Fur coats and leather shoes

Everyone has opinions. We just have to remember to have respect for them. I support animal welfare too, I just don't show support for groups or organizations that use violence and terrror as a way to enforce their opinions. A little love goes a long way towards getting your voice heard. Peta has some spectacular ad campaigns against fur and leather. I just wish they were more honest people.

Beeblebrox:

PETA are terrorists. They support and fund violence, murder, arson and bombing. I'm sure they had good intentions in the beginning, but they are a very corrupt organization that rescues animals from shelters only to euthanize them and bury them in mass graves. They have a "death van" that is stocked with tackle boxes full of syringes and lethal drugs to kill kitties and puppies. Visit this website and see how PETA is admitting under court oath that they do indeed kill animals and dump them in dumpsters or freezers.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Bull.
I think you've got PETA and ALF mixed up. ALF are the ones known to be terrorists, since they break into buildings, smash computers in animal labs, set fire to places, etc, etc. But they all do it to save animals.
PETA itself does not endorse in violent acts. Now, some idiotic members have been known to go off on their own and be violent, and destroy things. Thus giving PETA the bad name they have.
And that site was made by someone who works in the meat industry, to "get back" at them. It's not true.
And yes, they have to euthanize some of the animals they get because they're so sick and injured from people hurting them. It'd be cruel not to destroy them.
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That aside, I personally think it's revolting to wear fur and leather. As humans, we're supposed to evolve over time, right? I believe we're past the stage of needing to wear fur and leather, as there are so many alternatives now. We just don't need them anymore.

strictly rude.:

I think you've got PETA and ALF mixed up. ALF are the ones known to be terrorists, since they break into buildings, smash computers in animal labs, set fire to places, etc, etc. But they all do it to save animals. PETA itself does not endorse in violent acts.

NO, I don't have them mixed up. Who do you think is behind the acts of terrorism? Where do you think the money comes from? PETA. PETA is the driving force behind all these "fronts". And they never release these animals after they rescue them. They always kill them or euthanize them.

In 2001 PETA donated $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his trial, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime.

PETA campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

So terrorism + euthanasia = right? I don't care what your beliefs are, terrorism is inexcusable. Violence is never the answer. Martin Luther King Jr. fought the war on civil rights and he won it, all without resorting to violence. You should take a page from his book.

But hey, let's examine what the president of PETA has to say...

I don’t have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves.— Ingrid Newkirk, The Washington Post, Nov 1983

"I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.”— Ingrid Newkirk, The Chronicle of Higher Education, Nov 1999

“Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”— Ingrid Newkirk, in the April 8, 2002 issue of US News & World Report , Apr 2002

“Would I rather the research lab that tests animals is reduced to a bunch of cinders? Yes.”— Ingrid Newkirk, New York Daily News, Dec 1997

"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause."-Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA

lottiepants.:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i114/xwasteofspacex/herestherestofyourfurcoat.jpg

yeah, that's a powerful picture. simple plan also did one like that. i don't wear fur or leather. i do eat meat, but only humanely raised animals. also, i eat organic eggs and drink organic milk. it's just healthier, plus, the videos on peta of non-humanely raised animals are just torture. it's not right.

I think its stupid to run into an animal testing lab and set everything on fire and smash crap and then take the animals and go. Just take the god damn animals and leave. Dont just make yourself look like jackasses!

Yeah, I eat meat but I think wearing fur coats, snake skin boots and shit like that is totally and completly wrong and sort of gross.
I mean that thing you are wearing used to be a living, breathing thing.
That's kind of creepy if you ask me...

Im back ><

Well..

Something needs to be done with all of the extra animal parts we have. I don't like the idea of raising an animal for fur, butif we are eating them, I would seriously prefer that we use everything else they have to offer.

Hmmmmm, I am against fur coats and such and I avoid leather products also. Way I see it there are so many other materials that are cheaper and easier to use, so why even bother with the "real" stuff.

Because, well at least with leather, otherwise, your wasting good animal parts, and the animal that died to feed us isn't being used to it's fullest

(things like real tinger fur and whatnot..that's just terrible)

^agreed. if its leather that's fine cause you already killed the cow for beef, we need to put the skin to use. but killing a fox for the sake of fashion is sick.

Beeblebrox:

And they never release these animals after they rescue them. They always kill them or euthanize them.

OK, WTH!
last time i checked PETA stood for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals . why would a company that's against animal testing and abuse, and promotes veganism, kill a animal? they spend so much money on advertisements showing humans in plastic cases, like the beef you buy at the market, to represent how the believe that animals and humans are no different. I'm sorry but i find it hard to believe that PETA would kill a animal, even with your research.

