Abortions.

yea, many people do try..it doesn't mean their succesfull.
wait i want to get this straight. you beleive that say.. a 12 year old gets kidnapped, beaten, raped and gets impregnated then she shouldn't get an aboration

CemeteryDrive123:

yea, many people do try..it doesn't mean their succesfull.
wait i want to get this straight. you beleive that say.. a 12 year old gets kidnapped, beaten, raped and gets impregnated then she shouldn't get an aboration

Yep.
You people act like billions of girls get raped and impregnated everyday. I know that it isn't rare but it isn't exactly common either. I mean the chances of the 11 year old already having had her period, and getting raped on the few days when she is able to get pregnant isn't an extremely common thing to happen. It does happen, and its terrible, but we there is not much we can do about crazy freaks going around raping children.

I feel for these girls but I still don't support her getting an abortion.

^ that acctually happened to an 8 year old once, she got her period realllllllly young. but anyways, i agree that being raped isnt rare or common but as a girl, if in the future, if i got pregnant on accident, i shouldnt have to say that i got raped just to be able to get an abortion, and accidents happen, now that there is a way to fix one of the most life changing accidents, everyone complains about it. i know its "murder" but that depends on when you get the abortion.

i got my period when i was nine.
a 12 will probably die if they even attempt to have a child that young.
plust having a child that young will scare you for life. think about the girl instead of the embryo for one second!

CemeteryDrive123:

i got my period when i was nine.
a 12 will probably die if they even attempt to have a child that young.
plust having a child that young will scare you for life. think about the girl instead of the embryo for one second!

Yes, there is a good chance they will die, but there was the same chance (maybe even more of chance) 100 years ago. They still had to go through it. And I saw an 11 year old give birth and she lived. And most girls get their periods later then sooner. Ive seen a lot get their earlier (like you) but most girls get it at about the age of 11-14. I am against technology that saves life by destroying another. I am ok with technology that just saves your life, but if it saves your life and also destroys one in the process I dont support it at all.

so you think it's just okay to risk an actual girls life. Who has potantial to go places. who has her whole life in front of her. has friends and family. just becuase the baby inside that she never asked for has a slim chance of actually living?

CemeteryDrive123:

so you think it's just okay to risk an actual girls life. Who has potantial to go places. who has her whole life in front of her. has friends and family. just becuase the baby inside that she never asked for has a slim chance of actually living?

Look, I'm trying real hard not to bring religion into this. Really really hard. And it isn't easy, but I'm trying.

I believe that everything happens for a reason, and I believe that there is a time for everything, even death. When circumstances are put upon you, sometimes your times change. I believe that if you die in childbirth then there is a reason for it. It may not be "fair" you may not "deserve" it, but I believe that when your time comes it comes. That's the best description I can give you without bringing religion into the subject. I understand if you don't get what I'm saying, or you strongly oppose, but that's my how I look at it.

my post had nothign to do with religion and seeing as i dotn beleive in god i hope you don't birng god into the subject.
but it doesn't HAVE to happen. i can be prevented. easily. A embryo (please don't say baby becase it's not a baby yet) will NOT survive in a 12 year old body. it just won't. Sure there is a 1 in a millionth chance it might but risking someone who is actually someone for something thats not a someone yet just doesn't seem fair to the girl.

CemeteryDrive123:

my post had nothign to do with religion and seeing as i dotn beleive in god i hope you don't birng god into the subject.
but it doesn't HAVE to happen. i can be prevented. easily. A embryo (please don't say baby becase it's not a baby yet) will NOT survive in a 12 year old body. it just won't. Sure there is a 1 in a millionth chance it might but risking someone who is actually someone for something thats not a someone yet just doesn't seem fair to the girl.

Its isn't fair to the girl, it wasn't fair that the girl was raped either, and it wasn't fair that she got pregnant. But she did, and she was. Life isn't fair, its as simple as that.

In the wise words of Gandalf (I'm reciting this from memory so don't kill me if its not completely accurate):

Frodo: I wish the ring has never come to me, I wish none of this has happened.
Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times, but that's is not for them to decide. All that you get to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you.

I'm not sure if that is completely relevant, but if just popped into my head and I thought it had to do a little but with the conversation.

well if i ever have un protected sex.. im so glad the morning after pill could save me.

anyway. As much as i love frodo and gandalf (cause i love them so god dam much) i dont think you should drag them intot he convorsation. Hmm you say if a mother gets an abortation she's a murder...then if the baby inside her, kills her then isn't that murder also?

