Consensual Incest
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| druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 1671 | Yes, I think consensual incestuous relationships should be legal as long as it's not between parent and child. I personally believe that's wrong. Yes, I think they should be able to get married. No, I do not think they should be able to have biological children together although I think a surrogate mother, artificial insemination, and adoption are fine. Inbreeding can cause serious problems for the child. Unless several generations are inbred, children will not have birth defects from the closeness in DNA. Discuss. |
| Ignore Alien Orders Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 2026 | i don't know about immediate family stuff, especially parent/child. however any farther than that--say second cousins--i haven't really given much thought, so i can't really state an opinion just yet. but yeah, immediate family i find to be just...i don't see how it could happen without some sort of abuse involved, subtle and mental or otherwise. and i certainly agree that having biological children from incestuous relationships is wrong, just because of the effects of inbreeding. |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 39 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | Hmm, an interesting topic. I probably can't find the words to back this up, but my stance is NO. It may just be symptomatic of narrow-mindedness (which I will admit I'm guilty of at times), but to me, the idea of, say, a brother and sister being in a sexual relationship is just so far gone it's not even conceivable. I guess I just feel that, if this makes any sense, that the love between family members is a vastly different thing than the love between two people who aren't related, but some people could make the mistake of thinking they feel romantic love toward a sibling, when it's really just that brotherly/sisterly love. Especially if they've never really loved another person, they may not know what they're supposed to be feeling, and think that the closeness they share with that family member equals intimacy, and then it leads to a relationship. As I said, I could just be shying away from something that society doesn't consider 'normal' or looks down upon, but I just feel that it's wrong to commit incest, whether consensual or not. I mean, I have a brother, but I could never, ever entertain the thought of being that close to him, or finding him attractive in even the remotest way. He's my brother! We were raised together. We fought over toys. We pinched each other in the backseat of the car. We threw remote controls at each other. We fought like cat and dog for the last 18 years. He's just my brother, and I could never imagine finding him attractive or wanting to flirt with him, let alone enterng into a relationship with him. It would feel so... wrong. Weird. Just... wrong. Inbreeding doesn't necessarily lead to messed-up offspring - yes, the risk is high, and it's very real, but there is no guarantee that the child of family members will definitely be screwed-up in some way. Still, to that effect I don't agree with any blood relatives having children, not only because of the health risks, but just because, well, there's plenty of people on earth, why would you look no further than your own family?! I also don't agree with cousins, second cousins etc being in romantic relationships. As I said, it could just be my unwillingness to accept something that's not considered normal, but on the other hand, it could be simple human nature that dictates you must procreate as far afield as possible for best results. Instinct, and such. Perhaps. |
| druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 1671 | I also believe that falling in love with someone in your family is a rare occurence. I don't think that it happens a lot. I could be wrong, but... I just don't see sisters falling in love with their brothers and vice versa. Although I know a girl who had a crush on her sister. Didn't fall in love with her or anything, but did have a crush. Personally, I think it was a sort of idolization that stemmed with love. That's probably more likely than falling head over heels for someone in your family. |
| LifeOnStandby Motor Baby  Age: 34 Gender: Male Posts: 941 | A bit OT, but this'll get to a point. My friend is 16...he and his sister were both adopted, he was adopted at 6 and his sister at 9. She's 15 now, and they see eachother as brother and sister....but in a different type way. They've always had a REAL close relationship, and lately they're starting to involve more ehh...means into it. They may not be litterally "together," whatever that exactly means to you...but they have a relationship that passes the ordinary brother/sister barrier. My point is, you feel a connection and familiarity among your family...you often seem very comfortable among them. In a relationship, familiarity and comfort are 2 very strong supporters. So maybe it's not common to fall in love with a family member, but it does have sense in the background. I was at a wedding last year (13), and I ran off with one my cousins after the wedding and we made out, did I see her as cousin while I did it, no not really. I think especially in extended family, it doesn't really feel wrong... but maybe looked upon it's not. I agree, that parrents should be able to wed with their children; mainly because the child could be forced, and it brakes the child-parrent relationship. Not only that, but if a parrent-child marriage occured, it would probably be of force. I, myself, don't find anything wrong with marriage inside of a family other than that. The connections brought by eachother are hard to stop. Maybe I am pulling a bit on, "Love is love," but if you're putting your feelings into someone in your family...then no one should have to be the judge over you. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | Health of offspring only becomes an issue with several generations of inbreeding. Like little isolated towns where everyone's related and ends up having the same conditions. I don't really see anything wrong with incest if it's consensual and not parent/child. I mean, it's definitely not my bag, but if two people can manage it without, you know, projectile vomiting, well, good for them. Though I really wonder how often this would occur. An instance I can think of where not allowing incestuous marriage seems legit unfair is if, say, a biological brother and sister were adopted by different families, met, and fell in love (I think there was a story about this in the papers ages and ages ago). Because if you didn't grow up as siblings, a romantic relationship is really no different than a non-incestuous one except genetic linkage. |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 39 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | I recall seeing a docoish thing on some US news channel recently (I have cable, but I'm not familiar with the subtle differences between, like, CBS and Fo News etc) that dealt with consensual incest... The first couple that was featured was a brother and sister who lived as man and wife, and had moved to a different town so that they could establish themselves as romantic partners rather than incestuous lovers. They said they believed they had a right to marry, but that they would never have children because the woman in this partnership is one of those women who simply hasno desire to be a mother - but if she did, they would have them. I was kind of grossed out. I just thought it was wrong, and I can't really explain why. The second couple featured was actually a mother and son. The mother had given birth to her son at a pretty young age, she was unmarried and in that day and age, she felt she had to give him up for adoption because she couldn't raise him, and it had shamed her family enough already by getting pregnant outside of marriage. When the son was in his 20s, they got in contact and she found herself 'falling in love' with him because, as she put it, he already had a mother - his adoptive mother - and she couldn't have that bond with him, so her maternal feelings turned into something else altogether because she wanted to have that closeness with him that she should have had as a mother, but couldn't because somebody else had filled that role in his life. The son, by the way, wanted no part of it whatsoever - he was engaged to a girl his own age, and simply wanted to be friends with the woman who birthed him. He was disgusted when he found out that his biological mother was 'in love' with him. I just don't understand how familial love can be misconstrued or evolve into something different - sure, I can see how a platonic friendship between two people can become something more over time, I personally have a track record of being 'friends first' and then end up dating my buddies - but as far as attraction to a family member (whether it be mother, brother, cousin, etc) goes, I just can't accept it. I'm well aware and can understand that family bonds are super-strong, and that in a family you will (or are meant to) find support, love, acceptance, all those wonderful things, but the love of and for a family member is quite different to that of an outsider, and therefore I feel that people involved in incestuous relationships are just naive or inexperienced in relationships and are mistaking one kind of love for another. If that makes sense. As far as what Resurgam said about an adopted person falling for a biological sibling without prior knowledge or without being raised together, well, I can sort of understand that, but I still have trouble wrapping my head around it. It's just... kinda... icky, ya know? But then I suppose there's a fair amount of people out there who are of that opinion with regards to, say, homos or black people, and that's a stupid opinion, so maybe I'm just the narrow-minded bigot. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | ^I know exactly what you mean. The idea really grosses me out. But I figure, if they're not hurting anyone, who am I to stop an incestuous couple? I do think there's probably got to be some emotional problems with two people who grow up as siblings and want to be together. But if they're consenting adults - well, people could do much worse things to themselves than marry their brother. |
| Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 39 Gender: Female Posts: 1725 | ^ I never quite looked at it from that perspective, but I have to admit I guess you may be onto something there. Yeah. People in that circumstance are probably a little touched in the head, but as you said, if they're not hurting anybody then there's no real problem, to be honest... I guess a few decades ago, people looked at homosexuals that way - that they were mentally disturbed or had some serious problems going on. I just know I'd be kind of icked out if a friend of mine came to me and admitted they were, like, into a sibling. I'd definitely suggest counselling.  |
