Peace in the middle east
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| hairlikeray Joining The Black Parade  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 214 | what i really dont understand is why are the troops there? why are people blowing themselves up? and why cant we just veto the war? i know its probably not easy to do , but i think the war should be dropped. |
| Thug Life. Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 1315 | The situtation in the middle east is a little more delicate than you think it is. its a little to late to just veto the war. the us and its coalition are dug into iraq pretty deep and to just leave now would kinda just leave iraq in an odd spot. with any change of government or system there is always gonna be unrest. if america and the coalition were to pull out. the existing new government could not possibly cope with all the insurgency that would happen i suppose its like digging a hole eventually its gonna be hella hard to climb out . but the initiall fighting and aggressive actions of the war are over and the coalition are really in iraq as peace keeping forces. on a further note . you should realise that there has been termoil in the middle east long before the iraqi war. its a bit wrong to kinda just overlook the problems with palestine and isreal or isreal with the rest of its neighbours. |
| ellen page. Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 1349 | Mr.Armstrong: that's a really good point. I wish everyone knew that the Terrorists have nothing to do with Islam one of my best friends is Muslim. Her family is the sweetest group of people I've ever met. She's totally normal, rocks out to the same bands we rock out to, and is totally against the war in the middle east. It's hard to say whether they will ever see the light of peace. there are SO many factors that play into these 50+ years of problems. its not a y/n answer. only time will tell. |
| sparklinggrey Jazz Hands  Age: 34 Gender: Male Posts: 327 | ^ The war in Iraq is not about relegion, or terrorism. America is stealing millions of gallons of oil from Iraq. That's the real reason. |
| blow Bleeding on the Floor  Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 1137 | Migamphetamine: I just mean that it is not fully functioning, in the sense that it is very weak right now. (that's the impression I get) Obviously the democracy there isn't as strong as the US, I think they are relying on the US way too much. Migamphetamine: I'm not blaming the US for the whole thing. We just kind of helped stir things up some more. The war was the wrong way to go, (can't really doing anything about that now) but something needed to be done about the Middle East in general. |
| Thug Life. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 1315 | Eponine: [font=4][size=87] Well obviously its going to be weak, democracy is a gradual process, it takes time for a whole society to get used to a very western idea especially Iraq. If you think about it Iraq is taking excellent strides in accomplishing democracy for itself. The United states has been a fully functioning democracy for over three centuries. Its unfair to compare the two countries democratic systems considering the united states has had a long time to work and refine its governing system. There is also no problem with the fact that Iraq is leaning up to the US. You really need take into consideration that Suddam was only thrown out of power five years ago and that people are still fresh from his regime. You have problems with insurgency and so on, and its normal for a world power like the united states to make sure total civil war or a coup doesn't happen. Iraq simply cannot keep walking on its own, Democratic Iraq is like a newborn learning how to walk, it still needs an adult to pick it up when it falls. Well obviously the united states was going to stir things up, but if you really think about it any other country that did the same thing would of gotten the same reaction from the general public. The war in the middle east has gotten some heavy flak beause the united states didnt get the results it wanted but in the end they restored democracy to a nation which otherwise would have had to face more years of a brutal regime ? . Would it have been better for the united states to leave Suddam alone while he committed more and more crimes to humanity ? You have to take into consideration the good thats come out of this war, even though its not much we did do something. |
| Thug Life. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 1315 | sparklinggrey: Okay thats a common argument. Do you have figures ? do you have solid proof ? consider this, the united states has tanks, helicopters , jets and other mechanized equipment. Do you know how much petrol it costs to run all that mechanized infantry equipment ? it would run into the millions of liters. Its safe to consider that the US military has used more petrol for fighting than it could steal from from Iraq not to mention it would be rather tricky to move that much petrol around to refineries to be turned into petrol without people noticing ? Then you have to look at the fuel prices, if there was such an abundance of petrol the prices of fuel would actually be lower but no they're skyrocketing ? And if you have any further argument it'd be in your best interest to read This article Its about the oil being stolen by Shi'ite militia in Iraq. |
| blow Bleeding on the Floor Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 1137 | Migamphetamine: I'm in agreement with you. My points where not well thought out and well, yeah, you're right. Forgive my ignorance, s'il vous plait. |
| blow Bleeding on the Floor Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 1137 | haha, had a sort of funny thought. We should just give all of them copies of Eckert Tolle's A New Earth and once they have transcended their ego-based existence there will be peace. |
| Thug Life. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 1315 | Eponine: Theres no need to apologize mon ami, just as long as youve learnt something lols. |
| blow Bleeding on the Floor Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 1137 | haha speakin franglish...[/off topicness] |
| questionable content Always Born a Crime  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 5604 | Eponine: I agree. Whether the US is in the region or not, there will be conflict. Now, I can't say if they're making it better or not, but I don't believe that their involvement was worth it at all. The cost alone-$500 billion, I think-could definitely be put to better use, in the US itself, not abroad, where there still isn't peace. Not to mention the 4000+ troops killed there, or its effects on the troops that are still alive or their families. I really don't see why the US decided to get involved in this. Strengthen airport security, not get yourself involved in a war that will most likely only irk the so called "terrorists" and cost hundreds of thousands of both Iraqi and American lives. |
| blow Bleeding on the Floor Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 1137 | The war does have a good side, like Migamphetamine has pointed out. Any war costs money and lives. People died in America's revolutionary war, but I'm very glad that it was fought and won. (that's a bad comparison) I think my earlier point, that terrorists would have a made another direct attack at our country like 9/11 is true. They think we are heathens and want to destroy us.... I'm beginning to seriously consider my Eckert Tolle idea. Once they stop desiring to kill us, things will get much better. |
| Thug Life. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 1315 | forgotten.: Well okay yes thats true the united states lost 500 billion dollars and 4000 plus troops but if you compare it to the conflict in Vietnam, which is drawing a lot of comparisons with this war, its not as bad. I mean yes we've lost men but 4000 over five years of fighting isn't as bad as 58,159 dead over twelve years and hundreds of thousands more injured. Not to mention we lost that war with no actual sign of accomplishment. Whilst in this conflict we accomplished the overthrowing of a cruel dictator and have started to restore democracy to a country that hasn't seen it for about twenty years. What else could we have done in a situation where Saddam was obviously treating his people poorly, and abusing human rights. If it came too late and Saddam had committed worse atrocities some may have criticized the U.S for not intervening in the matter. |
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