Abortions.
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| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | Fezzik, a baby is supposed to be loved and cherished right?but its OK to kill it before it can even live and go to a family that wants it? LoversHeartDisease, to answer your question, i want abortion to be illegal is some cases. i wish i wish with all my might... but because i wish it will it come true? i agree with you on the population, but there's better ways of controlling the population then getting a abortion. a bus crashes and a bunch of orphans die. it helps our population, who's gonna miss a bunch of orphans, they're not helping us. THATS what abortion is like to me. what i just said makes people disgusted, but its like abortion in a way huh? no one will miss a couple of embryos, so its fair to kill them for the population? a baby will NOT make EVERYONE in the world suffer!!! it'll be hard on the mom that's it! you're making a baby sound like it'll make the whole world fall apart if ONE woman goes through with birth. a baby in the future can be many things, a leader or a killer, but is it fair that its die before we can find out? not very often? HA! half of the woman who get abortions have trouble physically, 3/4 have mental. it may not be for ALL but it sure as hell is a lot. you took the words right out of my mouth. its their choice, they want to live with what they've done, fine GO AHEAD! grinds teeth i said in other posts that the whole 'against abortion, don't get one' is on the top 20 of the dumbest things people ever say. people against wont get one, of course. its like saying 'you think its stupid to bungee jump off MT. Rainer, don't do it', you can jump off MT.Rainer, you can get a abortion, but i bet with one of them it wont go the way you plan. oh and by the way, a huge, and i mean HUGE, percent of woman regret getting a abortion. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | Girl next door: My point was that an irresponsible woman who gets pregnant is not likely to change her ways just because she's carrying her pregnancy to term, especially if she's giving the baby up. She might drink enough to give the child a nice case of fetal alcohol syndrome, she might do drugs, she might smoke excessively, and she probably won't do any of the things necessary for ensuring a healthy baby, like going to the doctor and having tests done. How many people do you think will be lining up to adopt a retarded baby? I don't care if you're thinking evil thoughts, but if your evil thoughts are potentially affecting other people, I'm going to say something. Girl next door: Women need to learn about obtaining and properly using birth control so they won't be in that situation in the first place. And any doctor worth his degrees will tell a woman everything that might happen before preforming an abortion on her. crying shame.: I didn't mean to attack you, but the "but if you were just fucking around with someone...keep the baby, it was your own fault for fucking around" argument has been made a thousand times and is one of the most ridiculous ones out there. I'm not trying to force anything on anyone, but if you're going to say something like that on here, expect a response. Girl next door: All right, since you're apparently sick of everyone repeating everything on here (and trust me, I am too), I'll just put this simply: I and quite a bit of the rest of America do not believe that an embryo is a child, based on scientific fact. If you want to believe otherwise, that's fine, but please, at least don't ask me questions based on your beliefs. I can't answer that because I don't believe it's okay to kill children, but I don't believe an embryo is a child. Girl next door: LoversHeartDisease is right. Saying you wish abortion was partially banned is exactly the same as saying "abortion should be partially banned". No, wishing it as hard as you can isn't going to change anything, but quit the "Well I never said it should be illegal" / "I would never force a woman not to have an abortion" bit. Girl next door: But you're wrong there, people will miss a bunch of orphans in a bus crash. Maybe not a whole lot of people, but yes, some will. Person or not, no one but the mother can miss an embryo. Girl next door: But only 0.3% have enough physical trouble to require hospitalization. Girl next door: So what if it doesn't go the way they plan? That's not your problem. That does not effect you. That does not directly effect anyone except the woman who had the abortion. It's not dumb to say at all. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. If you don't like gay marriage, don't have one. If you don't like green beans, don't eat them. You have to let people do what they're going to do. If it's not hurting anyone else (anyone science can prove is a person), don't meddle with it. |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | Well then, you do want abortion to be illegal. I never understood that. I can understand someone not wanting an abortion themselves, but butting into someone elses business that harshly... I know there are better ways of handling population, but it helps. It helps a lot. At current, there are over a million abortions a year in the US alone. That is a million less people competing for jobs. A million less mouths to feed. A million less people crowding the United States. I am grateful for that, as bad as it sounds, because I want MY KIDS to live in a world where famine, poverty, and terrible states of living and population inflation are reduced. I think it would be wonderful if say, all women got their tubes tired after their second kid, but let's be realistic: the government can't even pay for our war. Your comparing two different things. A bunch of orphans have lived their lives. They know what a humans love and touch is like. They have been cared for by eachother and by the people watching over the, Their life is worth more then something without a brain or a heartbeak any day. A fetus is replaceable. a human is not. A fetus doesn't feel pain. A human does (By fetus of course, I mean one within the legal trimester for abortions fetus, but some 9 month old something) One person being FORCED against their will to have a child will not destroy the world, but it can hurt the mother. now one million One people is quite a lot. Think on a larger scale. A statistic I found froma pro life network..PRO LIFE, says that 23% of women experience emotional trauma. 23%. That's not huge in the grand scale of things. When I say "if you don't like an abortion, don't get one", what I really mean to say is "Other people's lives arn't your business, so just don't get abortion yourself, but don't HOPE or believe in the government controling other people's lives. Their lives arn't yours to judge or dictate". |
| Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner  Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861 | NotOkay22: Then maybe you should have read some of those after abortion symptoms, that include depression and regret. So, if you are saying that you would rather have given birth, then that's your fault. You ran the risk of becoming depressed, but maybe you made the decision to go through with it because it was better for you in the long run? I would also assume that every woman in your group therapy had counseling before having an abortion, and was made aware of this. Also, an embryo doesn't have a brain or memory, so it really has no way of being conscious of anything. |
