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Mr.Armstrong Awake and Unafraid Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 12135	February 5th, 2007 at 08:33pm it is bad to clone anything!cause it should only be a one of akind!!like i was watching the news there were some old couple cloned there dog so that when the dog dies they have one dog who is the same!!but cloning isnt like the orignal one!!!
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	February 5th, 2007 at 08:40pm How to put this? I think that if humans start to clone humans it's not going to be that far away from them cloning people to do experiments. 'Hey, here's some of Hitler's DNA. Let's clone him and see if therapy and drugs could make him not hate Jews.' 'Hey, is this Jesus' DNA? Let's clone and find out.' When human kind is given technology, it will be abused.
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	February 5th, 2007 at 08:41pm XxXAwAkenAnGeLXxX: it is bad to clone anything!cause it should only be a one of akind!!like i was watching the news there were some old couple cloned there dog so that when the dog dies they have one dog who is the same!!but cloning isnt like the orignal one!!! Actually, it is. That's why it's a clone. It has the exact DNA of the other dog. So it is like it.
hum. Shotgun Sinner Age: - Gender: - Posts: 9475	February 5th, 2007 at 08:43pm I'm all for cloning. Hey, this could be a beginning of something. We can clone animals, trees, and what not. When it comes to humans, I'm sure it's gonna be pretty interesting. Of course, human clones die earlier than the other twin, or so I heard. I don't know. But it should be a consideration for sure.
Mr.Armstrong Awake and Unafraid Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 12135	February 5th, 2007 at 08:56pm druscilla_way: XxXAwAkenAnGeLXxX: it is bad to clone anything!cause it should only be a one of akind!!like i was watching the news there were some old couple cloned there dog so that when the dog dies they have one dog who is the same!!but cloning isnt like the orignal one!!! Actually, it is. That's why it's a clone. It has the exact DNA of the other dog. So it is like it. but just not the exact same.The couple stated the cloned dog was acting diffrent and scared when the actuale dog was like a hyper dog!!i found that hard to belive though!!and there are some diffrences between the real one and the cloned one!
bloodredruby69 Banned Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 8293	February 5th, 2007 at 10:10pm druscilla_way: Actually, it is. That's why it's a clone. It has the exact DNA of the other dog. So it is like it. I hate to correct you, but you are totally off the mark. The only thing the clone has is the DNA of the donor. So yes, therefore, it is physically identical and genetically identical to the donor. However, it is not "the same". Every experience in someone or something's life changes them, and the collection of those experiences defines how that creature will act and react when in situations or faced with problems. Think identical twins. They have exactly the same DNA, look identical, but lead different lives and have different personalities. Because each twin has faced different scenerios than the other. You could never clone Hitler. Or Saddam Hussein. Or Mohammed. Sure, you could make an exact GENETIC replica, but the human psychi and the nurture of the person is what determines how their nature presents itself and how it mentally develops.
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	February 5th, 2007 at 10:21pm bloodredruby69: druscilla_way: Actually, it is. That's why it's a clone. It has the exact DNA of the other dog. So it is like it. I hate to correct you, but you are totally off the mark. The only thing the clone has is the DNA of the donor. So yes, therefore, it is physically identical and genetically identical to the donor. However, it is not "the same". Every experience in someone or something's life changes them, and the collection of those experiences defines how that creature will act and react when in situations or faced with problems. Think identical twins. They have exactly the same DNA, look identical, but lead different lives and have different personalities. Because each twin has faced different scenerios than the other. You could never clone Hitler. Or Saddam Hussein. Or Mohammed. Sure, you could make an exact GENETIC replica, but the human psychi and the nurture of the person is what determines how their nature presents itself and how it mentally develops. I didn't say it was the same. I said it was "like it". If it has the same DNA it is obviously like the donor in some way, even if only be genetics. And say we do use Hitler's DNA to create a clone [not of Hitler, but using his DNA] it would still be a scientific experiment.
bloodredruby69 Banned Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 8293	February 5th, 2007 at 10:28pm Yes, "like it". The person before stated that the new dog wouldn't be like the old one, and it was clear, at least to me, that she meant personality wise. The clone wouldn't be "like" the old dog, it would just look the same. Before you also stated that scientists would "clone people to do experiments". Correct me if I'm wrong, but scientists are not your general public, they have been educated in a far superior manner in the field they are in, so no scientist in his right mind would try to clone someone and expect that clone to be an exact mental replica of the deceased. The way you presented yourself was in such a way as to make it appear that you yourself thought that a clone would be the same as the origonal. "like it" is in all honesty, akin to saying "the same as" At least, in the post you made.
