Abortions.

I know that every time I have sex with my boyfriend I definately don't think 'oh no, what if both measures we take for contraception don't work! I'll have to live with having this baby!' and you know what, I bet MOST people don't think that.

I think the bottom line is that - it's YOUR body. You can decide what to do with it. If you do fall pregnant and both you and the father decide you don't want to go through with it, for whatever reason, you have the right to an abortion.

I think it's ridculous for anyone to say that someone HAS to go through with an unwanted pregnancy. And that's just it isn't it? It's UNWANTED.
I mean, I certainly wouldn't want to be a product of a pregnancy that my parents didn't want & couldn't deal with.

Everyone seems to go on & on about it's a 'baby' and it deserves the right to live.
But I haven't seen anyone bring up the QUALITY of life.
So you give birth to unwanted pregnancy - what are your options?
Adoption, seems like your best bet. But what if your child isn't adopted straight away? What if it has to spend time in a home (which is truly an awful experience), or what about the later turmoil when it finds out? What kind of impact might that have on the rest of it's life?

Or you can attempt to look after it yourself and give it the substandard care you can.

I personally never want children and I can't imagine what kind of care I would give it if I were forced to go through with a pregnancy.

But I guess if you want to force children to go through tough childhoods, and maybe worse adulthoods, then on your head be it.

I personally hope that one of you that is preaching this forcing of going to term with pregnancies DOES get pregnant, and realises what a shitty situation it can be when you can't afford, or can't deal with the responsibility. Harsh, but I think it's the only way you could actually see the reality of what you're actually saying.

ok I accept all your opinions

but am I the only one here who's living in a country where abortion is still illegal?

specks of crimson:

ok I accept all your opinions

but am I the only one here who's living in a country where abortion is still illegal?

Be thankful that you have it that way.

CemeteryDrive123:

you people are disgusting
your saying that a 12 year old who gets freaked out by getting their period should NOT get an aboration if raped?
thats disgusting.

EDIT: my little sister just got her period. She knew it was gonna happen and knew the basics of it but..
she freaked out! she was crying. think back when you were 12..could you handle birthing a baby. i couldn't

Getting your period really isn't that big a deal. I know it freaks a lot of girls out, but come on, grow up and get over it. Every girl will grow through it, that's just life. If she gets raped, then that's life too. Its not pretty, its not nice, its called life. Things happen. Bad things. But that doesn't mean that I want to give the power of deciding between life and death to a 12 year old girl and her scared parents. That's just stupid.

^I don't think anyone can understand how it feels to get raped at such an age, and to actually go through with the pregnancy unless it has hapened to them.

You're making it sound like pregancy is a walk in the park, and that the effects of having a child before you are even a teenager would have on them are minimal, .

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Getting your period really isn't that big a deal. I know it freaks a lot of girls out, but come on, grow up and get over it. Every girl will grow through it, that's just life. If she gets raped, then that's life too. Its not pretty, its not nice, its called life. Things happen. Bad things. But that doesn't mean that I want to give the power of deciding between life and death to a 12 year old girl and her scared parents. That's just stupid.

And that ALSO would be stupid. To keep the baby, a baby you never wanted, a baby that caused you so much pain, a baby that is a reminder of what happened to you everytime you looked in it's eyes. And adoption... giving up a baby is hard, not as easy as it may seem either, and I don't think a twelve year old should have to give up a baby, let alone go through with pregnancy. I don't know, it just seems wrong unless it was one of those rare situations. Every cell has a chance of turning into a creature. A living breathing creature with thoughts and motions. And I know going through a pregnancy would be extremely hard, but, think of the baby's adopted mothers FACE when she sees the baby shes wanted ALL her life, but could never have. And the whole idea of a foster home I'm sure the child would rather be there instead of dead. Thats why, unless it's a rare situation like I mentioned, financial, medical, emotional, or whatever.... it's just wrong. A baby is supposed to bring JOY into someones life, not misery.

In the end, it really just depends on the situation.