Because PETA doesn't want to spend the money keeping pets alive. PETA is anti Pet. They believe domestic pets are just "pathetic versions of their former selves, and should be wiped out of existance"

Ingrid's words, not mine. Those people are insane and must be stopped. \
http://www.petakillsanimals.com
more info here d00d

Yara; wtf...:

How come so many people hate fur coats, but not nearly as many people are against leather shoes?

What's your opinion on fur clothes?

go veganism!!!!!!!!!

Girl next door:

I'm sorry but i find it hard to believe that PETA would kill a animal, even with your research.

It's not research. It was on the news. Two Peta employees were on trial for a long time for their crimes. These pictures were taken by a photojournalist shortly after PETA employees Adria Hinkle and Andrew Cook were arrested in June 2005, for allegedly killing 31 adoptable animals and tossing their bodies into a trash dumpster. The photos show the inside of PETA's van; the tackle-box "death kit" (complete with syringes and lethal drugs); the trash dumpster where the dead animals were found; and several animals buried the next morning by local authorities. Warning, the photos of puppies in garbage bags might be disturbing.

Peta's Death Van

Also, during the trial PETA manager Dapha Nachminovitch confirmed that, yes, PETA does kill animals. A $9,370 walk-in freezer declared on PETA's 2002 federal income tax return was purchased ecplicitly for storing dead animals. And PETA contracts with a Virginia Beach company to incinerate the bodies. In all, Peta kills 90% of its rescued animals because they do not believe they should be in shelters becoming pets.

*totally against fur coats etc*

Yara; wtf...:

How come so many people hate fur coats, but not nearly as many people are against leather shoes?

What's your opinion on fur clothes?

Most people who hate one hate both.

The reason fur is more spoken against is because the fur industry is more violent than the leather industry.
Think about the Chinese fur trade (if you have ever seen videos from that, you cannot help but be forever disturbed) and seal clubbing.

Also, there is a lot of deciet within the fur world, which makes a lot of people angry.
For example:
I bought a winter jacket last year with fur trimming on the hood, on the sign it very clearly said "Faux Fur," and a few months ago, I found some "tests" on the Humane Society website to see if fur is real or fake. Long story, short, I found out the "faux" fur I had purchased was real.
It turns out that a lot of "faux" fur is actually dog fur, usually obtained from the Chinese fur trade.

I am hugely into animal rights, and needless to say, I was appauled.

However, I don't think there's a single person out there who believes it is okay to purhcase or wear leather, but not fur.

It also probably has a lot to do with how the two are advertised.
Fur is advertised as dignified, classy, and a sign of wealth.

Beeblebrox:

Peta's Death Van

helena0x013:

they were held by their feet and thrown against the floor twice as they were still alive, and they skinned them while they were still concious.

Oh shit...
Ugh, I can't even talk.
I am so discusted right now.

Beeblebrox:

Girl next door:

I'm sorry but i find it hard to believe that PETA would kill a animal, even with your research.

It's not research. It was on the news. Two Peta employees were on trial for a long time for their crimes. These pictures were taken by a photojournalist shortly after PETA employees Adria Hinkle and Andrew Cook were arrested in June 2005, for allegedly killing 31 adoptable animals and tossing their bodies into a trash dumpster. The photos show the inside of PETA's van; the tackle-box "death kit" (complete with syringes and lethal drugs); the trash dumpster where the dead animals were found; and several animals buried the next morning by local authorities. Warning, the photos of puppies in garbage bags might be disturbing.

Peta's Death Van

Also, during the trial PETA manager Dapha Nachminovitch confirmed that, yes, PETA does kill animals. A $9,370 walk-in freezer declared on PETA's 2002 federal income tax return was purchased ecplicitly for storing dead animals. And PETA contracts with a Virginia Beach company to incinerate the bodies. In all, Peta kills 90% of its rescued animals because they do not believe they should be in shelters becoming pets.

PETA also wants domesticated animals to either be put into the wild or "exterminated," and that was the word Ingrid Newkirk used.

So PETA employees have been charged for animal cruelty and the organization is very open about wanting to see domestic cats and dogs completely done away with.

Girl next door:

Beeblebrox:

And they never release these animals after they rescue them. They always kill them or euthanize them.

OK, WTH!
last time i checked PETA stood for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals . why would a company that's against animal testing and abuse, and promotes veganism, kill a animal? they spend so much money on advertisements showing humans in plastic cases, like the beef you buy at the market, to represent how the believe that animals and humans are no different. I'm sorry but i find it hard to believe that PETA would kill a animal, even with your research.

Actually, they only kill or euthanize the animal if it is terminally ill or otherwise harmed beyond saving.
As most pet owners would do for their own pets.

They simply release those animals into the wild, where they end up not knowing how to survive, so they die anyway.
But PETA can shrug off the blame for that.