Abortions.

Fezzik:

^Because a person in a coma was alive. Felt emotions, learned things, knew people.
And TBH I don't really think people in comas should have rights; their family should decide what to do with them. Same principle as with abortions.

What if you were in a coma and your family decided to keep you alive, and then you woke up and were in major pain. That would completely suck XD

guys, let's stay on topic. XD

My opinions on the original topic, abortion, are as follows.
There are laws that say you cannot abort the baby after a certain point because then it actually starts to develop, but before this it does not have feelings or brain functions.
It does not feel pain when the procedure actually happens. It is just not medically possible.
my sister used to have this shirt that said, "I'm not the president's ho. keep your laws off my body."
in all seriousness, it is not the government's place to tell you what you can and cannot do with your body.

I really think that anyone who just looks at abortion as a form of birth control should just be told off.
It's ridiculous that some people will repeatedly get abortions because they can't figure out how to use a condom or get on the pill.

abortions are legal for a reason, the baby isn't developed yet and it's ultimately the mother's choice on whether or not she wants to keep the baby.

Think about this if you are against abortions:
there is probably a reason a mother has to go in to have an abortion done.
A possible rape, not a good home environment, an abusive situation (sexual, physical, or verbal), the parents cannot take care of the baby financially, or the mother is just too young.

^ I agree with pretty much what you just said.

Anyway, I'm an athiest, and I get annoyed when people of a Christian faith get all uppety about abortion. Urrghh since when should religion dictate what everyone, regardless of their faith, do??? meh

NotOkay22:

Of course. But what I'm saying is that just because you have no brain activity doesn't mean you not a person. I still see an embryo as a person, rights or no rights, but people cant just state that just because there is no brain activity its not a person, because a person in a coma has no brain activity either, and that is claimed to be a person.

Ah.
Well, that's not why I don't consider it a person.
It's part of the mother and isn't living outside of her, therefore it's just another part of her and not a whole human yet.

People in comas are actually PEOPLE. They had feelings at one point, and memories, a life, and a BRAIN.
Embyos don't even have a brain.

^ yes they do have a brain...they have a heartbeat but not quite a full body.
but its just unfair to put a woman through anything a man doesn't have to go through. escpicaially (sp) if she doesn't want to anyway. abortions should be legal for a couple reasons
if might bring harm to the woman if she's young or old
its HER body she can do whatever the hell she wants with it
not including drugs of course

Girl next door:

here

this a article that tells THE TRUTH behind abortions. this will tie some lose ends.

your kidding right???
if aboration doesn't become legal then guess what!
back street aborations are GOING to happen. my mother is a doctor and she so many times see people coming in that stuck objects up their vaginas to try to get rid of their baby. its not not safe to that and many young woman die.
if someone wants to a safe free aboration then they should be able to have one.



and another thing. you think a 11'12'13 all the way till 15 that have sex or get raped will have an easy time having a child. an 11 or 12 or even 13 have a quite high risk of DYING. if your an elderly (48^) and you get pregnant i would suggest not having the child becuase its most likely to have problems or the woman to have problems during the pregancy.

^back street abortions are STILL going on even though its legal. the women who go to your mom, who tried to get rid of the baby, probally couldnt afford a abortion. either was back street abortions happen, you cant escape it.

and a 11-15 hardly ever die giving birth, and some die getting abortions(SMALL AMOUNT). a 48 year old wouldnt be able to get pregnant. thats around the age most women go through menopause, so thats not even a valid agrument.

Fezzik:

^But an embryo has never had brain function. A person in a coma has. And essentially, a person in a coma doesn't have too many more rights than an embryo, anyway.

I know. What Im saying is that just because it doesnt have a brain function doesnt mean it isnt a person.

CemeteryDrive123:

Girl next door:

here

this a article that tells THE TRUTH behind abortions. this will tie some lose ends.

your kidding right???
if aboration doesn't become legal then guess what!
back street aborations are GOING to happen. my mother is a doctor and she so many times see people coming in that stuck objects up their vaginas to try to get rid of their baby. its not not safe to that and many young woman die.
if someone wants to a safe free aboration then they should be able to have one.



and another thing. you think a 11'12'13 all the way till 15 that have sex or get raped will have an easy time having a child. an 11 or 12 or even 13 have a quite high risk of DYING. if your an elderly (48^) and you get pregnant i would suggest not having the child becuase its most likely to have problems or the woman to have problems during the pregancy.

