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Pulp
Killjoy
Pulp
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Posts: 1
June 1st, 2009 at 02:29pm
This topic was inspired by the recent murder of Dr. George Tiller. Dr. Tiller was one of the few doctors to provide late-term abortions for women. He was one of the biggest targets of anti-abortion campaigns and organizations, and they often used dehumanizing tactics against him, such as referring to him "baby killer" and "murderer". Many of these same organizations have also often used violence-laden and inflammatory language against the pro-choice movement in general. Bill O'Reilly, a prominent news figure, repeatedly targeted Dr. Tiller on his news show.The suspect being held his murder was found to have posted on anti-abortion sentiments on pro-life websites.

So the point of this is, do think people and groups who's words and actions foster a culture that is tolerant of, encourages, or celebrates the violent, inappropriate, or irresponsible behavior that allows a person to justify in their mind the committing of a crime such as the murder of Dr. Tiller should be held accountable and punishable? Do you think the first amendment covers hate speech and incitement? Should hate preaching be monitored or restricted in public forums?
Darkromance
Banned
Darkromance
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Posts: 322
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:55am
It matters on the situation. Sometimes people realize what they say and how wrong it sounded after saying it and are regretful.

Sometimes people are ignorant or naive, but then become less and less of those things as they gain more knowledge, thus realizing how foolish they sounded.
Richey Edwards.
Demolition Lover
Richey Edwards.
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Posts: 16507
June 2nd, 2009 at 08:11pm
The way I see it is...if you dont mean it, then dont say it. Like making a promise, if you dont intend to keep it, then dont say it.
Catharsis
Jazz Hands
Catharsis
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 261
June 26th, 2009 at 11:52am
People should follow these three simple rules
1. say what you mean
2. mean what you say
3. but dont say it mean
Fever
Killjoy
Fever
Age: -
Gender: Female
Posts: 7
September 15th, 2011 at 08:19pm
Good one there, Catharsis. I like it. I believe everyone is responsible for what they say/do, so while the inciters are responsible for saying hateful things, only the murderer is responsible for his crime. It was his choice to act on others' hateful words- unless their goal was to get the guy killed, which it wasn't- it was to stop abortion. Right?
emmahudson88
Killjoy
emmahudson88
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Gender: -
Posts: 1
October 13th, 2011 at 04:42am
Pulp:
This topic was inspired by the recent murder of Dr. George Tiller. Dr. Tiller was one of the few doctors to provide late-term abortions for women. He was one of the biggest targets of anti-abortion campaigns and organizations, and they often used dehumanizing tactics against him, such as referring to him "baby killer" and "murderer". Many of these same organizations have also often used violence-laden and inflammatory language against the pro-choice movement in general. Bill O'Reilly, a prominent news figure, repeatedly targeted Dr. Tiller on his news show.The suspect being held his murder was found to have posted on anti-abortion sentiments on pro-life websites.

So the point of this is, do think people and groups who's words and actions foster a culture that is tolerant of, encourages, or celebrates the violent, inappropriate, or irresponsible behavior that allows a person to justify in their mind the committing of a crime such as the murder of Dr. Tiller should be held accountable and punishable? Do you think the first amendment covers hate speech and incitement? Should hate preaching be monitored or restricted in public forums?

i don't understand the question.
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brandleys;
Death Defying
brandleys;
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Posts: 186346
October 15th, 2011 at 12:00pm
I think the first amendment includes hate speech, but I also think people should be held accountable for their words. If someone commits a crime against someone else because of the words of others, then they should be held accountable for them because they were the ones spreading the hate.

So basically, if violence ensues, then it's their fault and they shouldn't use the first amendment as an excuse.
Finnick Odair
In the Cannibal Glow
Finnick Odair
Age: 34
Gender: Female
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October 16th, 2011 at 08:55am
I think any threat against someone's life should be taken seriously, even if it's only posted on the internet. Because it's better to be safe than sorry, and if the person didn't mean it literally, it'll sure stop them from doing it again in future.
brother nero;
Always Born a Crime
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October 16th, 2011 at 02:48pm
All I see is that if you're "pro life", then you shouldn't kill anyone.
Killing someone in the name of life...how dumb is that?
I don't think that people should be held to account for every word they say, but a threat to someones' life is serious, and it should be taken as being. And the people making threats should really think. If the police or whoever took these threats seriously, some people would be in a lot of trouble. Threatening someones' life is never a joke.
Freedom of speech yeah. It's youre choice what you say. People will react to anything you say. And if you say something serious, people will react seriously. What do you expect? Your words matter.