Simple and Clean:

^I don't think anyone can understand how it feels to get raped at such an age, and to actually go through with the pregnancy unless it has hapened to them.

You're making it sound like pregancy is a walk in the park, and that the effects of having a child before you are even a teenager would have on them are minimal, .

I never said birth was easy, I said that its a part of life, at any age. I feel terrible for girls that are raped, I really do, but I still dont see it as an excuse to kill an embryo. Its just not an excuse. I dont think that there is any excuse.

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Getting your period really isn't that big a deal. I know it freaks a lot of girls out, but come on, grow up and get over it. Every girl will grow through it, that's just life. If she gets raped, then that's life too. Its not pretty, its not nice, its called life. Things happen. Bad things. But that doesn't mean that I want to give the power of deciding between life and death to a 12 year old girl and her scared parents. That's just stupid.

And that ALSO would be stupid. To keep the baby, a baby you never wanted, a baby that caused you so much pain, a baby that is a reminder of what happened to you everytime you looked in it's eyes. And adoption... giving up a baby is hard, not as easy as it may seem either, and I don't think a twelve year old should have to give up a baby, let alone go through with pregnancy. I don't know, it just seems wrong unless it was one of those rare situations. Every cell has a chance of turning into a creature. A living breathing creature with thoughts and motions. And I know going through a pregnancy would be extremely hard, but, think of the baby's adopted mothers FACE when she sees the baby shes wanted ALL her life, but could never have. And the whole idea of a foster home I'm sure the child would rather be there instead of dead. Thats why, unless it's a rare situation like I mentioned, financial, medical, emotional, or whatever.... it's just wrong. A baby is supposed to bring JOY into someones life, not misery.

In the end, it really just depends on the situation.

I dont think it does. I think that abortions are selfish, no matter what situation. Kill an embryo to better your life? That sure as heck doesnt seem right to me. A baby wont always bring joy, but a baby is still a baby. It deserves to live no matter what situations it will be put into. Anyone can overcome their life if they hold strong and keep going. The mother can, the baby can too.

I am 100% against abortions. In all cases.

I guess at this point (being that certain people refuse to accept others' opinions, and continue to scream 'Murder! Murder!' when we've already covered - time and time again - that abortion is NO SUCH THING, and that embryos are NOT babies, or 'alive' in the true sense of the word), all I can say is that I feel so, so sorry for the unwanted children of people who share similar beliefs to Genres and NotOkay22.

As one poster said previously, 'I don't believe the pro-lifers have taken into account the quality of life these children would have'. Not in so many words, but I'm sure we'd all agree that that was the point of their statement. Pro-lifers love to jump on their moral high horses and rave on and on about the 'rights' these 'children' have to live, but they obviously live in a fantasy world where everybody has money, a home, food on the table, and a family to love them.

Welcome to reality. I bet all you pro-lifers are vehemently against child abuse, drug abuse, and suicide, and feel sorry for the homeless, jobless, displaced and unfortunate people who barely manage to keep a grip on this life. Have you ever stopped to think beyond your uneducated 'murder' statements, and realised that a lot of these people are the product of an unwanted, yet unterminated, pregnancy?
Parents who are forced to bear children they cannot care for, for whatever reason, or do not want, for whatever reason, are often subjected to horrific abuse, or neglect (which is just about as bad, when you think about it). Making abortion illegal, or trying to discourage abortion, and thereby forcing women to continue with a pregnancy they didn't want, is not going to help the statistics on child abuse/neglect. If anything, it would make it worse. Some people are just not meant to be parents, and you're seriously delusional if you prance through your perfect existence believing that all women are maternal and will suddenly switch into 'mother mode' as soon as they hold their unwanted child. Being forced to carry a pregnancy to term does not by any means guarantee you'll bond with the child, or even have anything to do with the child. Look at the instances of child abandonment or infanticide you see on the news - being forced into having their baby didn't turn these girls and women into Mother of the Year, did it?
Wake up.