| Rhys Webb Awake and Unafraid  Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 12341 | you know what? i look at it this way -- you will not kno what to do until you are in the situation. that is how i look at it. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | OK, to stop the attacks against me, I'm gonna settle something. and don't quote me if you haven't read the whole thing. i don't like woman getting abortions, i don't want them too, but they will anyway and i get that. i feel strongly about this cause I've had extremely terrifying nightmares about abortions and I've had dreams about a young man smiling looking at the Seattle waterfront, which would be my brother who was aborted. I've seen woman go through pain and depression due to abortions and i don't want other women to go through it. it doesn't matter the percent of women who go through this, you never know who'll go through it. i also feel strongly because i love kids. women who get abortions, and people on this thread, who say that abortions help a woman in the future, and will help the population, is complete BS to me (and i don't want anymore posts saying whether or not it'll help the woman in the future or the population,i don't care). in this thread the way you guys talk, makes it sound like babies are just not worth having at all. and that's what really sets me off. I'm 15 and when i held my new baby cousin, i instantly wanted to have one. not everyone feels like this i know, and not all women can have a kid. it just sickens me to know that women get them because a baby is too much of a struggle, even though it wont affect their job or health, they just don't want it. i came on strong, and I'm sorry. i feel incredibly strong about this topic and it makes me go insane. i tried to except your guys opinion on this, but you never excepted mine(dont say i didnt respect yours, cause i did, i wrote it hundreds of times). I'm tired of this fighting, we're supposed to be discussing but we're all turning it into a fight over right and wrong. and don't try to spam me, i put my opinion and rested my case.i just felt the need to apoligize. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | COPPA!: That's exactly it. Everyone here keeps saying that having depression and other symptoms after abortion do not happen to everyone, and that some feel relief after having the abortion. That's what I thought too. That's what we all expected. To be the women who have an abortion and then just get on with the rest of your life. That's what everyone expects! But "the odds" didn't come through for ANY of us! Is that fair!?!?! NO! A person in a coma isn't conscience of anything either...so does that mean it doesn't matter if they die? They wont feel it, they wont know, they wont care. So should we kill people in comas too? |
| Simple and Clean Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 2616 | NotOkay22: That's nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is the killing (for lack of a better word) of an embryo, a coma is a living person who is unconscience but is already living. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | Simple and Clean: Well some see an embryo as a living person. Which is why we defend them. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | Simple and Clean: its alike. a embryo is alive, it just unconscience and has no brain activity. a person in a coma is unconscience and extremely little brain activity (the brain is only making the heart beat very slow), and its hard to tell if they'll ever get out it. the only difference is that the coma patient is full grown and has lived, when the embryo hasnt. in a coma patient most of the time the family gives up and pulls the plug, and with abortion the mother gives up with the pregnancy and removes it. so two diffent sitations, but a lot in common |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | NotOkay22: Actually some families choose to pull the plug on loved ones in comas so their organs can be donated to people who need them. It's the same principle with any organ donor; if there's no brain activity and no chance of it, they're considered dead and their organs are harvested. As long as everyone involves consents, I have no problem with that (I'm listed as an organ donor myself, actually). |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | Fezzik: Of course their is nothing wrong with donating the person's organs, but of course that can be done after a natural death. But an embryo has a good chance of not dying if it goes further, and someone in a coma is most likely going to die. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^It's not always a natural death; some people donate their organs without ever being in a coma. I mean, I know usually the deaths aren't planned, but it's not always a nice, peaceful death. A person has a chance of waking up from their coma; an embryo has a chance of miscarrying naturally. Sometimes it's just better for everyone to interfere with nature. |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | NotOkay22: I think we all know byt now that post abortion depression DOES happen, but what we have been saying is that that's the woman's deal. Like Fezzik said: any real doctor will go over the abortion process before it is performed. A smart person looks into things before they make a decision, and most women are willing to risk depression to get rid of what is inside them. So YOU had a bad experience, That doesn't mean everyone will. Life is about taking risks for what you believe in doing. And GND, stop comparing things to fetuses. They just arn't the same. Anything that is alive is worth more then one. Like I said before, a fetus, up to a point, doesn't fnction at all on a mental level. Someone in a coma has. If my loved one was in an impossible coma situation however, I would personally put them out of their misery, but if they were sure fire waking up, they deserve to keeping living the life they already have. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | i wasnt the one who compared it, READ SOME OTHER DAMN POSTS BEFORE YOU ATTACK ME.I SAID THEY WERE ALIKE IN A WAY, NOT THE SAME, READ. and you confused a fetus and embryo, in a embryo is what we're talking about. a embryo is a bunch of baby in a early stage of devolpement where the major organ (the brain) is not devolped yet. a fetus is when there is brain activity, it begins to look like a human, the baby actually becomes a baby in your eyes. |
| DIE! DIE! DIE! Bleeding on the Floor Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 1067 | Appy Polly Loggies on the Feti-embri mistake |
| druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1671 | NotOkay22: The difference is that they are actually a person. They are no longer residing in the mother and a part of her. When you are born, you are legally human and have rights. Before you are born you are a part of the woman and have no rights. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | druscilla; ryry: Of course. But what I'm saying is that just because you have no brain activity doesn't mean you not a person. I still see an embryo as a person, rights or no rights, but people cant just state that just because there is no brain activity its not a person, because a person in a coma has no brain activity either, and that is claimed to be a person. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^But an embryo has never had brain function. A person in a coma has. And essentially, a person in a coma doesn't have too many more rights than an embryo, anyway. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | ^but a person in a coma may never wake up again. a person in a coma is literally half dead, so how does it have even one right? |
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