Evolution and Religion
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| Rexperience Bleeding on the Floor  Age: 32 Gender: Male Posts: 1052 | The so called debate between science and religon has always interested me. In my personal opinon, evolution and God are one and the same. I will forever be both a strong man of science and a spiritual (not religous) person. While I'm all for understanding different points of view, I do not think creationism or intelligent design should be tought in public school science, for that is not its place. But thats me. Please explain any "side" you have taken in the "debate" including the one refuting its existance. Any evidence for your opinon, (what brings you to think the way you do) is important in such a discussion and would be greatly appreciated. I should also note that this is a civilized discussion, with the only purpose of letting people explain their point of view, and gain insight on others. This is not an argument about who is Right and Wrong; because honestly, this means nothing. |
| Heybaberiba Fabulous Killjoy  Age: 46 Gender: Female Posts: 131 | I just find it funny how some people "believe" in Intelligent Design, yet claims it to be science. It is not science therefore it should not be teached in schools as science. It's not my opinion opinion that it's not science, it's a fact.(ID lack the element of experiments, theories and proof.) I personaly believed that god didn't create the earth in 7 days, it is said in the bible that "In heaven, a thousand years is one day" implying that time is relative. So I don't see why god couldn't have created life from "dirt." |
| Firegarder Joining The Black Parade  Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 233 | I was never particularly religious, used to vaguely kind of think something might be there. But whilst at college a lot of my studies revolved around evolution. I mean, to understand the biology and behaviour of animals, you need a good grasp of evolution so you can understand why the animal is the way it is. Anyway, the more I studied evolution, and the better I understood it, the less I believed there was something there. Now I'm a total Atheist. I do not agree with things like Intelligent design being taught to children in schools it's not proper science, you can't prove god created evolution. And creationists are twisting science to try prove their own points which is wrong too (Meaning that they are wrong to twist it, not that their point is wrong. Although I think their point is wrong obviously! lol). I don't understand how with all the work that has been done on evolution people can still say that it's not true or they "don't believe in it." |
| Jesse Lacey; Awake and Unafraid  Age: 28 Gender: Female Posts: 12077 | I think neither should be taught in schools unless the course requires some sort of explanation to be given. I personally believe in evolution; not in forcing my opinion on people who choose to believe otherwise. |
| HEY AMY Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 3503 | Yeah. In our school, it's a Christian school. So most of the science teachers believe God created evolution. But they have never taught us that. They teach us about evolution as it is part of the course, but they don't bring religion into it, which I think is a very good idea. The only time I've heard a teacher talk about evolution & religion, is when one of the students asked what she believed. |
| IceHog69 Bulletproof Heart  Age: 31 Gender: - Posts: 25232 | I think religion and science should be kept seperate. Our biology teacher is very religious, and doesn't believe in evolution, but she will teach it, as she accepts that some people believe different things. I personally think that the world and the universe are far to complicated to have been created by one man in 6 days. I think that over time, things have changed, and evolved, and when the world was created, it was simply a big mass of boiling rock, that slowly cooled. I think that the discovery of fossils, and the different layers of rock prove this theory, as they show that something was there before. I have however, heard the argument that these were God's Mistakes, that he created before he got the design perfect. I think that evolution should be taught in school, and creation should be taught in places of worship, and in RS lessons. Some people do not believe in God, and as there are so many creation storeis from different countries and faiths, it would be hard to pick which one to teach. |
| MistressRhi Motor Baby  Age: 40 Gender: Female Posts: 991 | Well my theory on this is that i do believe in evolution BUT i also believe that things happen in the evolutionary chain that we can't explain and while science is certainly interesting and i love learning how things work there are just too many things out there that science cannot explain nor ratify Science and religion are definately 2 completely different subjects and should be kept that way but people should be given a choice as to what they'd like to study |
| lolwut Killjoy  Age: 32 Gender: Male Posts: 4 | MistressRhi: the key word is "yet". Science can't explain it yet. Maybe it never can be explained, but most thing probably can. |
| famous_last_words Motor Baby  Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 787 | Im christian. i believe in evolution. the way i see it is that things in the bible shouldnt be taken so litaral. aka each day in the seven days in the creation of the world could be representing millions of years and stuff like that |
| Lovesick Melody. Bulletproof Heart  Age: 83 Gender: Female Posts: 25760 | The thing that I continually bring up is the lack of facts. I need facts and evidence to support something. Sure, evolution isn't completely explained and it hasn't got indeniable proof for every aspect, but it has a lot more evidence then what the Bible says. Fossils, Chemical Relations, Geographical Distribution, and we can even see evolution in bacteria before our eyes. source Give me solid evidence of God and maybe then I can consider the possibility. |
| stockholm syndrome. Awake and Unafraid  Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 11390 | I believe in a mixture of the 2, but I think that religion should be kept out of school unless they're learning about religion. Science is more credible and the Bible is thousands of years old so what's written might not even be what really happened. |
