Abortions.

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no room for arguments.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, don't forget that.

i know that...
but no one is entitled to murder and everyone is entitled to life...
those who think that the opinions of the murdered don't matter... well, let them see how it feels...
and before someone jumps all over what i just wrote... i'm not saying that uborn babies have opinions, but they could if they were allowed to survive...
IT'S MURDER. IT'S WRONG. IT HAS TO END.

genresR4losers:

i know that...
but no one is entitled to murder and everyone is entitled to life...
those who think that the opinions of the murdered don't matter... well, let them see how it feels...
and before someone jumps all over what i just wrote... i'm not saying that uborn babies have opinions, but they could if they were allowed to survive...
IT'S MURDER. IT'S WRONG. IT HAS TO END.

Yep. Everyone deserves to live, no matter how small.

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For me you could have been raped, you could be 12, your baby could be retarded. Thats no reason to murder another human life. I don't think there are any excuses for abortion.

But if your 12 && were raped, for one school would be heck for you and something really touchy like being raped would be ALL OVER the school, two, if they left school, what about friends A SOCIAL life, that 12 year olds life would be a disaster and everytime she looked at herself in the mirror as the baby grows would just be a sick reminder of what happened to her. Three, a pregnant 12 year old would have no life, everywhere she would go you would be stared down by people whispering things in other peoples ears, the embarassment she would feel, you and I could only imagine. And the most important point yet, pregnancy is hard enough for a twenty year old, even worse for a 16 year old, heck I wouldn't be surprised if the 12 year old DIED while she went through labor. A girl who just got her period and then was raped by some creepy-butt dude should not have to suffer through THAT much. And for 9 months.

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For me you could have been raped, you could be 12, your baby could be retarded. Thats no reason to murder another human life. I don't think there are any excuses for abortion.

But if your 12 && were raped, for one school would be heck for you and something really touchy like being raped would be ALL OVER the school, two, if they left school, what about friends A SOCIAL life, that 12 year olds life would be a disaster and everytime she looked at herself in the mirror as the baby grows would just be a sick reminder of what happened to her. Three, a pregnant 12 year old would have no life, everywhere she would go you would be stared down by people whispering things in other peoples ears, the embarassment she would feel, you and I could only imagine. And the most important point yet, pregnancy is hard enough for a twenty year old, even worse for a 16 year old, heck I wouldn't be surprised if the 12 year old DIED while she went through labor. A girl who just got her period and then was raped by some creepy-butt dude should not have to suffer through THAT much. And for 9 months.

Social matters arent a concern. Deal with it. Its harsh, I know, but deal with it. Everything happens for a reason, including pregnancy, no matter how it happened.

so... just because it's not convenient for the mother, the child should die? what about adoption? anyone ever think of that?!
and btw... did you know that the national average age for teen pregnany is12? so... obviously, it's been done before, so it can be done again... it's not impossible, so quit treating it like it is...
the mother can always get help... but there's no helping the baby once someone kills it... unless you can pull a method of ressurecting a dead baby out of your arse... if you can... let me know...

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Social matters arent a concern. Deal with it. Its harsh, I know, but deal with it. Everything happens for a reason, including pregnancy, no matter how it happened.

And if both the 12 year old AND the baby died in labor. Neither life is equally important??? Imagine a 12 year old HORROR, rape is probably the worst thing that could happen to a girl. And i'm not saying EVERY 12 year old of the world should go out and have an abortion, because that would be wrong, but if it were a matter of life or death, for both the mother and the child, or if the 12 year old had been raped, which would probably lead to emotional scarring AND suicide.... then abortion seems like an opition. There would be no right or wrong options in that case.

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Social matters arent a concern. Deal with it. Its harsh, I know, but deal with it. Everything happens for a reason, including pregnancy, no matter how it happened.

And if both the 12 year old AND the baby died in labor. Neither life is equally important??? Imagine a 12 year old HORROR, rape is probably the worst thing that could happen to a girl. And i'm not saying EVERY 12 year old of the world should go out and have an abortion, because that would be wrong, but if it were a matter or life or death, for both the mother and the child, or if the 12 year old had been raped, which would probably leave to emotional scarring AND suicide.... then abortion seems like an opition. There would be no right or wrong options in that case.

Again, I still am against abortion. I am 100% for nature just taking its course. Don't destroy someone Else's life for something they had nothing to do with. If I was rape I would use up my time making sure that the bastard who raped me was found and put in jail, I wouldn't waste my time killing an innocent child.

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Don't destroy someone Else's life for something they had nothing to do with.

Thats exactly the point. Why should a 12 year old have to suffer through pregnacy and every emotional problem that comes with rape. Because she was raped. Something that was never her fault in the first place.


And with that I leave you all to yourselfs. TOODLES!!!

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Don't destroy someone Else's life for something they had nothing to do with.

Thats exactly the point. Why should a 12 year old have to suffer through pregnacy and every emotional problem that comes with rape. Because she was raped. Something that was never her fault in the first place.


And with that I leave you all to yourselfs. TOODLES!!!

But it happened to her. Thats her life, she's got to face it. Not use her time making it look like its the babies fault. The baby did nothing, and nothing should be done to it. The girl is pregnant, move and and deal with life as it comes.

you people are disgusting
your saying that a 12 year old who gets freaked out by getting their period should NOT get an aboration if raped?
thats disgusting.

EDIT: my little sister just got her period. She knew it was gonna happen and knew the basics of it but..
she freaked out! she was crying. think back when you were 12..could you handle birthing a baby. i couldn't

^I agree with you about it being disgusting, but please refrain from using profanity on the discussion board. Let's try to keep the discussion somewhat civil.

