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KillJoys
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June 20th, 2007 at 09:03am
I know I always seemed to be fighting in Gods corner but I myself am an Agnostic [I’m unsure wither God does or does not exist]. I do find it a bit ideal that as humans we could commit the most atrocious, hideous sins/crimes in the world and we can turn around and ask God for forgiveness and be granted it. I know you have to be truly sorry and repent with all you’re heart, but I don’t see how saying the rosary fifty times and a praise saying ‘your sins are forgive’ can ever being to justify what you have done or account for your actions. I just find the whole thing idealistic, its human nature to want forgiveness when we have wronged some one. I feel that even in the most coldest of hearts, they too seek forgiveness. I don’t know the whole thing just doesn’t add up for me.

I understand that some may view this life as a way to prove to God wither we are good people or not and wither we deserve forgiveness. But what is the point in him creating us then? Why did he do that? Why does he want us to prove ourselves when we have nothing to prove in the first place? What’s the point is it all one big game? If God is forgiving then he must forgive everyone then everyone gets into heaven making life meaningless. I know this is getting deep and more into the meaning of life. But I know the meaning of life in its purest form we are here to live, reproduce and die alone. So why did God put us here if he will just forgive us for our sins any way? The only thing I can come up with at the minute is that there is not a God and we are just here to live and die.

God was manufacture to make people less scared of death. To give them hope that there is something better than life and that when we die we well be reunited with our loved ones. I mean faith is a great comfort to people. It helps them cope and get though life, making them feel not so lonely. More than anything I think ‘God’ stops people from being lonely and fearing death.
ISeeYouLyinNextToMe
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June 20th, 2007 at 10:33am
One thing I don't believe is that the definition of Atheist is not believing. I'm an atheist, and I don't NOT believe, I just don't know what I believe in
KillJoys
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June 20th, 2007 at 11:08am
ISeeYouLyinNextToMe:
One thing I don't believe is that the definition of Atheist is not believing. I'm an atheist, and I don't NOT believe, I just don't know what I believe in


Then doesn't that make you Agnostic if you are unsure or don't know. Because Atheist is not believing in anything.
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June 20th, 2007 at 11:32am
WelcomToMyHorrorShow:
ISeeYouLyinNextToMe:
One thing I don't believe is that the definition of Atheist is not believing. I'm an atheist, and I don't NOT believe, I just don't know what I believe in


Then doesn't that make you Agnostic if you are unsure or don't know. Because Atheist is not believing in anything.

No, Atheism is believing in logic and science. It's not the absence of belief, it's just living life not worshiping any religion. You believe that you have the power of free will, and you do what's best for yourself and other people.
T!NY
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June 20th, 2007 at 01:31pm
im catholic, raised in a catholic household. when i was younger i use to pull my hair out, stomp my feet and scream until my little lungs fell out because i hated church, sunday school, and anything to do with religion.....i didnt understand it. But now, religion gives me hope, somthing to believe in...I enjoy feeling "pure". I know some people feel that religion is stupid, but i believe that it gives me smothing to follow... somtihng to have hope in when i feel that i have none left. does anybody feel the same?
Fezzik
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June 20th, 2007 at 03:39pm
WelcomToMyHorrorShow:
I know I always seemed to be fighting in Gods corner but I myself am an Agnostic [I’m unsure wither God does or does not exist]. I do find it a bit ideal that as humans we could commit the most atrocious, hideous sins/crimes in the world and we can turn around and ask God for forgiveness and be granted it. I know you have to be truly sorry and repent with all you’re heart, but I don’t see how saying the rosary fifty times and a praise saying ‘your sins are forgive’ can ever being to justify what you have done or account for your actions. I just find the whole thing idealistic, its human nature to want forgiveness when we have wronged some one. I feel that even in the most coldest of hearts, they too seek forgiveness. I don’t know the whole thing just doesn’t add up for me.

I understand that some may view this life as a way to prove to God wither we are good people or not and wither we deserve forgiveness. But what is the point in him creating us then? Why did he do that? Why does he want us to prove ourselves when we have nothing to prove in the first place? What’s the point is it all one big game? If God is forgiving then he must forgive everyone then everyone gets into heaven making life meaningless. I know this is getting deep and more into the meaning of life. But I know the meaning of life in its purest form we are here to live, reproduce and die alone. So why did God put us here if he will just forgive us for our sins any way? The only thing I can come up with at the minute is that there is not a God and we are just here to live and die.