What's your other option? Adoption? Well, I'll share a personal story. Someone I know, am quite close to, was an unwanted child. He was put in an orphanage (biological parents cannot, by law, choose prospective adoptive parents in Australia, children must be made wards of the state and adopted out through an agency, so don't suggest that as an option, it's not viable in Australia, and can carry jail time) as a baby, after his natural father broke both his legs.
He was never adopted out by a loving family, and instead was subjected to what would amount to veritable torture in many people's opinions - especially these do-gooding, 'love the children, even the embryos' posters. He was beaten almost daily by the people who were meant to be caring for him, saw sexual molestations occur on a regular basis, and was thrown out of the orphanage at the age of fifteen with only the clothes on his back and ten dollars to his name.
This boy had no job, no home, no money, and no knowledge of how to gain these things. He was homeless, living on the streets, became a drug addict and a criminal, and ended up serving years in prison. Eventually he managed to make it out of that life and settled down to have children of his own, but it takes a strong person to do that, and not a lot of people make it that far.
Most of these unwanted children grow up to become hardened criminals, drug addicts, or they don't grow up at all - they simply can't cope with the obstacles life hands them, and opt to get out.


So, when considering whether you're for or against abortion, you may not stop to consider the mother's rights as a living, breathing, thinking human being who has already experienced life and probably wants to continue living it, but I suggest you stop and think about the type of life an unwanted child would have.
Definitely not all hearts-and-flowers and loving, adoptive parents, that's for sure.

I can quite honestly say that I would rather have been terminated as an embryo, and never known any different, than be brought into this world in such terrible circumstances.

NotOkay22:

Be thankful that you have it that way.

Yes, I am. :]

*sorry for the spam*

^ So, if you found out you were 2 weeks pregnant today, you'd seriously carry the baby to term, birth it and keep it / give it away, and not even consider abortion? (Just pretend it was legal for a moment)

where do you live specks of crimson

Cigarettes And Suicide:

I guess at this point (being that certain people refuse to accept others' opinions, and continue to scream 'Murder! Murder!' when we've already covered - time and time again - that abortion is NO SUCH THING, and that embryos are NOT babies, or 'alive' in the true sense of the word), all I can say is that I feel so, so sorry for the unwanted children of people who share similar beliefs to Genres and NotOkay22.

As one poster said previously, 'I don't believe the pro-lifers have taken into account the quality of life these children would have'. Not in so many words, but I'm sure we'd all agree that that was the point of their statement. Pro-lifers love to jump on their moral high horses and rave on and on about the 'rights' these 'children' have to live, but they obviously live in a fantasy world where everybody has money, a home, food on the table, and a family to love them.

Welcome to reality. I bet all you pro-lifers are vehemently against child abuse, drug abuse, and suicide, and feel sorry for the homeless, jobless, displaced and unfortunate people who barely manage to keep a grip on this life. Have you ever stopped to think beyond your uneducated 'murder' statements, and realised that a lot of these people are the product of an unwanted, yet unterminated, pregnancy?
Parents who are forced to bear children they cannot care for, for whatever reason, or do not want, for whatever reason, are often subjected to horrific abuse, or neglect (which is just about as bad, when you think about it). Making abortion illegal, or trying to discourage abortion, and thereby forcing women to continue with a pregnancy they didn't want, is not going to help the statistics on child abuse/neglect. If anything, it would make it worse. Some people are just not meant to be parents, and you're seriously delusional if you prance through your perfect existence believing that all women are maternal and will suddenly switch into 'mother mode' as soon as they hold their unwanted child. Being forced to carry a pregnancy to term does not by any means guarantee you'll bond with the child, or even have anything to do with the child. Look at the instances of child abandonment or infanticide you see on the news - being forced into having their baby didn't turn these girls and women into Mother of the Year, did it?
Wake up.