We've already said that in situations (like a 11 year old having a child) then because of the high risk of death or other serious problems then abortion should definitely be used. But even a 16 year old can have a baby (Ive seen that MANY times). I even seen some 14 year olds have fine pregnancies (but that is a bit rare).

NotOkay22:

I know. What Im saying is that just because it doesnt have a brain function doesnt mean it isnt a person.

Well, I also don't really think people in comas should be considered people, if that's what you're getting at. Definitely not if they don't have brain function (I'm fairly sure you're pronounced dead if that happens). Even if they have small amounts, it's iffy. So therefore up to those who are paying his / her medical bills.

I dunno, have you ever read The Terminal Experiment? If not I suggest it, it's a quick read and brings up really interesting ideas. In the book the main character uses this advanced brain scanner to find a 'soul brain wave' that leaves peoples' bodies at the moment they're truly dead. I like that; I think it makes sense. If our soul, or whatever makes us people and not animals, is anywhere in our bodies, it'd most logically be in our brains. The way we think and perceive things and feel and react is what defines us as people. It all comes from our brains. Humans can survive (however briefly) with stopped hearts and dead kidneys and lungs, but once your brain stops working, your done.

*shrug* That's just what my reasoning is, anyway.

i remember this girl from high school who was having her second or third kid at 17...and i got along with her ok but i couldn't tell her how uncomfortable i was hanging out with her or her boyfriend...it was so awkward though the friendship is still there.

Fezzik:

NotOkay22:

I know. What Im saying is that just because it doesnt have a brain function doesnt mean it isnt a person.

Well, I also don't really think people in comas should be considered people, if that's what you're getting at. Definitely not if they don't have brain function (I'm fairly sure you're pronounced dead if that happens). Even if they have small amounts, it's iffy. So therefore up to those who are paying his / her medical bills.

I dunno, have you ever read The Terminal Experiment? If not I suggest it, it's a quick read and brings up really interesting ideas. In the book the main character uses this advanced brain scanner to find a 'soul brain wave' that leaves peoples' bodies at the moment they're truly dead. I like that; I think it makes sense. If our soul, or whatever makes us people and not animals, is anywhere in our bodies, it'd most logically be in our brains. The way we think and perceive things and feel and react is what defines us as people. It all comes from our brains. Humans can survive (however briefly) with stopped hearts and dead kidneys and lungs, but once your brain stops working, your done.

*shrug* That's just what my reasoning is, anyway.

Ill check it out, but we should probably stop talking about people in comas in the Abortion thread :l

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okay... some people probably won't like me after i say this, but...

ABORTION IS MURDER!!!

sorry, i just had to get that out... i know that it's a very controversial issue, but i just can't see how people think that a baby is nothing more than a small clump of cells, it's a person. i don't care who you are. before you go and argue with me, just stop to think about when you couldn't think. what would you have wanted? would you have wanted to be killed just because you were an inconvenience? i wouldn't think so. i just found out a few months ago that i was almost aborted... i thank God now that things were harder to get done then than they were today...

They can't think

they can't wish

they have nop heartbeat

they have no memories

So how is that murder?

Sorry, we have covered this one before.

I was almost aborted too, and so were my sister and brother, but I don't care, be cause it's not like it would have hurtr my feelings or something if I was, I just wouldn't be alive, so I wouldn't know what I was missing in the first place. Now if my parents almost murdered my at age two..that might be a bit more upsetting...

newsflash... babies have a pulse within eighteen days of conception... by the time they're discovered, they're alive...

most of the grounds that people use to justify abortion are that the baby can't survive on it's own outside of the womb... hello... neither can a full-term newborn... so, what makes it different? if it were a puppy in a cage, instead of of a human in the uterus, does it make sense to kill it just because it isn't technically exposed to the outside environment? NO!

like i said, i'm used to people disagreeing with me...oh, by the way, are you saying that if you had the choice, you would have let yourself been aborted? just curious...

I wouldn't go that far, but I really couldn't complain much if I was.

Thart's why we have trimester laws that are currently in place...unless someones going coathanger style <3

^ yes but when the abortion law was passed there was no limit to how far you go. and there still isnt, its just people dont get them after the trimester because thats when they consider its wrong.