I probably won't post much, but I just had to get this out of the way.

Reading what I have of this thread has been really upsetting - I mean, think about it. It all depends on what you view a fetus as: a person or just a lifeform. The recent subject about a twelve year old girl forced to have a child is something that bothers me. A young person put through a horrifying experience such as rape, forced to give birth to a child they didn't chose to have and possibly die because of it, is far worse than aborting something that could potentially become a human being some day. Of course, at the point it'd be aborted, what would it be but a mass of cells?

And those who talk about abortion being bad for religious reasons, you can't bring the bible into one topic without bringing it all over the place. If you say God doesn't want us to abort children, you also have to say God doesn't want us to eat lobster. Those who do are sinners. Guess what? That's in the bible, too. A lot of stuff is.

I can't seriously compare a... not even a fetus, but a lump of cells, to a human being. It's the same way I don't compare a seed to a tree. Maybe I'm insensetive. I don't really care. If we cut down a tree, people will miss it. If we dig up a recently planted seed, no one cares. If it will help a woman whose made a mistake or has been raped or the protection didn't work, I don't mind abortion. Why wreck an already established life just because some sperm made contact with an egg?

^but if you pull a seed from the ground, people will be angry because that seed could be a living thing, and by pulling it out of the ground (and even if its recently been planted its already started to develop) you just destroyed something alive.

and don't say its not worth anything, and that it's only 'sperm made contact with a egg', when that happens its considered a miracle. i cant stop a woman from getting a abortion but i will seriously look down on them for it(who cares what a 15 year old has to say?what if that girl has full potential to be know far and wide for whats shes done in the future?) and for everyone who said 'that's disgusting', abortion is so beautiful right? you're killing something that can be a potential human being, and is developed. a embryo is a baby in a early stage, with abortion i think its disgusting.

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Ok...rape, incest, physical, emotional, financial. Those are a lot. And most women who have abortions would fit into one of those categories. Financial and emotional would probably be the top two. I think that that's too many things to let off the hook for abortion, but that's just my opinion. Saying that in any of those cases its ok is like saying that its almost always ok, which in earlier posts you say you do not believe. I'm a bit confused...

(Sorry to go after one of your comments, it just stuck out to me.)

oh jeez, i need to explain more ^^;. what i meant by financial, if a women is so poor to the point where she barely has enough money for herself (to even go through with birth). by emotional, as she hormones in her body will cause her to freak and kill the baby when its a fetus. by physical, the baby will cause her body to collapse and kill them both. i let them off the hook for that, but i still will look down on them. those are the only reasons when i think abortions are OK, but if its minor (you'll have a little breakdown, you'll get tired, or your minimum wade) i think its stupid to make your child die before they live for that, or you treated it like birth control.
(its OK, i made it sound a little different because i was alone against 5 people and didn't want to be attacked with no help)

and with rape, if it'll traumatize you then get it. but in my opinion if you go through with birth after being raped, i will serious look up to you and think you're extremely brave. enough said.

it's just wrong... end of story... that's it... it's over...
simple as that...
no exceptions...
it's not pretty... it's not convenient...
it's murder....
the end.
the sooner people realize that the better...

Girl next door:

^but if you pull a seed from the ground, people will be angry because that seed could be a living thing, and by pulling it out of the ground (and even if its recently been planted its already started to develop) you just destroyed something alive.

and don't say its not worth anything, and that it's only 'sperm made contact with a egg', when that happens its considered a miracle.

Nobody cares about a damn plant. That argument is completely irrelevant.

And I don't believe conception is a 'miracle' - it happens thousands of times every single day, and has done for the last 2 million years or something. It's not special, it's part of life. Saying something is a 'mircale' implies that you have religious beliefs, which of course colour your views on certain topics to an extent where you stop making sense and just become one of those odd people standing in the street, waving their arms and screaming, 'You're all sinners! You're all going to hell!'
I have no religious beliefs, so my view on abortion is that the decision should be left up to the individual, not have their choices foisted upon them by people who don't share the same beliefs.
I mean, you'd probably get very upset if a Jewish person was told that they weren't allowed to eat chicken or beef, and forced into eating pork, which to them is against their beliefs, right? Why should you, as a non-Jew, be allowed to force your 'correct' beliefs on thsoe who don't subscribe to them? It's not fair for others to make decisions based on some misguided principle that, while it may have had its place 2 thousand years ago, is now just ridiculous to try and encourage in non-believers.

^there's tons of people people who care about that tree(don't call it 'damn plant'!)

religion has nothing to do with why i believe this is wrong. 'miracle' may not have been the best word. conception is amazing process, there that sound a little better?

no one is foisting there opinions on anyone who wants to get a abortion, if that's what we wanted to do right now we would be protesting, not posting. we're stating our opinions and you're saying it wrong, excuse us for defending ourselves.

DON'T bring religion into this. no ones pushing religious views on anyone, you just ranted on something that should've been in the religion thread.

genresR4losers:

it's just wrong... end of story... that's it... it's over...
simple as that...
no exceptions...
it's not pretty... it's not convenient...
it's murder....
the end.
the sooner people realize that the better...

People are aloud opinions different to yours, don't just assume that just because that's what you think, it's the only opinion that we're all aloud to have.

To me, aborting a fetus is not much more than using contraception in the first place. (Not to say, it should be used as contraception, but you get whatI I mean right?)

Simple and Clean:

^But it's not always 'just being careless'
No contraceptive is 100%.
So, even if they used it, they could still get pregnant.

if that's the case then... still... a risk was taken, and if the result was a baby, they (both parents/mother) should live with it, for me there's no good excuse for abortion.