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skystiles. Banned Age: - Gender: - Posts: 13229	June 16th, 2007 at 04:51am Wild Eyed Joker.: I'm Christian, and I've said it before. I abide by God's rules - even if people flame me for being anti-gay. Well, I'm against practicing gays. If you're gay and you don't have gay relationships, that's fine. Many gay men marry women and fight their homosexuality. It's a brave thing to do. You are exactly the type of Christian I can't stand. You and Wild Eyed Joker. I suppose you think wearing two types of fabric is immoral too, don't you? Or planting two different types of crops in one plot? Those are sins in the Bible, too. But I bet you don't know that, and don't care? You just pick and choose the rules you'll follow. Homosexuality grosses you out...so it's what you oppose most. Other things? Well, they're just "minor" sins. Guess what? In the Bible, there are no major or minor sins, all sin is equal. Stop with your hypocritical bullshit, and don't bring up gay rights here, do it in the gay rights thread. P.S. Gerard hates homophobes as much as I do. He says they should break MCR's cds and not listen to their music. I can post his exact quote if you want.
Silverstein Bleeding on the Floor Age: 28 Gender: Male Posts: 1248	June 16th, 2007 at 11:42am Interesting point. What can't you stand about me? I mean, God is more merciful than people think. Maybe he is for gay rights - I dunno. I stand by what I think. This is the religion thread, and I'm Christian. I'm as confused as any other 13-year-old kid. Stop flaming me. I don't oppose homosexuality - I oppose practicing homosexuality - and not the most. Murder is worse, ten billion things are worse. Stop trying to change my mind. For a person who's ava looks nice, you certainly have a volatile temper. So what if I oppose certain things? Am I a friggin' outcast now? I always have been, always will. They're my beliefs. I appreciate yours and everyone else's. It's a free country.
Oxycontin Genocide. Banned Age: 27 Gender: Male Posts: 2955	June 16th, 2007 at 12:27pm Wild Eyed Joker.: Interesting point. What can't you stand about me? I mean, God is more merciful than people think. Maybe he is for gay rights - I dunno. I stand by what I think. This is the religion thread, and I'm Christian. I'm as confused as any other 13-year-old kid. Stop flaming me. I don't oppose homosexuality - I oppose practicing homosexuality - and not the most. Murder is worse, ten billion things are worse. Stop trying to change my mind. For a person who's ava looks nice, you certainly have a volatile temper. So what if I oppose certain things? Am I a friggin' outcast now? I always have been, always will. They're my beliefs. I appreciate yours and everyone else's. It's a free country. We're not flaming you. It's a discussion. Yes, maybe she's attacking you, but you're the one posting in the discussion. Sorry. I won't flame you. Anyway, everybody believes in something, whether it's God, Spongebob, Evil Aliens, or logic. It'd be more logical to accept everybody for who they are, but there's always going to be some disagreement. :/
lady gaga. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 4471	June 16th, 2007 at 05:24pm Oxycontin Genocide.: Wild Eyed Joker.: Interesting point. What can't you stand about me? I mean, God is more merciful than people think. Maybe he is for gay rights - I dunno. I stand by what I think. This is the religion thread, and I'm Christian. I'm as confused as any other 13-year-old kid. Stop flaming me. I don't oppose homosexuality - I oppose practicing homosexuality - and not the most. Murder is worse, ten billion things are worse. Stop trying to change my mind. For a person who's ava looks nice, you certainly have a volatile temper. So what if I oppose certain things? Am I a friggin' outcast now? I always have been, always will. They're my beliefs. I appreciate yours and everyone else's. It's a free country. We're not flaming you. It's a discussion. Yes, maybe she's attacking you, but you're the one posting in the discussion. Sorry. I won't flame you. Anyway, everybody believes in something, whether it's God, Spongebob, Evil Aliens, or logic. It'd be more logical to accept everybody for who they are, but there's always going to be some disagreement. :/ Its true there will ALWAYS be disagreements. I am a christian and my beliefs are what i believe in i dont mind what other people believe in because thats their choice. I know that sometimes you just have to accept that other people may disagree with your religion because no matter what there will always be someone who doesnt agree.
