Communisim
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| Darkromance Banned  Age: - Gender: - Posts: 322 | |
| fabulous killjoy. Moderator  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 46256 | loverofchemicals:not all people who live on the streets are lazy people, it's completely and utterly ignorant to think that. |
| blow Bleeding on the Floor  Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 1137 | loverofchemicals: Since when is China a failing country? You need to check your facts, China's economy is booming while ours is falling. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. And your comments about the homeless are rude and ignorant, in case you didn't know, most homeless suffer from mental diseases and have been kicked out of hospitals and left to fend for themselves. |
| fawkes Bleeding on the Floor  Age: - Gender: - Posts: 1131 | Darkromance: We do have a bit of both systems. Look at the UK: they're mostly capitalistic, but they also have things like the NHS (which is leaning towards socialism). I'm not saying that the NHS is a total success, but just that capitalistic countries do sometimes have socialistic programmes. We consider China to be communistic, but they certainly have capitalistic policies too. They are more capitalistic now than they were 50 years ago. I don't remember that history that well, but I don't think their economy fared well when they were strictly communistic (all the results from those 5 year plans were grossly exaggerated to make it seem like they were working). And look what happened to the Soviet Union... it kinda fell apart. Both communism and capitalism have their flaws. Neither would work well entirely on its own, so yes, a mixture of both does work best. What differs between the US, the UK, China, and the rest of the world is the degree to which the country chooses to be capitalistic or socialistic. And no one really tried communism the way Marx envisioned. It was too much too fast, and there was always an elite who did better than the rest of the people. And sharing doesn't seem to be compatible with human nature. Countries like the Soviet Union ended up with dictators like Stalin rather than leaders like Lenon who wanted to share the power. |
| Alexface. Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 31 Gender: Male Posts: 3489 | I don't like the idea of a government where the public don't have a say. Otherwise, what's the point in havint the government? It would be run by their views, which wouldn't necessarily represent those of the country's population itself. |
| xxZalanortxx Killjoy Age: 28 Gender: Male Posts: 79 | Alexface.: If you read what people have stated before it explains that communism is an economic system, not a political one. It's a common misconception that people have come to assume since communist countries so far have set up dictatorships. They have mostly used it to try to gain their own power, rather than promote complete and total equality for the people. What somebody stated earlier on here is unfortunately true. Nobody tried it Marx's way. Cuba has come closer than almost any other country. Che Guevara aimed to make it exactly that, but he's dead now. Now Castro is just sitting there. He does care a bit more than people think, but he still just can't let go of that little power left. |
| Heart Attack. Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 2274 | Yeah the problem with communism is that it is a loaded word, people don't really know what it means and there are a lot of negative connotations associated with it. Especially in America, a lot of people have no idea what it is really about, they just go off of what our capitalistic society has been conditioned to think, which is that communism is "bad". Communism is a good idea on paper, I'm all for everyone being economically equal and ending poverty, but unfortunately history can show us that it rarely works out. Of course China has already been mentioned as an exception, but they have a mixture of communism and capitalism. I actually think having a bit more socialism in our economy (I'm talking America, because that's where I live and what I know about) would be a good thing. Free health care for everyone and things like that are some socialist-like policies that really wouldn't be a bad idea. |
| Lovesick Melody. Bulletproof Heart  Age: 83 Gender: Female Posts: 25760 | Communism is good in theory. But the reason it doesn't work is human nature. People are greedy, and this just makes the system worthless. I don't have a great in depth knowledge about communism, but from what I gather it doesn't work. Great in theory, but when put into practice it doesn't work. |
| Darkromance Banned Age: - Gender: - Posts: 322 | Max!: We have to take into consideration the whole Chinese culture and their intelligence. They are a very smart culture and a very smart people from my experiences. I think that sometimes the success of the country kinda depends on how people go about things. It's not like us Americans got by and became a world power on our own intelligence. We became so successful because we were able to produce a lot of food and al ot of ohter supplies. Also, aren't there different ethnic gropus and siocial groups in China? I saw a thing on tv about peasants in CHina/tibet, and fights that are happening amongst two ethnic groups. Also, isn't China not completely communist? |
| Lovesick Melody. Bulletproof Heart Age: 83 Gender: Female Posts: 25760 | Correct me if I'm wrong here. In Communism there is someone in charge for a little while to get things running and then the dictatorship 'withers away'. That's the hard part and that's the reason it fails a lot of the time. The dictator doesn't want to give up power, and nobody can force them too and therefore they can stay in power. That's why communism doesn't work more often then not. |
| Wandering_Soul Jazz Hands  Age: 31 Gender: Male Posts: 303 | Communism looks good on paper, but in reality it doesn't work. What happens is that people all make the same wage, so there is really no motivation for improvement. You are going to make the same amount of money no matter how much you go to school or what carrer path you pick. With this lag, people slack, then the economy starts to slip etc. While it is not entirely bad, but total communism won't work. I'm all for higher wages and ending poverty but communism won't be able to sustain itself when it is by itself. The only way to truely get a working system is to embrace multiple views of both the communistic and capitolistic system, China is the perfect example. Strictly econmically speaking they are booming right now, while pretty much the rest of the world is in a recession. Its the blend that works, and not one system completely over the other. |
| questionable content Always Born a Crime  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 5604 | I'm not sure if this would be considered communism or just China's government in general, but the fact that they don't allow dissent is one of the reasons why they can get things done so quickly and on such a massive scale (Olympics, anyone?) But at the same time, how does that authoritarianism fit in with communism? Isn't that the opposite, the fact that an authoritarian state is not classless because someone will have to be the leader, and therefore, above the rest? I don't see how China is communist, though. |
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