| Blue_Demon Motor Baby  Age: 40 Gender: Female Posts: 940 | It's more of a problem if it is straight out brother/sister romance of which I have a problem with. Things like 3rd cousins falling for a sister in the family wouldn't exactly bother me. I guess I sort of swing between a yes and a no on this so I'm on the fence. It's fine for say a distant member of the family to romance a member of the main family; but not if they are directly related. |
| xXtRaGIc_AffAiRXx Jazz Hands Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 356 | i think like someone mentioned above, if adoption has been involved and then people meet up after years, they might go further with their relationship than a normal brother and sister because they feel a strong bond but dont think of each other as family? |
| druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 1671 | I had a crush on my cousin once. Two of them actually. There was no blood. They were my cousins through adoption and marriage. -shrug- It felt kinda weird at first, but I was related to have the people in my town through adoption and marriage. My dad had that problem in school and had to go home and ask his parents if he was related to a girl before he could date her. It's a problem in small towns and with people who have big families. |
| Visual.Kei. Thinking Happy Thoughts  Age: 103 Gender: Female Posts: 433 | Well I support both, well yeah to be honest. I actually think its only worng with your close family, as the children can be severly disabled. But If its not a sexual relationship I cannot see why not. Well If it was to be a sexual relationship, then it is their responisibility to care for the children. Animals do it, its our lives, why not ? |
| Geesus. Motor Baby  Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 891 | this is a topic that i dont know my belief on...if that made sense. i've always thought that love is love no matter what, but then you are together with a member of your family. I guess as along as its not a parent/child relationship its okay...idk it still kind of grosses me out. not against it but kinda gross. |
| Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 2748 | I think it should be made clear that the potential child of any given brother and sister would probably not have any sort of debilitating genetic condition unless there was a family history of such a thing (like cystic fibrosis, etc). Genetic defects only really start to show up after multiple generations of incest. |
| druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 1671 | ^ I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing that out. |
| Meeshell Awake and Unafraid  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 10166 | i dont rly know...........my religion, baptist, states that its wrong, but such as legality, hey, the constitution says that its legal to go in pursuit of happiness, and its not hurting anyone elses rights, so i say why the hell not..... |
| bloodredruby69 Banned  Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 8293 | I think that the only bond with those people you share blood with is the bond you create. A mother can love her children, and nurture them well, and they can grow to be a happy family. Or the mother can beat on and debase her children, and they can end up with no bond other than that of violence. The same applies for people with no blood relation; friends can be closer than blood relatives. The bond a person feels with someone else is (I feel) entirely up to them, their upbringing, and their view on life. Friends are the family we chose for ourselves, family is family only if we chose them to be, blood relatives can be absolute strangers. This is why I find nothing weird about incesteous relationships. The people involved share genetics, yes, but that's the only real tie. Everything else is in our heads, or our proverbial hearts. They just forge a different bond than the one expected. I also think that the reason a lot of people think that incest is gross or wrong, and can't explain why, is because they have had the notion that it is these things ingrained into them by both society and their upraising (or either one) since they were little. It is really hard to fight against early conditioning, though logic and looking at things from another perspective can sometimes help. |
| SINATRA Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 1406 | The problem I have with it, is that children born out of incest are born with birth defects. It doesn't seem fair. If they choose to be a relationship, okay, fine, but think about the life long problems you will be bringing to your child. |
| Morning Stars. Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 2184 | living in an arabic country with traditional islamic laws applying here, i know a few people whose parents are brother and sister, or cousins. teyre a little bit dimmer than the rest of us, but nothing too extreme. but thats not to say it isnt possible, could be hereditory, could be the gene pools are a bit too close, i seriously don't know. |
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