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UndyingSoul.
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July 27th, 2007 at 10:29pm
^^ Its also virtually impossible for there to be a spirit in the sky that sent his son down to earth as a man to die on the cross for us. God breaks the limits.
Rhys Webb
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July 27th, 2007 at 10:32pm
mcr_grl296:
im catholic but i dont always follow their rules.


i was born catholic but am far from practicing that religion. i think it is just a load of bull and makes no sense -- like any other religion to me.
dont stop.
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July 27th, 2007 at 11:47pm
Bellatrix.:
mcr_grl296:
im catholic but i dont always follow their rules.


i was born catholic but am far from practicing that religion. i think it is just a load of bull and makes no sense -- like any other religion to me.
See, this is what I've been talking about.
I want to make a poll about how many people there are that were born catholic and turned away from it in comparison to other religions.
UndyingSoul.
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July 28th, 2007 at 02:46am
^^ Well catholic is turned against very often mainly becuase their are so many different kinds of catholic. Like one of my friends is "catholic" but she has nothing to do with the religion and thinks that its stupid. Liberal Catholic is a big religion around my area, and almost everyone I know who is of that religion has tunred away from it or plans to when they move out so that they dont have to deal with their parents about it. Though I think that if you made that poll there would be tons of people in it. Catholicism(is that what its called?) isnt the easiest of religions to hold on to.
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July 28th, 2007 at 02:28pm
May I add it right now that Catholic is Christian?

Sorry, that always bothered me ><;

I respect Catholics more then most Christians actually..though popular opinion tends to disagree. Most Catholics I know are more open minded then those of other forms of Christianity, which I think comes from the fact that I have never really seen a priest preach a hate sermon in church like I have with say...a Baptist church or something. I feel like there is more freedom in Catholicism.

The other thing is that these days, other Christians are selling out. Teens go to youth group for pizza and music concerts and not for their God. Catholics may be boring, but at least they arn't trying to market their religion. Religion isn't supposed to be fun, it's about your love for your savior..whomever that may be, and taking time OUT of your day to worship him, not making Church a big party.
People always complain about how stiff and boring Catholics are, but I think they are just doing things right. They are not the same corrupt group of people they were in the dark ages.

**Do note that while I am Agnostic, I am legally Catholic. My Father is one. I went to a Catholic school for 7 years.
druscilla.
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July 28th, 2007 at 04:34pm
NotOkay22:
^^ Well catholic is turned against very often mainly becuase their are so many different kinds of catholic. Like one of my friends is "catholic" but she has nothing to do with the religion and thinks that its stupid. Liberal Catholic is a big religion around my area, and almost everyone I know who is of that religion has tunred away from it or plans to when they move out so that they dont have to deal with their parents about it. Though I think that if you made that poll there would be tons of people in it. Catholicism(is that what its called?) isnt the easiest of religions to hold on to.
Christianity has five major divisions: Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglican and Protestant.

Protestantism, which is probably what most of you are referring to as Christianity [myself included] has several denominations: Adventists, Anabaptists, Baptists, Congregationalists, Lutherans, Methodists, Pentecostals, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, and more.
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July 28th, 2007 at 07:02pm
Helena'sGhOsT:
i kinda believe in the christain faith. i mean i believe in god and jesus but the other stuff is kinda fussy like every word in the bible is gods word and law.
im not really sure on the part about god hears our thoughts and sees every thing we do good or bad. that would be virtually impossable considering how many ppl there are.


You're thinking of God as like a human. Christians believe God is:

Omniscient [all knowing]
Benevolent [kind and loving]
Omnipotent [all powerful]

Therefore Gods way of 'thinking' and 'doing' is way over human. So therefore that is why they believe that God is always with us because he is always the above three.
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July 28th, 2007 at 07:18pm
LoversHeartDisease:
May I add it right now that Catholic is Christian?