| LunacyFringe Killjoy  Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 82 | Jake Sully: The universe is also far too complicated to have evolved from microscopic lifeforms. The more scientists discover about the complexity of the body the more time they need to add onto the evolution theory for it to make sense. And as scientists continue to discover more and more things about the body the age of the world will keep being pushed farther and farther back for evolution to make sense. First they the world is this many years old. Then they learn more about how amazing and complex the human body is, so they say, "Oh well it would need to take longer then that for all this complicated stuff to have evolved" so then they say the earth must be even older. The they discover more about the body, and so they say the world must be even older. Its a never-ending cycle. The human body is just too complex to have evolved over even billions of years. The evolution theory is constantly having to be updated for it to fit with the science of the human body. All the things that my 10th grade biology book that is about 10-15 years old, has already been disproven. All of it. No evolutionists believe the things that were thought to be fact about 10 years ago. And the evolution theory is going to have to continue to change to fit with the facts of human anatomy and development. Whilst the theory of intelligent design continues to stay the same: God created the world and all that is in it. |
| thank fsm. In The Murder Scene  Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 20564 | "Adding things onto evolution" does not just come from going, "oh this shit is too complex." It's from complex dating systems and new physical discoveries which these dating methods show are older than science might have previously thought possible. So that is a totally untrue statement; basic grade school teaches us all what causes change in scientific theory so I am perplexed as to how you got that randomity. Rhetorically of course. The BEST thing about evolution and science is that it changes as we admit that we have seen new things, that we may have been wrong before. Unlike some OTHER theories, which spout off nonsense and refuse to change their views regardless of what new facts are introduced. |
| LunacyFringe Killjoy Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 82 | merlin.: And as we continue to make more physical discoveries, these dating methods are going to say that the earth would need to be even older for humans to have evolved. I'm saying that it is a cycle that isn't going to end simply because the human body and DNA are too complex to have evolved, even over billions of years. There is no doubt that small changes in species occur, but all the attempts to prove macroevolution have failed. |
| thank fsm. In The Murder Scene Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 20564 | I would not say there is a failure simply because more information has been found. It's just adding onto the proof. We're humans; we're stupid. Stupid enough, even, to believe that because someone says he is a prophet, or because some group of men wrote that it was so, we believed it and lived by it for centuries to come.  We're stupid enough that, you know, we don't know anything really, so we do kind of have to just keep exploring, proving and disproving theories. But science has not DISPROVED evolution, just said that it has perhaps happened at different rates than before. |
| brandleys; Death Defying  Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 186346 | I don't think evolution should be taught because it hasn't been fuley proven and it's just a theory (my biology teacher said she hates teaching evolution although she believes it.). However I also don't think creationism should be taught because that hasn't been truley scientific proven either and it has to do with religion and others may be angered by it as I'm angered by evolution. However one of my athiest friends said that if they teach evolution they should also teach creationism, which would be fine with me. But with the whole science and religion thing, I think God created science, therefore they're like the same but different... I'm not making any sense. |
| Alexface. Salute You in Your Grave  Age: 31 Gender: Male Posts: 3489 | I think evolution is fine to be taught in schools; it's a scientific theory, therefore it's perfectly valid as curriculum in science lessons. If religion is being taught in a completely unbiased way then beliefs like creationism are fine to be taught as well. But in these circumstances I mean teaching as in teaching that they exist, not that they're right. If we only taught things that we knew were 100% accurate then science lessons would be pretty thin on the ground. |
| LunacyFringe Killjoy Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 82 | merlin.: Your mistaking the argument about whether evolution is true or not to be an argument of science vs. religion. Its not. Its an argument of science vs. science. Your right, science has not disproved evolution, and some things have been found that point toward evolution. But you fail to realize that there is also a lot of evidence that not just goes against evolution, but even points toward creationism. The things you were taught in 10th grade biology class, that all the evidence points toward evolution and that its all indisputable, thats wrong. There are still so many holes in the evolution theory that it takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as it does intelligent design. |
| thank fsm. In The Murder Scene Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 20564 | I'd say it takes far less, because there are far more instances of viable proof than there are viable proof as to the Bible stories. I already know you and I are not on the same wavelength, so I'm just going to stop here, because I feel like anything else will be nitpicking. Thank you. |
| Lovesick Melody. Bulletproof Heart Age: 83 Gender: Female Posts: 25760 | LunacyFringe: Could you expand on this? I'd like to see this evidence. |
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