God was manufacture to make people less scared of death. To give them hope that there is something better than life and that when we die we well be reunited with our loved ones. I mean faith is a great comfort to people. It helps them cope and get though life, making them feel not so lonely. More than anything I think ‘God’ stops people from being lonely and fearing death.

Well, it all depends on what you believe in. I'm Catholic, but I don't believe God put us here just as some kind of test - life is a gift, a time to experience ups and downs, happiness and sadness; everything.

I don't think I could ever not believe in God. I understand the logic behind the idea that God was invented to give people comfort, and I admit that that makes far more sense. But God is just something I feel. I believe in something larger than myself, larger than humanity, and larger than this world. And besides, even if I turn out to be wrong, and I end up rotting in the ground, dead with no afterlife, what harm has believing done me?

It doesn't all make sense, and it doesn't all add up, but, at least for me, I just have to put my faith in God, believe that there is good in the world, and go on with my life.
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June 21st, 2007 at 07:16pm
Fezzik:
WelcomToMyHorrorShow:
I know I always seemed to be fighting in Gods corner but I myself am an Agnostic [I’m unsure wither God does or does not exist]. I do find it a bit ideal that as humans we could commit the most atrocious, hideous sins/crimes in the world and we can turn around and ask God for forgiveness and be granted it. I know you have to be truly sorry and repent with all you’re heart, but I don’t see how saying the rosary fifty times and a praise saying ‘your sins are forgive’ can ever being to justify what you have done or account for your actions. I just find the whole thing idealistic, its human nature to want forgiveness when we have wronged some one. I feel that even in the most coldest of hearts, they too seek forgiveness. I don’t know the whole thing just doesn’t add up for me.

I understand that some may view this life as a way to prove to God wither we are good people or not and wither we deserve forgiveness. But what is the point in him creating us then? Why did he do that? Why does he want us to prove ourselves when we have nothing to prove in the first place? What’s the point is it all one big game? If God is forgiving then he must forgive everyone then everyone gets into heaven making life meaningless. I know this is getting deep and more into the meaning of life. But I know the meaning of life in its purest form we are here to live, reproduce and die alone. So why did God put us here if he will just forgive us for our sins any way? The only thing I can come up with at the minute is that there is not a God and we are just here to live and die.

God was manufacture to make people less scared of death. To give them hope that there is something better than life and that when we die we well be reunited with our loved ones. I mean faith is a great comfort to people. It helps them cope and get though life, making them feel not so lonely. More than anything I think ‘God’ stops people from being lonely and fearing death.

Well, it all depends on what you believe in. I'm Catholic, but I don't believe God put us here just as some kind of test - life is a gift, a time to experience ups and downs, happiness and sadness; everything.

I don't think I could ever not believe in God. I understand the logic behind the idea that God was invented to give people comfort, and I admit that that makes far more sense. But God is just something I feel. I believe in something larger than myself, larger than humanity, and larger than this world. And besides, even if I turn out to be wrong, and I end up rotting in the ground, dead with no afterlife, what harm has believing done me?

It doesn't all make sense, and it doesn't all add up, but, at least for me, I just have to put my faith in God, believe that there is good in the world, and go on with my life.



I know what you mean.

I believe the science of HOW we got here, but I liek to belive God's our comfor while we're down here.

Adn I'm Hindu so theyd on't really mention how we came into existence cause a lot of our Gods were humans before transcending to something higher.
Mr.Armstrong
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June 21st, 2007 at 08:32pm
I believe that god did put on earth for a reason think about it humans can do more then animals can. people are advanced. Im muslim and my religion is very strict for a woman and a man.
a woman is not allowd to show her body parts so no mini skirts,no belly shirts,no short,etc so a woman is treated like a perscious princess,not a sex object.
In my religion the holy book says that god sent us to earth after adam(the first human) made a mistake of listening to the devil so it says that. god put us to earth to see weather we will listen to the devil or god.
it also says that there is only one god he can have diffrent names but he is still god alone.
i truley respect my religion and i believe every word of it.
though i wish i was from the middle east(too bad)
lady gaga.
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June 22nd, 2007 at 01:45pm
ilovegw210:
im not veru religous, but i love god. my family and me only go to church about 3-4 times a year. i am catholic and i wish it was more fun. in church no one sings and you hear the same stories everytime i go. i get sick of it but i stll lover god!