The other thing is that these days, other Christians are selling out. Teens go to youth group for pizza and music concerts and not for their God. Catholics may be boring, but at least they arn't trying to market their religion. Religion isn't supposed to be fun, it's about your love for your savior..whomever that may be, and taking time OUT of your day to worship him, not making Church a big party.
People always complain about how stiff and boring Catholics are, but I think they are just doing things right. They are not the same corrupt group of people they were in the dark ages.
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I'm a Roman Catholic meaning I'm meant to follow the official church doctrines from the Vatican and the Pope.

But I feel what you say is true. I'm not saying Catholics are better than other Christians because they're not. I'm just saying many Church's are now trying to glamorize religion into something its not. Trying desperately to entice the youth of today and keep them interested. When it should all really lead back to God and not what you can get materialistically out of being part of the church community.
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July 28th, 2007 at 07:28pm
Iorek Byrnison.:

] I was born catholic, and I have catholic friends and I haven't seen them trying to convert people. Usually the converting is done by the Christians, and this is most likely what has made Christianity so powerful and so much of a major religion.

Now, what you said about extremists, like terrorists and stuff;
Usually 'terrorists' are told from a young age that if they do a certain thing it means that god will respect them, and that they are doing the right thing. It usually has nothing to do with how the religion is.

Also;
After 9/11 lots of things started being seen as an act of terrorism. Small, even un-inportant things that have nothing to do with the government. So, be more specific.



Catholics are a denomination of Christianity and yes every christian can help convert people. And by this I don't mean standing on a street corners preaching scripture to everyone. You can do it by just being a good person, by helping others and being charitable.

Jesus told us all to:

Forget self
Carry cross
And Follow me

Follow me, meaning putting Jesus' teaching into everyday life by doing such things as 'loving your neighbor.

In addition not all terrorist are told and taught such things from a young age. People can convert at any time in their life. Most terrorist are mislead into thinking they are doing the right thing and 'pleasing god' when they are obviously causing much suffering to the world.

What I was try to highlight was that there are extremists in every religion just like there are Orthodox Christians and Jews.
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July 28th, 2007 at 08:55pm
I'm not that religious, I could never be one of those people who go to church everyday. But I'm agnostic anyways, sometimes me and my family discuss religion, I find it very interesting
UndyingSoul.
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July 30th, 2007 at 02:08am
LoversHeartDisease:
May I add it right now that Catholic is Christian?

Sorry, that always bothered me ><;

I respect Catholics more then most Christians actually..though popular opinion tends to disagree. Most Catholics I know are more open minded then those of other forms of Christianity, which I think comes from the fact that I have never really seen a priest preach a hate sermon in church like I have with say...a Baptist church or something. I feel like there is more freedom in Catholicism.

The other thing is that these days, other Christians are selling out. Teens go to youth group for pizza and music concerts and not for their God. Catholics may be boring, but at least they arn't trying to market their religion. Religion isn't supposed to be fun, it's about your love for your savior..wh omever that may be, and taking time OUT of your day to worship him, not making Church a big party.
People always complain about how stiff and boring Catholics are, but I think they are just doing things right. They are not the same corrupt group of people they were in the dark ages.

**Do note that while I am Agnostic, I am legally Catholic. My Father is one. I went to a Catholic school for 7 years.


Well my youth group did a lot of that party stuff and it just brought more and more teens to God. Its not like we partied all day, we set a time for good clean fun, and a time for worship, quiet, and prayer. If the church actually knows what its doing then having a more fun church can be a good thing. My church has a lot of picnics and luncheons. Sometimes its not always prayer and worship that brings you closer to God(though those two things are very important), it can also strengthen your faith just to be around other people who love God as much as you do, people who understand your struggles, and can encourage you and hold you accountable. I'm not saying every person in a church is going to be able to be that person to you, but its a lot easier to keep friends that share your same religious opinions and can worship and pray with you. Yes some churches are all fun and no God, but if you really look around you can find some churches who have a very good harmony of the two.