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	June 16th, 2007 at 06:18pm I'm a Christian and I hate God. Why do I hate God? Because he's a prick and a liar. He says murder is wrong and then tells his people to go to war and kill them. What's that mean? It's okay to kill someone if they don't have the same God as you? Jesus was amazing. I think that even if you aren't Christian you can learn a lot from him. He preached love and acceptance. Jesus wouldn't care that I'm gay. Jesus is a liberal, and a cool one at that. Jesus taught us to respect everyone.
skystiles. Banned Age: - Gender: - Posts: 13229	June 16th, 2007 at 08:02pm druscilla; in rags: I'm a Christian and I hate God. Why do I hate God? Because he's a prick and a liar. He says murder is wrong and then tells his people to go to war and kill them. What's that mean? It's okay to kill someone if they don't have the same God as you? Jesus was amazing. I think that even if you aren't Christian you can learn a lot from him. He preached love and acceptance. Jesus wouldn't care that I'm gay. Jesus is a liberal, and a cool one at that. Jesus taught us to respect everyone. Very insightful.
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	June 16th, 2007 at 08:12pm I don't think God is really like that, though. The God I believe in isn't, at least.
Helena and Hearts Jazz Hands Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 314	June 16th, 2007 at 09:55pm i think anyone can belive anything they want
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	June 18th, 2007 at 02:00pm druscilla; in rags: I'm a Christian and I hate God. Why do I hate God? Because he's a prick and a liar. He says murder is wrong and then tells his people to go to war and kill them. What's that mean? It's okay to kill someone if they don't have the same God as you? Jesus was amazing. I think that even if you aren't Christian you can learn a lot from him. He preached love and acceptance. Jesus wouldn't care that I'm gay. Jesus is a liberal, and a cool one at that. Jesus taught us to respect everyone. I think that killing and murdering are different (this is just the way I see it). Killing, is like in battle, like if you join the army and fight for your country, or whatever, its not wrong, you wotn go to hell for joining the army, you are fighting for whats right (which is what God did with sending people into battle). Then murdering is (said by the dictionary) unlawful killing, which is killing for the wrong reasons (which is what God says is wrong). The people who wrote the Bible were really good friends with Jesus (most of them) and knew what he believed. So whatever was put in the original manuscripts is basically what Jesus believed(though we cant tell anymore what Bibles are the originals or not), so its hard to know what Jesus thought about all that stuff, but I do not agree that Jesus was very liberal. But that's just how I see it.
UndyingSoul. Really Not Okay Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 722	June 18th, 2007 at 02:03pm druscilla; in rags: I'm a Christian and I hate God. Why do I hate God? Because he's a prick and a liar. He says murder is wrong and then tells his people to go to war and kill them. What's that mean? It's okay to kill someone if they don't have the same God as you? Jesus was amazing. I think that even if you aren't Christian you can learn a lot from him. He preached love and acceptance. Jesus wouldn't care that I'm gay. Jesus is a liberal, and a cool one at that. Jesus taught us to respect everyone. I'm not saying that Jesus thought this, but you can not care if someone is gay or homosexual or whatever, and you can still love them and be friends and stuff, but you dont have to agree with their lifestyle. You can love and not agree at the same time. (again, I'm not saying that Jesus was anti-gay or anything, Im just pointning that out)
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	June 18th, 2007 at 03:04pm Wild Eyed Joker.: Interesting point. What can't you stand about me? I mean, God is more merciful than people think. Maybe he is for gay rights - I dunno. I stand by what I think. This is the religion thread, and I'm Christian. I'm as confused as any other 13-year-old kid. Stop flaming me. I don't oppose homosexuality - I oppose practicing homosexuality - and not the most. Murder is worse, ten billion things are worse. Stop trying to change my mind. For a person who's ava looks nice, you certainly have a volatile temper. So what if I oppose certain things? Am I a friggin' outcast now? I always have been, always will. They're my beliefs. I appreciate yours and everyone else's. It's a free country. I'm okay with you being anti-gay or whatever you call it as long as you don't comitt a hate crime. I think it's okay to be gay. (wow. that rhymed) You believe what you believe. And I somewhat admire you for speaking your mind in a place where just about everyone would want to kill you for it. Religion pushes everyone apart. Like what Hitler did to the Jews. I don't think Hitler was a bad person, I think he really, really, really believed the Jews were ruining his country. I hate how everyone makes him look so evil. It's not like I support what Hitler did. I think it was horrible. But you have to understand that he thought he was doing the right thing. That's all I wanted to say.