CemeteryDrive123:

well if i ever have un protected sex.. im so glad the morning after pill could save me.

anyway. As much as i love frodo and gandalf (cause i love them so god dam much) i dont think you should drag them intot he convorsation. Hmm you say if a mother gets an abortation she's a murder...then if the baby inside her, kills her then isn't that murder also?

Murder is purposely killing. The baby wouldn't choose to kill its mother. The baby doesn't choose to kill its mother, it happens naturally, making it not murder.

I don't really see the relevance of the morning after pill thing...?

sorry..i was thinking about it and i just typed it.

but did the girl choose to be raped?
and pregnacy does occur naturally
and what if the baby dies? on its own and the girl lives
is that murder?

Edit: and i'm sure if the girl was older say..17, 18 she would keep it.
but if she's as young as 12 then she will probably die for no reason othet then to give a 1 percent chance to something that will probably die anyway.

CemeteryDrive123:

sorry..i was thinking about it and i just typed it.

but did the girl choose to be raped?
and pregnacy does occur naturally
and what if the baby dies? on its own and the girl lives
is that murder?

Edit: and i'm sure if the girl was older say..17, 18 she would keep it.
but if she's as young as 12 then she will probably die for no reason othet then to give a 1 percent chance to something that will probably die anyway.

But I still believe that if the girl is taken away then she was taken for reason.

If the baby dies naturally then its not murder, because no one chose for it to die, it was natural. But abortion isnt natural.

and rape is natural..
ok i really didn't want to bring this into the conforsation but it has gotton out of hand.
I knew this girl once. She was taken into my mums hospital one night becuase she had been raped. a week later. not only was she brusied badly she was pregnant. now i dont really talk to any of my mums patients but my mum said the girl needed someone to keep her company. Like you she was anti aboration and so for the next nine months i visited her. She became my best friend. when it was time to have the baby. she was terrifed. i visited her before she went into labor. It was the last time i ever saw her. This was thre years ago. i was 12, she was 13.
so i have an experince on what happens to a young girl when she gets pregnant.

CemeteryDrive123:

and rape is natural..
ok i really didn't want to bring this into the conforsation but it has gotton out of hand.
I knew this girl once. She was taken into my mums hospital one night becuase she had been raped. a week later. not only was she brusied badly she was pregnant. now i dont really talk to any of my mums patients but my mum said the girl needed someone to keep her company. Like you she was anti aboration and so for the next nine months i visited her. She became my best friend. when it was time to have the baby. she was terrifed. i visited her before she went into labor. It was the last time i ever saw her. This was thre years ago. i was 12, she was 13.
so i have an experince on what happens to a young girl when she gets pregnant.

And its terrible that she died. But I have religion to comfort me and you don't, so I don't really know what to say without getting all religious on you so I guess I just wont say anything.

But I really am very sorry for your friend. She was very brave and in a way even though I don't know her, I respect her deeply and stand in awe at the brave decision that she made.

i know..
i wish she had gotton an aboration...
we still would have been friends.
she was so smart. She really could have gone places. Thats what i hate most about it. Girsl who die in childbirth could have been extreamly smart. Could have made a difference. It's taking something..someone from the world. not just an embryo has a slim chance of living.

CemeteryDrive123:

i know..
i wish she had gotton an aboration...
we still would have been friends.
she was so smart. She really could have gone places. Thats what i hate most about it. Girsl who die in childbirth could have been extreamly smart. Could have made a difference. It's taking something..someone from the world. not just an embryo has a slim chance of living.

But how do you know she isn't happier right now then she was on Earth? If you could see her right now, and she turned out to be happy and joyful, and beautiful would you still wish that she was still on Earth living life. Life that's harsh and cruel and evil.

I'm not trying to get all Heaven on you, I'm just saying that how can you tell that she didn't go places? That she didn't use her capabilities, that she didn't make a difference? Its just that who really knows if she isn't happy?

Well how do you know she is happy?
how do you know she isn't somewhere crying for her mother.
How do you know that she doesn't wants to be back here. surounded by family and friends?

CemeteryDrive123:

Well how do you know she is happy?
how do you know she isn't somewhere crying for her mother.
How do you know that she doesn't wants to be back here. surounded by family and friends?

Because that's what I believe. And I believe it with all my heart. And if I didn't believe it I probably would have committed suicide by now. Faith is what keeps me from wasting my life wondering about what could have happened. you don't have to believe it, but I would rather be the one that died then the one that watches others die and obsesses with what happened.

i don't beleive that...
i have no faith in anything. and i'm blissfully happy..
we're kind agetting out of topic