its true xP in some churches you hear the same thing over and over again, and it is kind of boring. But at my church there are a lot of youth so it isnt too bad, i usually have fun xP
UndyingSoul.
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June 22nd, 2007 at 02:57pm
^^That's how my church is. Its a lot easier to be more religious when you actually have fun at your church.
Black Autumn
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June 22nd, 2007 at 04:18pm
yeah, sometimes i think I'd like to be religious. It gives you something to hold on to if everything else in life fails, you have someone you can trust to turn to. Sadly I was brought up in a very none religious home.
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June 22nd, 2007 at 07:37pm
Honestly, I think religion is dangerous. I read Letters to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris, and he made some very good points. People have been killed, persecuted, burned, tortured, enslaved, sold into sexual slavery, exiled, and many other things "in the name of God." Gay people, other races, anyone who isn't Christian, "witches", anyone they don't like is had horrible things done to them. Suicide bombers from Islam, and their looking down on women.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT CHRISTIANS ARE BAD PEOPLE IN THIS NEXT COMMENT.

But have you noticed that Christians, in the name of God, are usually known as lovely accepting, good Christians that love everyone and want to help people? So why is there so much hatred from them? Why do I get more hatred from Christians than anyone else if they're so loving and accepting in God's name?

This is only some Christians. But it's true of a good number. That's why I think religion is dangerous...also, the whole being against Stem Cell Research argument. Stem cell research can help almost any ailment known to humankind because those cells can become any tissue in the body.

I believe it's Catholics, are like "It has a right to live!! It could become a life!" Well, did you know that every cell in your body has the capacity to become a life? So every time you scratch your nose, you're killing that cell's capacity to become life. Also, those three-day-old stem cells, called blastocysts, have about 150 cells in them. A fly has over 10,000. If you're going on about how it's a human, it has less cells than a fly. All I'm saying is, are you going to sacrifice a five-year-old girl with burns over 75% of her body for a 150-cell blastocyst with only a possibility of life?

I'm not saying religion/Christianity is bad. I'm saying that if used the wrong way, it can be dangerous and hurt people in many ways. I have Christian friends. I do not hate them. All I'm saying is that it can be good OR bad.
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June 24th, 2007 at 02:34pm
I'm raised christian,and I am christian however i've been feeling kinda "teen angsty" lately and been rebelling. I wish I had faith and could talk to God like osme of my friends cna,but I feel like it's a brick wall.
MistressRhi
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June 24th, 2007 at 06:27pm
ThinkxHappyxThoughts - I hear what you are saying, being pagan or a witch to be more precise, i have people who do classify themselves as Christians, sneer and call me names, i've even had the sign of the cross thrown in and it's just because i choose to believe in something that differs from them.

I do see that you're saying it's the minority not the majority, just like not all Muslims are terrorists and suicide bombers, it's the religious extremists and the ones who are either too narrow minded to see anyone else views but theirs, or the ones too scared to follow anything different to what they have been taught for fear of persecution, or that god will damn and banish them.

I once heard a christian leader say that they were against pagansim because Christianity is a 'one love' religion and they disapprove of anything that's not 'love focused' This statement made me angry and sad, because he knew so little of what pagans of all sorts believed and judged us wrongly.

if so many more people could be open and understanding, whilst keeping firm to their own beliefs the world would be a better place....wishful thinking i know.
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June 24th, 2007 at 06:30pm
im christian and i believe in God. I have been raised in a Christian household an my grandfather is a preacher, I mean i 100% believe there is 1 God an that you either go to heaven or hell....yea sometimes i try and rebel and not go to church but what i dont get is why u have 2 go 2 church 2 believe in God i know lots of people who dont go to church but they believe in God an that they will either go to heaven and hell i mean whats wrong w/ staying home and believeing in GOd sorry nobody on here ever said u had 2 go to church 2 believe in God but somebody told me that
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June 24th, 2007 at 06:42pm
Although i don't believe in what you believe in, i agree with what you are saying. If you believe in God and God is everywhere, then surely praying to God by your bedside at night is just as good as going to Church?

