Abortions.

^ if those were actually met then abortions wouldn't be as bad, but they're not met. and doctors wouldn't change anything about abortions, because lets face it, the more money the better.

and abortion clinics are hard to get into, you have to schedule a appointment, so its obvious that the woman wants to get it.

i still stand by opinion though.

^Well they dont have alot of time from when they find out their pregnant and to the time where its allowed to actually get an abortians.
Besides i doubt anyone but a women who already have one would be able to help. Counclillers wouldn't help and might even presuade the women to not get it even if she really wants to.
Besides in my opinoun the more time goes bye the mire wrong it is.
At the second or third trimester i agree it is wrong but right at the beggining when the feuts just started to form, i think its fine.

I hate the fact that people are being so careless to end up making something they didn't want. And then the abandoned child gets to pay for the carelessness of the adults.

^But it's not always 'just being careless'
No contraceptive is 100%.
So, even if they used it, they could still get pregnant.

^Exactly!
Does no one else watch Friends where rachel gets pregnant by ross even though they used protection!
Ok thats a sucky example but still.
Condoms only have a 97% chance of working and in the 3% women do get pregnat and its not their fault!

^which is a perfect reason of why you should get a abortion? i don't think so, it may be to you, but not to me.

IMO when you have sex you accept the fact that you can get pregnant even with protection, its just one of those things. IF a woman CAN'T because of physical,mental, or financial reasons, she should get a abortion if she wants. i think its unfair that a woman gets a abortion for no apparent reason other than 'its too hard'. give me more of a reason for getting a abortion and maybe I'll let you go. if you say 'its too hard right now, i have too many bills, a crappy job and not enough money to support a child, OR I'm in no physical/mental condition to give the child the support they need' i make exceptions. but women no matter what age who get it, and have no excuse other than 'i just can't' and act like its birth control, i think its wrong.

no more personal attacks, I'm not feeling too hot, and I'm in no mood to fight.
its so sad that i have to type that in my posts now

^neither me or cemetary drive said it was to be used as birth control, we were just pointing out people who get pregnent aren't always careless.
And, why should people stop having sex because there's a tiny chance they'll get pregnent and not want to baby?
Being responsable enough to have sex and being responsable enough to have a baby are very different in their own rights.

^you two never said it, but many women do get abortions and treat it like its birth control. i just don't think that's right.

and they are two different things but are closely tied together. a woman shouldn't stop having sex because she doesn't want to have a baby, but she still needs to know that she can still get pregnant. i believe i said that when a woman chooses to have sex, she excepts the fact that she has a chance to get pregnant. with abortions it saying you signed the contract but you didn't read it. end of story.

Well have you ever tried rasing a baby your own?
When you do, please check back

i havent raised a kid, but i've babysat for days on end (YES by MYSELF, NO HELP). i know how hard they are. stop treating me like this. i've seen birth, i've helped out, i know what i'm talking about.

stop..giving...me...personal attacks! this thread to discuss, NOT FIGHT, with everyone, NOT JUST ME.

Girl next door:

^which is a perfect reason of why you should get a abortion? i don't think so, it may be to you, but not to me.

IMO when you have sex you accept the fact that you can get pregnant even with protection, its just one of those things. IF a woman CAN'T because of physical,mental, or financial reasons, she should get a abortion if she wants. i think its unfair that a woman gets a abortion for no apparent reason other than 'its too hard'. give me more of a reason for getting a abortion and maybe I'll let you go. if you say 'its too hard right now, i have too many bills, a crappy job and not enough money to support a child, OR I'm in no physical/mental condition to give the child the support they need' i make exceptions. but women no matter what age who get it, and have no excuse other than 'i just can't' and act like its birth control, i think its wrong.

no more personal attacks, I'm not feeling too hot, and I'm in no mood to fight.
its so sad that i have to type that in my posts now

Okay, I'm not attacking you, but did you ever stop to think that women who are raped [whether it be by a stranger, family member, or their own partner] might want to get an abortion?

Abortions are legal in most countries for a reason.

It's not as if women just go around getting an abortion whenever they feel like it.

It don't know what it's like in Americal or the UK, or any other country, but here in Australia if a woman tells her doctor that she wants an abortion, he/she will set the woman up with councilling. Not so the councillor can tell the woman what to do, but so that the woman can talk it over with someone.

Girl next door:

^which is a perfect reason of why you should get a abortion? i don't think so, it may be to you, but not to me.

IMO when you have sex you accept the fact that you can get pregnant even with protection, its just one of those things. IF a woman CAN'T because of physical,mental, or financial reasons, she should get a abortion if she wants. i think its unfair that a woman gets a abortion for no apparent reason other than 'its too hard'. give me more of a reason for getting a abortion and maybe I'll let you go. if you say 'its too hard right now, i have too many bills, a crappy job and not enough money to support a child, OR I'm in no physical/mental condition to give the child the support they need' i make exceptions. but women no matter what age who get it, and have no excuse other than 'i just can't' and act like its birth control, i think its wrong.

no more personal attacks, I'm not feeling too hot, and I'm in no mood to fight.
its so sad that i have to type that in my posts now

Okay, I'm not attacking you, but did you ever stop to think that women who are raped [whether it be by a stranger, family member, or their own partner] might want to get an abortion?

Abortions are legal in most countries for a reason.

It's not as if women just go around getting an abortion whenever they feel like it.

It don't know what it's like in Americal or the UK, or any other country, but here in Australia if a woman tells her doctor that she wants an abortion, he/she will set the woman up with councilling. Not so the councillor can tell the woman what to do, but so that the woman can talk it over with someone.

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Whoops, double post. Sorry

ok girl next door i do think your quite wrong about aborations but your avator is lovely
I'm such a spammer

Plush toy:if its rape, incest, physical, emotional, or financial, i can understand.

in America a lot of women treat abortion like birth control, where you don't have to wear a condom, and if you get pregnant you can just get a abortion. this happens a LOT where I'm from. i think that's wrong.

if your birth control failed and,with what i listed above are the reasons, you can get a abortion. but with those they're last resorts, which i understand. i just don't think its fair for women get abortions, take up appointment at a abortion clinic when someone really NEEDS that appointment, just because they decided not to take the pill or use a condom (this happens where I'm from, other people would disagree, saying this doesn't happen where they're from, but it happens a lot where i am).

i do think abortions should be legal, but women should get a abortion if they need it, not as a form of birth control.

it'd be better if the counseling happened in the US, but it doesn't. its expensive for counseling and most women cant afford it, and no one will help, and doctors just want the money.

CemeteryDrive123:

ok girl next door i do think your quite wrong about aborations but your avator is lovely
I'm such a spammer

thanks on the avatar comment (i love it ) but read my post above.

i dont think anyone on this thread is right or wrong. everyone has different view points which is the whole point of the disscussion thread. to discuss, not fight over right and wrong.

Well most People that get aborations are teenagers.
Most teenagers can't afford having a baby
And most teenagers can't deal with the emotian stress

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Sorry

tubes tied?
You must be kidding me,,,,
if their married then its not the women's responsibility ITS THE MANS!
why the fuck should ever responsibility fall on the women?!
get a vasectomy (yes i know i didn't spell it right)
It's much much safer then going into surgery and getting your tubes tied.