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	February 5th, 2007 at 10:34pm bloodredruby69: Before you also stated that scientists would "clone people to do experiments". Correct me if I'm wrong, but scientists are not your general public, they have been educated in a far superior manner in the field they are in, so no scientist in his right mind would try to clone someone and expect that clone to be an exact mental replica of the deceased. I'm not saying they would be. I'm thinking of people doing experiments on the clone to see if perhaps people are inherently good or bad, if you really are the product of your genetic make up in some way, etc. The way you presented yourself was in such a way as to make it appear that you yourself thought that a clone would be the same as the original. bloodredruby69: "like it" is in all honesty, akin to saying "the same as" At least, in the post you made. That was also not what I meant. I read it as her saying that a clone was basically the same as getting another dog [from the pound, whatnot]. I was disagreeing.
bloodredruby69 Banned Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 8293	February 5th, 2007 at 10:45pm From a scientific perspective, there is no inherent good or bad. It is the nurture that decides the nature, or at least, that is how most scientists look at it. I'd suggest you look back and re-read her statement. She said that cloning is wrong, because it isn't the origonal. She said nothing about adopting or getting another dog.
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	February 5th, 2007 at 11:22pm bloodredruby69: I'd suggest you look back and re-read her statement. She said that cloning is wrong, because it isn't the origonal. She said nothing about adopting or getting another dog. I know. I said that her saying the dog wasn't like the original was akin to adopting a new dog.
bloodredruby69 Banned Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 8293	February 5th, 2007 at 11:26pm And that's where you lose me. She said the "cloning isn't like the origonal." How you got adoption out of that is what baffled me.
through the mire Salute You in Your Grave Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 3499	February 7th, 2007 at 12:51am i [think] she's saying that because the dog will act differently, there isn't much of a difference between cloning the dog and just adopting a new one. the only difference is that you either get an entirely new dog, or a dog that just looks like your dead one.
Charlie The Unicorn Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 489	February 8th, 2007 at 08:32am I don't have anything fancy knowledge about it or anything fancy to say, but I just think it's wrong. It doesn't seem right. I think in the wrong hands it could ruin the world.
bloodredruby69 Banned Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 8293	February 8th, 2007 at 04:11pm Charlie The Unicorn: I don't have anything fancy knowledge about it or anything fancy to say, but I just think it's wrong. It doesn't seem right. I think in the wrong hands it could ruin the world. Do you care to elaborate? How could it ruin the world? (from curiosity, not animosity)
Charlie The Unicorn Thinking Happy Thoughts Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 489	February 8th, 2007 at 06:17pm bloodredruby69: Charlie The Unicorn: I don't have anything fancy knowledge about it or anything fancy to say, but I just think it's wrong. It doesn't seem right. I think in the wrong hands it could ruin the world. Do you care to elaborate? How could it ruin the world? (from curiosity, not animosity) I just think people could use clones to do evil things or clone evil people or something. I don't know, maybe I've seen too many movies.
Oxycontin Genocide. Banned Age: 29 Gender: Male Posts: 2955	February 8th, 2007 at 07:57pm I'm all for cloning. I think it's fine, and it would be a technological breakthough if we could clone humans.
Casimir Pulaski Day Shotgun Sinner Age: 94 Gender: Female Posts: 8861	February 8th, 2007 at 08:51pm Human cloning is creepy, and I really hope that I don't see the day it (might) happen. Just imagine the legal problems it would cause. It's wrong. I do support the cloning of body parts, though. I just think cloning shouldn't be done, except in the case that somebody is cloning body parts, with permission, to save lives.
bloodredruby69 Banned Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 8293	February 9th, 2007 at 12:38am Charlie The Unicorn: I just think people could use clones to do evil things or clone evil people or something. I don't know, maybe I've seen too many movies. Methinks you have. It's been stated before in this thread that an exact genetic replica of a person is not that person; you can replicate phisiology and genetics, but not personality and mentality. The cloned person would be born, as any baby is, and would grow up as any child would, gaining experience and learning along the way. (Note; this is if cloning ever gets to a state where humans can be cloned) So you cannot clone another Hitler, another JFK, etc. You just end up making someone who looks the same and is genetically the same. Think Clone high, only in real life.
girl interrupted. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 2792	February 10th, 2007 at 12:35pm We don't need to clone humans. The human race is generally so overobsessed with sex (no offence meant), why don't they just go do it the easy way. Whoever/whatever created us gave us a reproducing system, why don't we use it and stop unnessecery fuss about human cloning. One day it's gonna happen. If it hasn't already, illegally. Animal cloning - maybe, maybe not. If it's going to stop a species from becoming extinct, yes. If it's simply going to overpopulate the world, then no.

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