I believe that church is a good place for people of the same belief to get together and pray and sing together, it's a good community place where people can go and feel closer to God and other people, but yes surely you should be allowed to choose to worship in a particular place or not.

On another darker note i believe that some churches are power bases for religious leaders who force followers to believe they are sinning by not going to church, and have you seen just how much money follows will give to their church? it's usually in the $100's every Sunday (yes although i am a witch, i have no problems with going to church and have been several times with my old friend. I actually have great respect for anyone with faith and their places of worship) and you can clearly see where the money is going and it's not to God or his parishoners. Whilst i agree that in some circumstances churches get money to do repairs etc, i would love to see where all the extra goes.
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June 25th, 2007 at 01:39am
i'm born in a buddhist family but never gone to vihara...i don't agree with the whole buddhism thing especially the part that says that we shouldn't harm living animals..i mean, animals exist because they're included in our food pyramids right?

i mostly agree with Christianity..i believe that Jesus exists..but i'm in a state where i'm not devoting myself in any religion..when somebody asked about my religion, i shook my head...
my parents don't like when i'm devoting myself to christianity..they're saying bad things about Christianity..and by doing so, they've been a bad Buddhist, haven't they???
i've tried to be a christian though..i've gone to church secretly, but it didn't work
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June 25th, 2007 at 09:40am
diagnosed with MPD:
i'm born in a buddhist family but never gone to vihara...i don't agree with the whole buddhism thing especially the part that says that we shouldn't harm living animals..i mean, animals exist because they're included in our food pyramids right?

i mostly agree with Christianity..i believe that Jesus exists..but i'm in a state where i'm not devoting myself in any religion..when somebody asked about my religion, i shook my head...
my parents don't like when i'm devoting myself to christianity..they're saying bad things about Christianity..and by doing so, they've been a bad Buddhist, haven't they???
i've tried to be a christian though..i've gone to church secretly, but it didn't work




heyy buddhistm is an awsome practice
its more of a live and let live kinda feel to life.
christianity has its pros and cons so does buddhism
im pretty sure iread somehwere that some disciplines of buddhism allow
you to be both
as buddhism really isnt a monotheisastic religion.

to me i think buddhisms practicies and values are really what the world needs right now. if we paid more attention to them the world would be a better place.

cyanide kid
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June 25th, 2007 at 09:48am
diagnosed with MPD:
i'm born in a buddhist family but never gone to vihara...i don't agree with the whole buddhism thing especially the part that says that we shouldn't harm living animals..i mean, animals exist because they're included in our food pyramids right?

i mostly agree with Christianity..i believe that Jesus exists..but i'm in a state where i'm not devoting myself in any religion..when somebody asked about my religion, i shook my head...
my parents don't like when i'm devoting myself to christianity..they're saying bad things about Christianity..and by doing so, they've been a bad Buddhist, haven't they???
i've tried to be a christian though..i've gone to church secretly, but it didn't work

wow. it's opposite here. i was born into a christian family but i'm currently buddhist.
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June 25th, 2007 at 11:56pm
i was born catholic but choose not to follow it. i do not agree with the church's teachings, nor do i believe in any god right now. persoanlly i believe that the preists and bishops and whoever else sit in a room somewhere and write all of these stories for the bible and then decide to preach them -- how do we even know that they are true or not? how do we know that jesus,god, etc. realy existed? if god is there then why does he make people suffer?

and i don't want to hear it is all part of his so-called "plan". load of BS if you ask me.

i am also really bothered by the fact that some people tend to believe that atheism is not a religion. yes, it is a religion... you just don't believe in god, and you believe that we go nowhere when we die. that is the difference with me and religion -- i do not believe in god, but i do believe that our souls will go somewhere and have a second life, rather then just lying in the ground.

but in the same token... i believe that everyone is going to hell. we are all sinners in one way or another, and i do not believe in saints.

that was my religious take//rant.