dont stop. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 4290	June 18th, 2007 at 03:08pm druscilla; in rags: I'm a Christian and I hate God. Why do I hate God? Because he's a prick and a liar. He says murder is wrong and then tells his people to go to war and kill them. What's that mean? It's okay to kill someone if they don't have the same God as you? Jesus was amazing. I think that even if you aren't Christian you can learn a lot from him. He preached love and acceptance. Jesus wouldn't care that I'm gay. Jesus is a liberal, and a cool one at that. Jesus taught us to respect everyone. I don't believe in god. But I don't agree with what you just said. No one knows what god's views are. No one knows whether he is a she. And no one knows what he thinks about things. So, if he really exists, what the church views as the words of god could be the opposite of what he says. If we are all his children, then he would accept us for what we are. We're only human, we're not perfect and we make mistakes.
Black Autumn Killjoy Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 29	June 18th, 2007 at 03:44pm I'm not religious but I have no problem wioth religious people. I myself don't agree with religion what with how many wars are to do with it, but then again I'd love to belive there's a god. It confuses me so much.
KillJoys Bulletproof Heart Age: - Gender: - Posts: 25453	June 18th, 2007 at 05:03pm druscilla; in rags: I'm a Christian and I hate God. Why do I hate God? Because he's a prick and a liar. He says murder is wrong and then tells his people to go to war and kill them. What's that mean? It's okay to kill someone if they don't have the same God as you? Jesus was amazing. I think that even if you aren't Christian you can learn a lot from him. He preached love and acceptance. Jesus wouldn't care that I'm gay. Jesus is a liberal, and a cool one at that. Jesus taught us to respect everyone. There is evil in the worlds such as war because God gave us Free Will meaning we can do what we want. We were given a set of rules to obeyed by and it is people NOT God who choose to ignore these rules and create evil. Evil is man made. God can't turn round and stop us from doing evil such as war. If God did we wouldn't have free will. It is us to prove to God we are good people and not engage in such things. And Jesus is God he is part of the holy trinity. God, Jesus and the holy sprit. They are not individuals. God was basically Jesus in human form. So therefore God taught those things.
Addictied To Gerard Killjoy Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 7	June 18th, 2007 at 06:10pm im not veru religous, but i love god. my family and me only go to church about 3-4 times a year. i am catholic and i wish it was more fun. in church no one sings and you hear the same stories everytime i go. i get sick of it but i stll lover god!
xXDrop.The.DaggerXx Killjoy Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 71	June 19th, 2007 at 01:02am My biggest problem with religion is that there will always be religious people that follow blind faith.They go to church, they pray, and they give, but they either only do it because their parents did it, or they do it because they are afraid of the alternative. I'm not trying to say that everyone is like that. I have debated many Christians who were able to supply specific and sufficient evidence to support their beliefs on certain issues. The ones I cannot stand are the ones that oppose things like gay marriage and stem cell research because "the Bible says it's wrong", and yet they have never picked up a Bible and read it for themselves. They simply spew whatever the pastor said in his sermon the previous Sunday. There is one particular girl in my forensics/debate class that argues that stem cell research is murder, and murder is a sin. When I argued back that then it is also murder to throw the unused embryos in the trash can to go to a landfill (which is what happens to most of them) and allowing someone who could have benefitted from them to die a slow, painful death, she told me I was going to hell for being pagan anyway, so my opinion didn't matter. That is the kind of argument that reminds me why I opted out of my father's church.
Oxycontin Genocide. Banned Age: 27 Gender: Male Posts: 2955	June 19th, 2007 at 07:26am WelcomToMyHorrorShow: druscilla; in rags: I'm a Christian and I hate God. Why do I hate God? Because he's a prick and a liar. He says murder is wrong and then tells his people to go to war and kill them. What's that mean? It's okay to kill someone if they don't have the same God as you? Jesus was amazing. I think that even if you aren't Christian you can learn a lot from him. He preached love and acceptance. Jesus wouldn't care that I'm gay. Jesus is a liberal, and a cool one at that. Jesus taught us to respect everyone. There is evil in the worlds such as war because God gave us Free Will meaning we can do what we want. We were given a set of rules to obeyed by and it is people NOT God who choose to ignore these rules and create evil. Evil is man made. God can't turn round and stop us from doing evil such as war. If God did we wouldn't have free will. It is us to prove to God we are good people and not engage in such things. And Jesus is God he is part of the holy trinity. God, Jesus and the holy sprit. They are not individuals. God was basically Jesus in human form. So therefore God taught those things. If you're not Christian, then Jesus and God were not part of the holy trinity. Jesus did exist, but if you're not Christian, then Jesus was not a Messiah, he was a person who preached these things to people. Just a man.
