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Lovesick Melody.
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July 6th, 2007 at 03:39am
gerlard.:

Yeah, he says "live by my rules", but he also says, "And in return, I give you eternal life in Heaven."


But did God not give us free will?
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July 6th, 2007 at 03:54am
^yeah, he gave it to us i think so we would decide whether we want to believe in hom or not
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July 6th, 2007 at 08:55am
gerlard.:

Yeah, he says "live by my rules", but he also says, "And in return, I give you eternal life in Heaven."
Wait, so now there's two sets of rules. There's the rules of the government, laws telling you what you can or cannot do.
Then there's a special set of rules for religious folk.
But, these days no one is completely good.
If you claim to be a saint, I think you are one who did the worst of the worst.
I think people start to get involved in the church when they've done something wrong, when they know they've made a mistake.
I know people who cheat, lie, steal...but it's not seen as a bad thing. They did it for a reason, and a good one.
Why should they go to 'hell'?
I think the 10 commandments should be updated, changed for modern times.
Because, with those commandments you have, a lot of people that you consider 'heroes' would go to hell.
Anyone participating in the wars, violence.
So, according to your sets of rules, we're all going to die and rot in hell.
druscilla.
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July 6th, 2007 at 11:18am
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NotOkay22:
Well, Ill answer ur question again.

In my religion (Protestant-Christian), yes, the second guy would go to hell, becuase even though he was a good guy, he didnt accept Jesus as his savior, which is the key to getting into heaven. Thats basically how my religion goes.


But the other man doesnt really do anything to be accepted, he just believes Jesus is the saviour.
The other man on the other hand doesnt believe in anything, but he does heaps of things for society and this world. He goes to hell just because he doesnt believe that Jesus was his saviour?
It just seems very unfair on how it is decided.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous how people can get punished for all the good they do. A good life doesn't matter in the church.
Thug Life.
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July 6th, 2007 at 12:52pm

im catholic and i believe very much so that
the only important thing that matters in my relgion is that
you accept christ as your savior.

i do find it worng that relgious individuals
have problems with people of homosexual orientation or other religions.
this is the ugly side of relgion, it is true that more people have died fighting
in the name of relgion than most diseases.

also ide like to bring up the issue of
religion and politics being a bad mixx
even though our laws stem from morals taught through relgion
is there really a place for it in our governments ?



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July 6th, 2007 at 02:14pm
Forbidden.:
NotOkay22:
Well, Ill answer ur question again.

In my religion (Protestant-Christian), yes, the second guy would go to hell, becuase even though he was a good guy, he didnt accept Jesus as his savior, which is the key to getting into heaven. Thats basically how my religion goes.


But the other man doesnt really do anything to be accepted, he just believes Jesus is the saviour.
The other man on the other hand doesnt believe in anything, but he does heaps of things for society and this world. He goes to hell just because he doesnt believe that Jesus was his saviour?
It just seems very unfair on how it is decided.


kudos xD. this is exactly what i've been wondering.
Careenin'
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July 7th, 2007 at 07:45am
i myself am an athiest. i do not believe god exists,and if he does who created him? and science shows that a rainbow is not the symbol of gods promise that he will never flood the earth it is actually the suns reflection off the water, and as for Noah if he was able to get 2 of every animal on a small ark they would most probably eat him and eachother. the bible also states that human did not evolve from monkeys when there is proof that we did and there is also proof that dinosaurs did exist. i think the bible is merely a story book from ancient times like harry potter or something...
jkl
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July 7th, 2007 at 12:26pm
To quote my 9th grade earth science teacher,"Science is a belief system."

But i respect your views.
Silverstein
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July 7th, 2007 at 12:29pm
One science teacher once said in science, you must see the world as it is. Let science be what it is, and separate it from religion. In Christianity, some natural phenomena have double meanings.
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July 7th, 2007 at 02:28pm
Dance on fire.:
I think the 10 commandments should be updated, changed for modern times.
Because, with those commandments you have, a lot of people that you consider 'heroes' would go to hell.
Anyone participating in the wars, violence.
So, according to your sets of rules, we're all going to die and rot in hell.[/color][/size]

What about the Ten Commandments needs to be changed? By the basic definition, murder is wrong, adultery is wrong, stealing is wrong, people shouldn't be jealous, people shouldn't lie, and people should respect their elders. Yes, there are exceptions, but God makes exceptions. At least, my God does. And if everyone lived strictly by the Ten Commandments, the world would certainly be better off.
druscilla.
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July 7th, 2007 at 08:18pm
i myself am an athiest. i do not believe god exists,and if he does who created him?
God was just there, like scientific elements.

and science shows that a rainbow is not the symbol of gods promise that he will never flood the earth it is actually the suns reflection off the water,
There's no reason it can't be both.

the bible also states that human did not evolve from monkeys when there is proof that we did
I believe that humans used to be more ape-like than now. No, I do not think we were monkey. I think we were more Neanderthal like.

and there is also proof that dinosaurs did exist.
Dinosaurs are mentioned in the book of Job.
Chiodos
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July 7th, 2007 at 08:40pm
I'm catholic although I do not agree entirely with religion.
Religion most of the time is used to manipulate people and find excuses to punish them for what isn't really wrong.