Ive been to catholic churches where it was all tradition and there was nothing meaningful at all. The priest just did what he did every week. He would say something and the whole church would repeat it with a different saying, then they would do all these catholic rituals and then people would go home. Not all catholic churches focus on God, I actually have seen many that don't.

Its not just other denominations with the faulty churches, catholic churches aren't perfect either, and I have seen A LOT of far from Godly catholic churches, but I have also seen A LOT of far from Godly Baptist, Protestant, Presbyterian, etc. churches.
Fezzik
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July 30th, 2007 at 05:32am
^It's all a matter of perspective. For me, going to a church-sponsored lunch or picnic or a youth group retreat (and I've been to both) wouldn't make me feel very close to God. But being part of a Catholic mass, being part of traditions much older than myself, that feels like worship and closeness to God to me.

Also, just to point out, Catholic masses aren't totally the same, every week - besides different readings from the Bible each week (though they do repeat based on the calender), the priest always gives an original homily to shed his perspective on the Gospel and how it applies to modern life.
Rhys Webb
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July 30th, 2007 at 06:39am
religion is just too damn confusing for me.
UndyingSoul.
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July 30th, 2007 at 08:50pm
Fezzik:
^It's all a matter of perspective. For me, going to a church-sponsored lunch or picnic or a youth group retreat (and I've been to both) wouldn't make me feel very close to God. But being part of a Catholic mass, being part of traditions much older than myself, that feels like worship and closeness to God to me.

Also, just to point out, Catholic masses aren't totally the same, every week - besides different readings from the Bible each week (though they do repeat based on the calender), the priest always gives an original homily to shed his perspective on the Gospel and how it applies to modern life.


That may be how your priest does it, but at the catholic masses that Ive been to, every week it was practically the same thing. Yea they read some different verses, but the priests opinion was very...i don't know how to put it...like whatever the people in the congregation told him to think, he thought. He must have been just very poor at his job, but then I visited a different churches mass and it was basically the exact same thing.
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July 30th, 2007 at 09:01pm
I'm a Christian, and I think I'm pretty open minded. I have friends from tons of different religions, I have no problem with people being homosexual, that's just not me. I think a lot of people today have a misconception that Christains are trying to tell you that your damned to hell if you screw up. I don't think that's true. I believe that any one who loves God can get into heaven. For me really, my beliefes come down to love.
1. Love Jesus because he gave his life for you
2. Love others no matter what, because God loves them.
It's not that complicated. I don't like it when people try to shove evolution down my throat, so I don't shove my belifes down others throats.
druscilla.
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July 30th, 2007 at 09:41pm
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
Helena'sGhOsT:
i kinda believe in the christain faith. i mean i believe in god and jesus but the other stuff is kinda fussy like every word in the bible is gods word and law.
im not really sure on the part about god hears our thoughts and sees every thing we do good or bad. that would be virtually impossable considering how many ppl there are.


You're thinking of God as like a human. Christians believe God is:

Omniscient [all knowing]
Benevolent [kind and loving]
Omnipotent [all powerful]

Therefore Gods way of 'thinking' and 'doing' is way over human. So therefore that is why they believe that God is always with us because he is always the above three.

I don't.
If God were all loving he wouldn't have ordered thousands of people sent to the slaughter.
He send them to hell.
He would love them unconditionally.
He doesn't.
Silverstein
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July 30th, 2007 at 09:43pm
druscilla; ryry:
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
Helena'sGhOsT:
i kinda believe in the christain faith. i mean i believe in god and jesus but the other stuff is kinda fussy like every word in the bible is gods word and law.
im not really sure on the part about god hears our thoughts and sees every thing we do good or bad. that would be virtually impossable considering how many ppl there are.