xXDrop.The.DaggerXx Killjoy Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 71	June 19th, 2007 at 06:16pm ^ A valid point. And I also feel it's important to point out, and I know I'll probably be flamed for this, but historically speaking Jesus was Jewish, not Christian. Christianity came later. In my opinion Jesus was nothing more than a normal human being who preached forgiveness and love in a time where that kind of thing would get you killed. And also, guys, Jesus might have been nailed to a cross, but that's nothing significant. It was a roman punishment; they crucified a lot of people...
KillJoys Bulletproof Heart Age: - Gender: - Posts: 25453	June 20th, 2007 at 08:30am xXDrop.The.DaggerXx: ^ A valid point. And I also feel it's important to point out, and I know I'll probably be flamed for this, but historically speaking Jesus was Jewish, not Christian. Christianity came later. In my opinion Jesus was nothing more than a normal human being who preached forgiveness and love in a time where that kind of thing would get you killed. And also, guys, Jesus might have been nailed to a cross, but that's nothing significant. It was a roman punishment; they crucified a lot of people... Indeed I see what you are saying. Jesus was Jewish, because the Jews were Gods 'chosen people'. However Jesus did not keep to Jewish law. And Christianity started when Jesus started his missionary work and before that when John the Baptist [ Jesus’ cousin] baptised people in the river Jordan, where Jesus was also baptised. Jesus himself taught that God accepted everyone and gave a different account of how God could be view. Where in the old testament we show a vengeful God in the New testament we see a God of forgiveness. In my eyes Jesus was God in human form and referred to God as his 'father' as a metaphor. Remember people had very basic intelligence back then. A Father is a person we can all relate too, which we should respect honour and love. That’s why I feel Jesus used the term 'My Father' a lot. And indeed crucifixion was a common punishment but it was more common among slaves. If you were rich or a noble man you could just be exiled. The crucifixion is not that significant it is meant to be the resurrection which is key to the Christian faith. The crucifixion is just a common Christian symbol because it reminds Christians of the suffering Jesus when through. Also you have to take into account before this he was whipped and taunted not like the other two robbers that died beside him.
KillJoys Bulletproof Heart Age: - Gender: - Posts: 25453	June 20th, 2007 at 08:45am Oxycontin Genocide.: WelcomToMyHorrorShow: druscilla; in rags: I'm a Christian and I hate God. Why do I hate God? Because he's a prick and a liar. He says murder is wrong and then tells his people to go to war and kill them. What's that mean? It's okay to kill someone if they don't have the same God as you? Jesus was amazing. I think that even if you aren't Christian you can learn a lot from him. He preached love and acceptance. Jesus wouldn't care that I'm gay. Jesus is a liberal, and a cool one at that. Jesus taught us to respect everyone. There is evil in the worlds such as war because God gave us Free Will meaning we can do what we want. We were given a set of rules to obeyed by and it is people NOT God who choose to ignore these rules and create evil. Evil is man made. God can't turn round and stop us from doing evil such as war. If God did we wouldn't have free will. It is us to prove to God we are good people and not engage in such things. And Jesus is God he is part of the holy trinity. God, Jesus and the holy sprit. They are not individuals. God was basically Jesus in human form. So therefore God taught those things. If you're not Christian, then Jesus and God were not part of the holy trinity. Jesus did exist, but if you're not Christian, then Jesus was not a Messiah, he was a person who preached these things to people. Just a man. I understand where you are coming if you are not Christian then you don’t believe in Jesus or see him as the Messiah. They see him as a profit like Elijah a messenger sent by God. However if Jesus was just a man how could he perform such miracles like the calming of the storm? Walking on water? Feeding of the 5000? Perform numerous exorcisms? He must have been more than just man to possess such powers. And even if you question these miracle, how can you justify that several gospels have been written from different countries containing the same story? And let me say before you tell me that they just took one gospel and wrote it over and over again in different forms. The gospels were kept hidden if the Romans found out that scripture they would face death. Also the gospels were NOT written by Jesus’ disciples. All of the disciples were young men a mixture of Jews and gentiles and then were uneducated and would have not been able to read or write well.

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