cope of course, but UNWANTED children can ruin a woman's life, whether they are keeping them or sending them to be adopted.

& You have every right to think that abortion is "immortal" regardless of the fact that science tells us that Fetuses arn't alive until a certin point in their growth, but that gives you no right to judge other possible mothers who actually give a crap about what science, and not their own warped judgement, has to say.

Now abortion can hurt a woman, but at least that's their choice. Most women are relieved. I have never met someone who regretted their abortion, and I know a lot of people who have had them. Not Ok's experience isn'tt everyone's, in fact, it's not even most people's.


woman are allowed to make that decision of getting a abortion but does that make it right? no it doesn't, just like going through pregnancy isn't a right decision either. it depends on the woman.
Exactly, which is why the rest of your post doesn't make any sense.


It can be worth it for some people, but not for those who don't want it. Having a baby is like getting a job. You can get a good boss or bad boss, and if you get a bad one, you need to be a strong enough person to cope, or your screwed. That's why people need to be careful about Childbirth.

We've said already that if there is no way that someone can carry the baby, then that is a justifiable reason (not 100% right, but justifiable). One reason I guess I feel so strongly about using adoption is because my older brother's girlfriend cant have children, and they want a big family, and their only option is to adopt. Not everyone can handle giving their child up for adoption, but Ive met plenty of couples who cant have their own children and would give anything for a baby.

My therapy sessions after abortion were mostly group sessions of women going through the same thing I was. The center gave therapy to anyone who needed it after abortion. There were about 15 women in my session, and the center gave about 4 different sessions to women each day. That's about 60 women. At the center I went to alone. I met tons of women who experienced the same regret I did after abortion, so don't you say that what I went through was something that doesn't happen to most people, because it is definitely NOT rare.

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Girl next door:

and Fezzik, don't EVER say a child will ruin a woman's life. she CHOOSE to ruin her life, the baby didn't do anything. children are precious and you are acting like they're a nuisance. dont say a woman didnt choose to get pregnant, but when she had sex, unprotected or not, she excepted the fact that she will have a chance of getting pregnant.

What if you have the child and he grows up to beat/rape you?
What if you have the child and he becomes a second Stalin?
Are those children blessings?
Did they enrich the mother's life?

NotOkay22:

We've said already that if there is no way that someone can carry the baby, then that is a justifiable reason (not 100% right, but justifiable). One reason I guess I feel so strongly about using adoption is because my older brother's girlfriend cant have children, and they want a big family, and their only option is to adopt. Not everyone can handle giving their child up for adoption, but Ive met plenty of couples who cant have their own children and would give anything for a baby.

So then they can adopt one of the millions of children already waiting to be in a caring and safe family. One woman having another unwanted child adds to the problem. If nobody could have an abortion, just imagine how that would impact the economy, well, everything. It's also highly unlikely that one couple would adopt your unwanted child.