What's your other option? Adoption? Well, I'll share a personal story. Someone I know, am quite close to, was an unwanted child. He was put in an orphanage (biological parents cannot, by law, choose prospective adoptive parents in Australia, children must be made wards of the state and adopted out through an agency, so don't suggest that as an option, it's not viable in Australia, and can carry jail time) as a baby, after his natural father broke both his legs.
He was never adopted out by a loving family, and instead was subjected to what would amount to veritable torture in many people's opinions - especially these do-gooding, 'love the children, even the embryos' posters. He was beaten almost daily by the people who were meant to be caring for him, saw sexual molestations occur on a regular basis, and was thrown out of the orphanage at the age of fifteen with only the clothes on his back and ten dollars to his name.
This boy had no job, no home, no money, and no knowledge of how to gain these things. He was homeless, living on the streets, became a drug addict and a criminal, and ended up serving years in prison. Eventually he managed to make it out of that life and settled down to have children of his own, but it takes a strong person to do that, and not a lot of people make it that far.
Most of these unwanted children grow up to become hardened criminals, drug addicts, or they don't grow up at all - they simply can't cope with the obstacles life hands them, and opt to get out.


So, when considering whether you're for or against abortion, you may not stop to consider the mother's rights as a living, breathing, thinking human being who has already experienced life and probably wants to continue living it, but I suggest you stop and think about the type of life an unwanted child would have.
Definitely not all hearts-and-flowers and loving, adoptive parents, that's for sure.

I can quite honestly say that I would rather have been terminated as an embryo, and never known any different, than be brought into this world in such terrible circumstances.

You think I like to see these things happen? HELL NO! But abortion doesn't solve anything either. It just makes things worse. Maybe not the day after it occured, maybe not years after it occurred, but all in all and innocent embryo was killed at the fault of someone else! The world is f'ed up! I know that! I don't like it! But there isn't much I can do now is there? I cant stop war and rape and violence! But what I can do is stick up for those who cant stick up for themselves. Why? Because that's how I choose to live my life. You can call me heartless and cruel, do you really think that that will affect me? Cause newsflash, it wont! Because I know what I believe in and I'm not gonna back down on it just because some people I don't know think I'm stupid. Why the hell should I believe you? Why the hell should I trust my opinions in the hands of the Internet? I wont. Abortion is f'ed up, just like everything else in this world.

NotOkay22:

Why the hell should I believe you?

A lot of us could ask the same thing of you, and your answer would be?
That's right, you probably wouldn't have one.
At least not one that I would consider valid.

I stand by my statements. Abortion may not 'solve everything', but it sure as hell couldn't make the situation worse. The less unwanted children brought into the world, only to struggle to survive, the better.

Cigarettes And Suicide:

NotOkay22:

Why the hell should I believe you?

A lot of us could ask the same thing of you, and your answer would be?
That's right, you probably wouldn't have one.
At least not one that I would consider valid.

I stand by my statements. Abortion may not 'solve everything', but it sure as hell couldn't make the situation worse. The less unwanted children brought into the world, only to struggle to survive, the better.

Thats exactly it. you cant say your right, I cant say Im right. I never said that Im right and your wrong. I said that I stand my opinion and that there is no reason for me to believe someone Ive never met and have no proof that they have an IQ above 5 (im not saying you do, Im just saying that I dont know, though I am pretty sure your IQ is above 5, but anyway...). Um...HELLO!! Ive seen abortion make things worse! Ive lived it, Ive seen it happen over and over again. I even met a girl who was so messed up after an abortion that she went insane. She lives in a mental institution to this day. Im not saying that will happen to everyone, but if it can happen to one person then it can happen to others well. Abortion is bull.

^ Plenty of messed-up things can happen to people who are already fragile.
Making a statement like that is akin to blaming Marilyn Manson's music for the Columbine tragedy - yes, those kids listened to Manson, but then so do millions of other kids all around the world, and they don't go shooting their classmates, do they? Obviously they were already mentally ill or otherwise disturbed, and perhaps the music influenced them to some degree, but it wasn't the sole cause of the disaster.

In case you can't get what I'm saying, I'll spell it out - if someone 'goes crazy' after an abortion, they were obviously already very fragile, and going through such a traumatic experience was the straw that broke the camel's back - not the sole event that caused them to become seriously ill. Plenty of women get abortions and they definitely do not all 'go crazy', so you can't blame abortion for someone's mental state. It may contribute to an illness, but they were probably already all messed up to begin with.

