Communisim

DIE! DIE! DIE!:

How communism ended up was a lot different then Marx's vision of it.
I think the closest thing to that these days are the socialism governments in Europe, where the government really does work for the people to make sure everyone is as healthy and happy as possible.
The communism we saw in the Soviet Union and that we see now in China is really Socialism gone fowl.

I agree. If it was the way Marx invisioned it to be, I think it would be amazing. But in reading Animal Farm, it's quite obvious to see how it would never work. So, I don't think anyone should try it, becuase it will almost always turn into a dictatorship, and no one wants that.

I'm not really for or against Communism. I have relatives that live in China, and I've been there a couple times, and from what I've seen, it doesn't really matter that much to the people living there. Repressing free speech-something many people take for granted in the United States, in my opinion, is wrong, but I think America's stance on it-the constant pressure, getting involved in their business-is just as wrong. There are definitely changes that can be made to it to make the system work better, but on the whole, I don't think it's as evil as some people are making it to be. After all, the Communists stopped foot binding in China.

Okay, lets look a bit more closely at this. What Communism has become is bad. The theory behind Communism however, is something I support. It states that all should be paid equally. There are professional football players that make millions to provide entertainment and then some farmers that get you food so you can survive that make almost nothing! How is that fair. We can live without football, but we can't live withoust food! The loophole in this is that sometimes people that don't work as hard as others get paid the same amount as those that work hard each day. Communism centers around helping the community (hence the term Communism). It was good in theory, but it just doesn't work in reality.

Viva Che!

^^ what?

I don't think communism will ever work in the real world. It's a lovely theory, but humans aren't equal. If we started over from scratch, redistributed all the wealth in the world, gave every child the same education, if everyone had the same opportunities and everything was fair there would still be people who rose to the top and people who were stranded at the bottom. People don't just get rich out of no where, maybe they didn't do anything but somewhere a long the line, maybe their dad, or granddad, or great granddad did something to deserve that money, they worked for it.

Viva Che was the phrase used to support Che Guevara. He helped Fidel Castro take over Cuba, was Castro's right hand man, and fought to help rebellions against the government in capitalist areas. He supported what Communism was supposed to become. He actually chopped sugar cane one his days off!!! He had to eat on the way to work, and only got a few hours of sleep a day because he worked so much. Castro was actually terriffied of him, since Castro wanted more power for himself. Che Guevara also was greatly loved by the people of Cuba and third world nations around the world. He later was executed in Bolivia. Moments before Guevara was executed he was asked if he was thinking about his own immortality. "No", he replied, "I'm thinking about the immortality of the revolution." Che Guevara then told his executioner, "I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a man." Viva Che! Viva Revolution!

And it is unnecessary to make a fourth post. I've told you before to use the edit button to say things.

Bjork:

I have a very limited knowledge of communism, so this could be really stupid and naive idea,
but to me the economy part - from what I understand, everyone gets paid the same amount of money and the government owns everything - makes a decent amount of sense. I's the total abolishment of personal freedom that's so ridiculous.

Pure communism is an economical idea. The lack of freedom comes from the twisted interpretations of men. Still, if you were a hard working person who completed there work quickly and correctly would you like to be paid the same as a slacker who does nothing? To me that is completely unfair. Also the idea of government having control over everything is not one that I like. I want the government to interfere in my life as little as possible.

communism? you people are freaking crazy...yeah, that's a great idea. *sarcasm* ...So, for people who have been working ALL their lives and became a success, and EARNED every penny themselves...Let's just 'make it equal' because that's not nice for other people who have to live on the streets because they are bums who don't care enough and are just plain lazy.

And govt having total control? That is just horrible. They need to have AS LITTLE control as possible. I don't want them in my business. Plus, think about all the failing countries due to communism...Formerly part of the Soviet Union: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan.
Other Asian countries: Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, and Yemen.
Soviet-controlled Eastern bloc countries: Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Germany (East), Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia.
The Balkans: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Rep. of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia.
Africa: Angola, Benin, Dem Rep. of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, and Mozambique...current ...China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam.


plus, America was based on the declaration of independence...read up...

The declaration opens with a preamble describing the document's necessity in explaining why the colonies have overthrown their ruler and chosen to take their place as a separate nation in the world.

The King of Great Britain, George III, is guilty of 27 specific abuses. The King interfered with the colonists' right to self-government and for a fair judicial system. Acting with Parliament, the King also instituted legislation that affected the colonies without their consent. This legislation levied taxes on the colonists. It also required them to quarter British soldiers, removed their right to trial by jury, and prevented them from trading freely. Additionally, the King and Parliament are guilty of outright destruction of American life and property by their refusal to protect the colonies' borders, their confiscation of American ships at sea, and their intent to hire foreign mercenaries to fight against the colonists.

The colonial governments tried to reach a peaceful reconciliation of these differences with Great Britain, but were continually ignored. Colonists who appealed to British citizens were similarly ignored, despite their shared common heritage and their just cause. After many peaceful attempts, the colonists have no choice but to declare independence from Great Britain.
The new nation will be called the United States of America and will have no further connections with Great Britain. The new government will reserve the right to levy war, make peace, make alliances with foreign nations, conduct trade, and do anything else that nations do.

jimmy sullivan.:

And communism is a great idea, but it is just an IDEA.

But isn't capitalism also "just an idea"? I don't know what your point is. Everything started out as an idea, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

Mindfuck:

But isn't capitalism also "just an idea"? I don't know what your point is. Everything started out as an idea, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

I'd say capitalism is more than an idea since it is in use by many countries. The communist countries that exist do not function according to real communistic ideals. Not that I'm defending capitalism, god knows how corrupt and horrible it can be.

^Yes, but it started as an idea... that was the point I was essentially making. Everything is an idea; some are just implemented.

I don't think you can knock communism by saying "well, it's just and IDEA". It doesn't make sense.