Abortions.

Girl next door:

Fezzik,but it is in the eyes of many people. to the government they say because it has no brain its not alive, but other people have different opinions. most people believe that because it has a heart its alive.

Hearts are so irrelevant though. Humans can survive for minutes at a time without a heartbeat, they can survive with artificial hearts. Plenty of animals have hearts, some nearly identical to ours. Our hearts are not that special. It's our brains that set us apart.

I know people have different opinions, but those opinions shouldn't be interfering with women's rights.

sure... that's just what i was taught from a textbook...

Fezzik:

Girl next door:

Fezzik,but it is in the eyes of many people. to the government they say because it has no brain its not alive, but other people have different opinions. most people believe that because it has a heart its alive.

Hearts are so irrelevant though. Humans can survive for minutes at a time without a heartbeat, they can survive with artificial hearts. Plenty of animals have hearts, some nearly identical to ours. Our hearts are not that special. It's our brains that set us apart.

I know people have different opinions, but those opinions shouldn't be interfering with women's rights.

but, i already said this, scientists are actually finding that a embryo does have a brain, its microscopic, and has some brain function its just not fully devolped. without a brain how do you explain the heartbeat?

okay, Fezzik, i have a question for you... what about people that are braindead... are they still people... they have a brain, but it doesn't work... are they still people???

Okay, I looked around and according to here, generesR4losers you were right. Sperm cells can survive up to six days once they're past the cervix. It's just that they hardly ever do, because most are killed in the vagina, where they can live only a few hours, and you only ovulate a few days each cycle.

But anyway, GND, embryos have a hollow notochord made up of nerve cells that eventually develop into a spinal chord and brain. But all mammals have that at some stage in their development. And a teeny-tiny brain is none to impressive on the embryos-are-people argument; flies have tiny brains but no one minds killing them. Any brain an embryo had would just serve to regulate it's development - no thought, no consciousness; none of the things that make us people.

genresR4losers:

okay, Fezzik, i have a question for you... what about people that are braindead... are they still people... they have a brain, but it doesn't work... are they still people???

No. That's why they're pronounced dead at hospitals and their organs, if intact, are harvested for people who really need them, and aren't brain dead.

so, according to your particular brand of logic, both brainwaves and heartbeats are necessary for people to be considered people, right? just trying to get my facts straight...

^ well for a lot people, a heartbeat and brain is what makes them alive and human. so go ahead and say it isnt, doesnt mean its not.

okay... that works... i can't belive that i'm saying this, but i agree with you... on the defibrulator thing... technically they aren't dead... yet.

Girl next door:

Fezzik:

Girl next door:

Fezzik,but it is in the eyes of many people. to the government they say because it has no brain its not alive, but other people have different opinions. most people believe that because it has a heart its alive.

Hearts are so irrelevant though. Humans can survive for minutes at a time without a heartbeat, they can survive with artificial hearts. Plenty of animals have hearts, some nearly identical to ours. Our hearts are not that special. It's our brains that set us apart.

I know people have different opinions, but those opinions shouldn't be interfering with women's rights.

but, i already said this, scientists are actually finding that a embryo does have a brain, its microscopic, and has some brain function its just not fully devolped. without a brain how do you explain the heartbeat?

Link to study plz

Fezzik:

^I say 'just brainwaves' because I don't think humans should be considered dead when their heart stops beating but their brain goes on. That's what defibrillators are for. But sure, if you want to say brain and heart, that still works fine for me in this discussion.

right. but a embryo has a brain. just cause its 'not impressive' you dont think its human or alive. but it has a brain, just cause theres no thought or memory doesnt mean its not alive.

LoversHeartDisease:

Girl next door:

Fezzik:

Girl next door:

Fezzik,but it is in the eyes of many people. to the government they say because it has no brain its not alive, but other people have different opinions. most people believe that because it has a heart its alive.

Hearts are so irrelevant though. Humans can survive for minutes at a time without a heartbeat, they can survive with artificial hearts. Plenty of animals have hearts, some nearly identical to ours. Our hearts are not that special. It's our brains that set us apart.

I know people have different opinions, but those opinions shouldn't be interfering with women's rights.

but, i already said this, scientists are actually finding that a embryo does have a brain, its microscopic, and has some brain function its just not fully devolped. without a brain how do you explain the heartbeat?

Link to study plz

oh trust me if i could i would. but i dont know what the study was and i've seen searching and i cant find it. my uncle (who is A DOCTOR) told me this.

http://www.obgyn.net/ultrasound/?page=/us/cotm/0001/ehr2000

that's one of many... just google it...

^ its alive, which means a abortion IS murder. just because its not a person doesnt mean its not alive.

um... and that is logical... how??? if you're not a person, and you're alive, then praytell, exactly what are you?? an effing zombie? i didn't know that that's what is created when you get pregnant!!! ALERT THE MEDIA!!! fetuses are actually ZOMBIES!!!