Cigarettes And Suicide:

^ Plenty of messed-up things can happen to people who are already fragile.
Making a statement like that is akin to blaming Marilyn Manson's music for the Columbine tragedy - yes, those kids listened to Manson, but then so do millions of other kids all around the world, and they don't go shooting their classmates, do they? Obviously they were already mentally ill or otherwise disturbed, and perhaps the music influenced them to some degree, but it wasn't the sole cause of the disaster.

In case you can't get what I'm saying, I'll spell it out - if someone 'goes crazy' after an abortion, they were obviously already very fragile, and going through such a traumatic experience was the straw that broke the camel's back - not the sole event that caused them to become seriously ill. Plenty of women get abortions and they definitely do not all 'go crazy', so you can't blame abortion for someone's mental state. It may contribute to an illness, but they were probably already all messed up to begin with.

They werent. Ive known them since they were a kid. They were always a very sane calm person. I dont know why it hit her so hard. It just did. Sometimes people's brains just get screwed up. Like if you get kidnapped and you have nightmares and are extremely paranoid because of the event...that kind of thing. She was never the same. They keep her there because they can never be sure that she wont commit suicide.

It's always the quiet ones, as they say. Sometimes you can never be sure what's going on behind closed doors.

I just thought I should point out that by no means do I believe abortion is the right choice for every woman who unexpectedly or unintentionally finds herself pregnant - as we've covered, there are other options, and they're there for a reason. Some people who didn't intend on having children decide to go through with it and become great mothers, others manage to overcome the obstacles that the foster and adoption systems present and everything works out fine. But for other women, abortion is the right choice for them, and that's why it should remain legal - so that people can make their own decisions and have all the options available to them.
I'm not advocating abortion, but I do see it as a necessary 'evil' (if you want to look at it as that, I prefer to see it as simply one more option that should be open to pregnant women), and that's why I support a woman's right to make a decision based on her individual circumstances, not say that 'only rape victims' or whatever should be able to terminate a pregnancy.

Cigarettes And Suicide:

It's always the quiet ones, as they say. Sometimes you can never be sure what's going on behind closed doors.

I just thought I should point out that by no means do I believe abortion is the right choice for every woman who unexpectedly or unintentionally finds herself pregnant - as we've covered, there are other options, and they're there for a reason. Some people who didn't intend on having children decide to go through with it and become great mothers, others manage to overcome the obstacles that the foster and adoption systems present and everything works out fine. But for other women, abortion is the right choice for them, and that's why it should remain legal - so that people can make their own decisions and have all the options available to them.
I'm not advocating abortion, but I do see it as a necessary 'evil' (if you want to look at it as that, I prefer to see it as simply one more option that should be open to pregnant women), and that's why I support a woman's right to make a decision based on her individual circumstances, not say that 'only rape victims' or whatever should be able to terminate a pregnancy.

Didnt men to post whoops.

Cigarettes And Suicide:

It's always the quiet ones, as they say. Sometimes you can never be sure what's going on behind closed doors.

I just thought I should point out that by no means do I believe abortion is the right choice for every woman who unexpectedly or unintentionally finds herself pregnant - as we've covered, there are other options, and they're there for a reason. Some people who didn't intend on having children decide to go through with it and become great mothers, others manage to overcome the obstacles that the foster and adoption systems present and everything works out fine. But for other women, abortion is the right choice for them, and that's why it should remain legal - so that people can make their own decisions and have all the options available to them.
I'm not advocating abortion, but I do see it as a necessary 'evil' (if you want to look at it as that, I prefer to see it as simply one more option that should be open to pregnant women), and that's why I support a woman's right to make a decision based on her individual circumstances, not say that 'only rape victims' or whatever should be able to terminate a pregnancy.

Thats reasonable. I still dont entirely agree, but I can handle it. Its cool.