Abortions.
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| Alx_Aoide Fabulous Killjoy  Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 113 | genresR4losers: It is a cluster of cells with the overwhelming potential to become a person. It doesn't make it a person. You ask why it is any different when the embryo/fetus is inside the womb? Because it is the mother's body. Everything is happening inside of her. She has the first say on what happens to her body in any case. Your analogy doesn't make any sense when it comes to that because in that case, no matter whether a shooting happens inside or outside a building. It involves the killing of a person. A fetus is NOT a person. Adoption is not always a better option. It should always be considered, but it's not always a better option. There are already so many children in orphanages and foster care. And adoption still includes the emotional and physical pain or carrying the pregnancy to term and giving birth. I don't call it pro-choice because it makes me feel better. I call it pro-choice because that's what I believe in. Every woman has the right to CHOOSE what can and cannot happen to her own body. I don't go around condoning people shooting each other or blowing eachother up, so the insinuation that you are making that I am pro-murder is insulting and hardly beneficial to the debate. Your personal attacks on people who have different opinions than you only take away from the point you are trying to make. The fact of the matter is the only reason that you don't see the reason why people are pro-CHOICE is because you are unwilling to see their point of view. I see where you and other people are pro-life. I said before that I don't always condone abortion. I don't consider it to be murder, but I do consider it in some ways to be immoral. Take into consideration what other people are saying and then you might understand a little. I'm not telling you to change your point of view. Just open your mind up a little bit. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | ^EMBRYO, NOT FETUS. a fetus is a actually baby, a embryo is not. you're getting them confused. i'm not trying to be rude, i just get mad when people do that. |
| Alx_Aoide Fabulous Killjoy Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 113 | Girl next door: My apologies. It's late. Forgive me for mixing up words/not being able to come up with the right words. However, I don't consider a fetus to be a baby/person either. |
| padres24 Killjoy  Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 8 | OKAY people abortion is MURDER and yes I am a christian but no I do not dictate my beliefs on anyone else i give my opinion just like everyone else... Oh i forgot it's considered dictating if I'm christian right??!!! if I didn't have a religious belief it would be OK.. Man some people disgust me. How do you people know whether or not the baby feels anything are you in the womb??? NO YOUR NOT so you have no room to talk. I'm not saying they do or don't I'm simply saying we don't know. Yeah there might be some case of a person having to have an abortion cause their about to die that's about the only reason people should do it. Not because there are substantial risks there substantial risks when going through with the abortion.... Hello captain obvious we encounter risks everyday. GROW UP AND TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS....Taxpayers shouldn't be responsible for your mistakes. blah ppl wake up!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Lights Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 2205 | ^^^ Okay, that was complete spam because all you did was ramble on about how people shove Christians into some category. Don't come in with guns blazing if they're not needed. I'm tired of all this "it's scientfically proven" crap. Give me proof if you're going to pull that card. You have no sources sited here for all your "proof", so I have absolutely NO reason to believe it. padres24: This has nothing to do with maturity. It's the circumstances and the means that the child will have to grow up in. THERE IS A REASON THIS CHILD IS GETTING ABORTED. Not every woman that goes in has had 5 abortions and has gotten pregnant from a one night stand. So stop acting like women who get abortions are terrible people. I just hope none of you are put into a desperate situation. So, if you're all going to ramble on with no sources or information to back up your opinions/"facts", I'll present some. reasons to be pro-choice abortion facts "The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 10 times as high as that associated with abortion" You want to get down those women's throats for killing more babies than abortions? And the babies are fully developed, too. Girl next door: "The strict dictionary definition of abortion is 'Induced termination of pregnancy and expulsion of an embryo or fetus that is incapable of survival.' " Now be open minded and actually read other views. I'll be more than happy to read anything if you offer it up. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | bitches get stitches: a fetus is incapable of surviving out side of the womb, like a embryo. you can abort a fetus (if you live in certain countries), but the fetus is far more developed than a embryo, the major organs have developed and it begins to look like a human. its not a full person yet, yes, but its technically alive and functioning. its (correct me if I'm wrong) illegal now to abort a fetus. aborting a fetus is horrible, even worse then a embryo. its past the trimester, i think that everyone (with maybe a few exceptions)on this thread would agree that aborting a fetus past the trimester is wrong. |
| Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861 | Girl next door: If it is mentally handicapped, and you cannot support it financially, or be there to take care of it round the clock, I don't see what your point is. I don't think I would want to keep a regular baby if I couldn't take care of it or pay for it. I know you said if handicapped was the only reason, but I just felt like putting that out there. I also don't know how many people would be willing to adopt a disabled child if you went through with the pregnancy. The baby might go to a mental institution, or end up on the streets unable to support itself, which I find worse than aborting it in the first place. If you do chose to keep a disabled baby though, more power to you, but not all people can handle that type of a HUGE responsibility, and should not be villainized for it. And I don't know how to say this, but just because you can afford to support a child, does NOT necessarily mean you should. Not all people can handle that, and some marriages break up, or abuse goes on... there are plenty of things that could happen if you are not mentally ready. And I am sure women are sure they know what they are getting into. They have to be made sure through counseling. |
| ChildVision Really Not Okay  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 657 | Reading these posts its like people are saying any woman that got an aboration is horrible. Well what about the dad? technically unless the woman doesn't know who the father he is also got the aboration, same as if a married woman gets pregnant she doesn't just say that 'I'm pregnant' alot of woman say that 'we're pregnant' and i think thats the right attutude. what i'm trying to say thats its not just the mothers fault. In fact why should we think that its the not mans fault. HE should have worn protection also. Unless it broke then its no ones fault at all. |
| Carrie White Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 416 | ^ its bad in some cases, IMO. but i think that when abortion does become horrible is when its after the trimester. i agree, it is also the man's fault, it is his sperm. but its the woman who gets the abortion. |
| UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722 | CemeteryDrive123: But the father has no choice in the abortion. So yes its partly his fault she got pregnant, but because its 100% the mothers choice, an abortion cant be blamed on the father, only the pregnancy can. |
| candy clouds Killjoy Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 89 | I think that abortions are wrong. NOT because of religion or because I'm some kind of activist but because of the simple fact that it is killing a life. Even though most people think when you're pregnant,in the early stages it is a bunch of cells...that is true.But by the time most people have a abortion the foetus is already starting to develop organs,features and has a heart beat. Anything that has a heartbeat is alive.Therefore to end that is killing something alive. Abortion is murder. |
| Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861 | IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A BRAIN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT HAS A HEARTBEAT. IT CANNOT THINK, FEEL, LET ALONE LIVE OUTSIDE OF A WOMB. COME UP WITH A BETTER ARGUMENT. MURDER INVOLVES KILLING A PERSON, NOT A FETUS. Gosh, It annoys me. I had to point this out. |
| the original JULES Demolition Lover  Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 19598 | That's YOUR opinion on it. People believe that murder is killing anything living. Hence we have vegans in our society. There is no need to put that in large, capital letters. It holds as much significance as anyone else's opinion. |
| Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861 | I am saying scientifically. I don't care if somebody personally doesn't want one... but, whatever. It's always the same thing. |
| the original JULES Demolition Lover Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 19598 | I'm sorry, I don't really understand. Somebody personally doesn't want one what? What's always the same thing? |
| Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861 | Our Avenged Jules: -Abortion, this is the abortion thread. -It seems like people always post about murdering babies, but that is not the case when it is needed. It can save the mother. -_- I am done with this thread. |
| the original JULES Demolition Lover Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 19598 | It was vague, it misled me. I didn't understand. Some people use the form of abortion in other ways than saving the mother. Of course, anyone would know that. If it doesn't save the mother, or does not benefit the mother in anyway apart from letting her be free of a child, then in my personal opinion, I'd say that's coming close to murder. Yes, sometimes the mother is at risk, or cannot financially fund a child, et cetera. No one is denying that. But when there is no reason apart from the fact that, 'my parents will kill me', what does classify as? |
| padres24 Killjoy Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 8 | bitches get stitches Really Not Okay-- ok so basically you are telling me you would allow people to walk around killing one another. We need to defend the defenseless... want info go to www.priestsforlife.org you will see some disturbing pictures and maybe your ass will wake up. Your right woman do have their own choice their choice was made when they spread their legs. If they dont want kids than dont have sex you dont no what could happen whether or not you wear a condom. |
| padres24 Killjoy Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 8 | Dumb people on here who obviously have not researched this topic.... Babys do have a heart and a brain by 21 days their heart begins pumping blood to a circulatory system, by 18 days their heart begins to beat. By 21 days a folding maneuver creates the neural tube from which the brain and spinal chord develop. by 9 wks the baby can feel pain their structures for pain sensation are fully functioning they are a person dumb ass. |
| Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner Age: 91 Gender: Female Posts: 8861 | ^ I would recommenced that you do not swear or call names in here. It's against the rules. That's like telling the world to not have sex, because you will force women to have a baby- that's so wrong on so many levels. Women get raped, are you telling them it's their fault that they "spread their legs?" And having an abortion is NOTHING LIKE walking around and murdering people. I also need to add that while something may have brain waves, doesn't mean it has the function to feel pain. If it is relevant or not, babies out of the womb don't have a fully developed memory until they are about three. |
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