You're thinking of God as like a human. Christians believe God is:

Omniscient [all knowing]
Benevolent [kind and loving]
Omnipotent [all powerful]

Therefore Gods way of 'thinking' and 'doing' is way over human. So therefore that is why they believe that God is always with us because he is always the above three.

I don't.
If God were all loving he wouldn't have ordered thousands of people sent to the slaughter.
He send them to hell.
He would love them unconditionally.
He doesn't.


Sent to the slaughter? Explain. He loves Christians unconditionally...religion is a tough thing. This'll be my last post in the lost souls thread so I won't get burned by druscilla.
druscilla.
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July 30th, 2007 at 09:45pm
Circa Survive:
druscilla; ryry:
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
Helena'sGhOsT:
i kinda believe in the christain faith. i mean i believe in god and jesus but the other stuff is kinda fussy like every word in the bible is gods word and law.
im not really sure on the part about god hears our thoughts and sees every thing we do good or bad. that would be virtually impossable considering how many ppl there are.


You're thinking of God as like a human. Christians believe God is:

Omniscient [all knowing]
Benevolent [kind and loving]
Omnipotent [all powerful]

Therefore Gods way of 'thinking' and 'doing' is way over human. So therefore that is why they believe that God is always with us because he is always the above three.

I don't.
If God were all loving he wouldn't have ordered thousands of people sent to the slaughter.
He send them to hell.
He would love them unconditionally.
He doesn't.


Sent to the slaughter? Explain. He loves Christians unconditionally...religion is a tough thing. This'll be my last post in the lost souls thread so I won't get burned by druscilla.

No, I was just saying that I'm a Christian and I don't believe with the things you stated.
God ordered his people to go to war with other people in the Bible. To kill them. To rip the unborn children from the wombs of the evil women.
Not exactly loving behavior if you ask me.
UndyingSoul.
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July 30th, 2007 at 09:46pm
rose_illusion:
I'm a Christian, and I think I'm pretty open minded. I have friends from tons of different religions, I have no problem with people being homosexual, that's just not me. I think a lot of people today have a misconception that Christains are trying to tell you that your damned to hell if you screw up. I don't think that's true. I believe that any one who loves God can get into heaven. For me really, my beliefes come down to love.
1. Love Jesus because he gave his life for you
2. Love others no matter what, because God loves them.
It's not that complicated. I don't like it when people try to shove evolution down my throat, so I don't shove my belifes down others throats.


I like that view, and you have a good point. When I would tell people that I was a Christian most people would automatically think that I'm gonna tell then that they are destined for Hell and that all I do all day is preach God's word to everyone I see. No. I'm not like that at all. Yes if I'm in a religious conversation (like this thread) then I will preach, but Its not like I go around preaching all day. I have a life other then just church, prayer, and worship which a lot of people don't understand when I trey to explain my faith. Though Christianity can be a very hard religion for other people to understand where your coming from because there are so many different kinds (catholic, protestant, etc.).
UndyingSoul.
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July 30th, 2007 at 09:53pm
druscilla; ryry:
PrettyHandsomeAkward:
Helena'sGhOsT:
i kinda believe in the christain faith. i mean i believe in god and jesus but the other stuff is kinda fussy like every word in the bible is gods word and law.
im not really sure on the part about god hears our thoughts and sees every thing we do good or bad. that would be virtually impossable considering how many ppl there are.


You're thinking of God as like a human. Christians believe God is:

Omniscient [all knowing]
Benevolent [kind and loving]
Omnipotent [all powerful]

Therefore Gods way of 'thinking' and 'doing' is way over human. So therefore that is why they believe that God is always with us because he is always the above three.

I don't.
If God were all loving he wouldn't have ordered thousands of people sent to the slaughter.
He send them to hell.
He would love them unconditionally.
He doesn't.


God doesnt send people to Hell. He says that if you follow his rules and love him unconditionally like he loves you then you go to Heaven. People send themselves there. God set down rules and said that if you follow then and follow me then you get to Heaven, its the person's choice if they do that or not.