There's a lot of things that make me doubt my religion but I still believe in God even though he probably doesn't exist...
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July 9th, 2007 at 05:00am
druscilla; ryry:
i myself am an athiest. i do not believe god exists,and if he does who created him?
God was just there, like scientific elements.
it
and science shows that a rainbow is not the symbol of gods promise that he will never flood the earth it is actually the suns reflection off the water,
There's no reason it can't be both.

the bible also states that human did not evolve from monkeys when there is proof that we did
I believe that humans used to be more ape-like than now. No, I do not think we were monkey. I think we were more Neanderthal like.

and there is also proof that dinosaurs did exist.
Dinosaurs are mentioned in the book of Job.

Really, it doesn't matter what people believe, because science is science and it's true.
john bonham.
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July 9th, 2007 at 06:21am
I'm an atheist. But I'm not the kind of atheist who holds vendettas against Christians for their beliefs. But I don't believe in anything that can't be proven. There's no proof in God and unless one day they find proof, I'm sticking to atheism. The story of how Jesus came to be is just so... laughable and ridiculous to me. A woman just magically getting pregnant? A man curing people of deathly illnesses by touching them? Jesus was crucified for claiming to be the son of God and because he died all of our sins are forgiven? If somebody today claimed to be the son of God, people would just laugh in his face. Some would probably be angry. And the psychotic Christians (I'm not saying all Christians are psychotic, but SOME are) would probably be really pissed off and they'd think he was making a mockary of their religion. And he'd probably be murdered. Either that or seriously hurt. I don't think the bible is God's word, because, well...I don't believe in God. But I'm glad we have it. Because without the bible to guide Christians I think there might be a lot more crime in the world today and frankly I think we have enough already.
red windmill.
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July 9th, 2007 at 06:52am
personally i don't have one set religon and i believe that trying to force your own on someone else is wrong. live and let live people!! and shouldn't people be allowed to choose for themselvs which religion they choose if they so wish to have one? we get people coming door to door trying to convert us all into die hard Christians. people don't want to be told that what they believe is wrong! i mean how do they know for sure that what they believe is right? as for the bible i find it hard to find it all the truth, some things just don't make sense or add up. i think alot of it is just stories with good morals.
these days its hard to decide whats right and wrong so i just think its best to believe in something even if its not a set religion and just be yourself. don't let others try to change who you are. religion is a very fickle subject, it causes alot of problems over it which is silly because isn't religion meant to be calm and peaceful?

i guess not.
Rhys Webb
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July 11th, 2007 at 03:28am
i am personally against religion. if you want to have one, go right ahead and be my guest, i will not put you down for it. that is not what i believe you should do, though my mother likes to do it A LOT.

as the person said above, religion is supposed to be calm and peaceful, and if so why is everyone constantly fighting over it? why are we all constantly shoving our beliefs down someone else's throat who has their own religion?

that is what i don't understand.
vampirexheart
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July 13th, 2007 at 05:08am
I decided to go agnositc and I still have never told my dad because I think he might get all i don't know. He's really religious but I don't think I can be I mean with all the shit that's going on in he world how can there be a god? or any salvation?(please if you are a strong believer in god don't get all angry at me for saying this)
jessie.
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July 13th, 2007 at 05:39pm
Watching Stigmata last night....

I learned of The Gospel of St. Thomas


It was described as - written by jesus, found in 1945 in Egypt, and contains the lines (rougly)...

break a piece of wood and you will find me there, life a stone and under there you will find me'

Basically the message was that you dont have to be going to church regularly to save yourself from Hell,

The vatican refused to accept the scroll.


i dont know much about the story maybe another user does?
but id thought id share it and see what other people thought..

why would the vatican refuse to accept the scroll?
Because of the whole not going to church thing?


I thought it might make a good discussion
dont stop.
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July 13th, 2007 at 07:51pm
Oxycontin Genocide.:
druscilla; ryry:
i myself am an athiest. i do not believe god exists,and if he does who created him?
God was just there, like scientific elements.
it
and science shows that a rainbow is not the symbol of gods promise that he will never flood the earth it is actually the suns reflection off the water,
There's no reason it can't be both.

the bible also states that human did not evolve from monkeys when there is proof that we did
I believe that humans used to be more ape-like than now. No, I do not think we were monkey. I think we were more Neanderthal like.

and there is also proof that dinosaurs did exist.
Dinosaurs are mentioned in the book of Job.

Really, it doesn't matter what people believe, because science is science and it's true.
I agree. Religion hasn't been proven right, but science has...well, some.
I don't think god created the universe.
If infact a god exists, I think the universe created him.
He didn't exist on his own, he came to be from our thoughts and feelings, our imaginations.
The human mind is very powerful.
Rhys Webb
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July 14th, 2007 at 06:02am
i would rather rely on science (something that be tested) then something such as religion that cannot be tested.

that is how i feel.