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Lovesick Melody.
Bulletproof Heart
Age: 83
Gender: Female
Posts: 25760 | November 21st, 2007 at 09:09am
Lock if felt necessary. 
I was lurking on Buzznet and found a forum which really made me think.
"Now that we have your undivided female attention, I want you to do us a favor. You're gonna be going to rock shows for the rest of your natural life, right ladies? Ladies, let me hear you holler! If you ever see shitty ass rock dudes in shitty ass rock bands asking you to show them your tits for a backstage pass, I want you to spit right in their fuckin' face and yell FUCK YOU!"
How did we go from that, to this?
"I wanna hear you fuck yourselves. I wanna hear you ACTUALLY fuck yourselves. What does that sound like? Let me hear you fuck yourselves!"
So it's not alright for singers to ask girls to show their tits, but getting a bunch of fourteen year old girls, or ANY age girls to simulate an orgasm for you is different and that makes it OK?
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"I can find real beauty in things, I was never able to do that, I thought--everything disgusted me, and I was [a] very angry little dude and I don't feel so angry anymore. I just wanna kind of give the world something special."
* TasteiTTV interview in early 2007
Then only a few weeks ago we have this TasteitTV interview. This is a great interview and the interviewer knows what she's talking about. I think she knows exactly what is going on. She asks Gerard if there is a link between the artist and his creations. Basically she asks him if you need to practice what you preach. He evades and squirms and finally tells her, No, it is not important to practice what you preach. She says, "Imagine that someone is singing loves songs and about respect towards people, and then he is a complete asshole behind the stage." Oh yes, she knows what's going on. It's interesting to watch Gerard try to avoid this question and fail. She also mentions respecting women. "If I look at it as a fan," she says "I wouldn't be able to listen to that person anymore." Watch Gerard's face when she says that. Then Gerard brings up the painter Carravaggio and says he was a "womanizer" and says, "Once you know that about him, does it make his paintings any less beautiful? ... No, it doesn't." Who are we really talking about here, Gerard? She tells him, "It depends on what he paints. Imagine that he's painting about respect...... And then he's like, fake." Watch his face when she says that.
Thats just a small part of it, More here. :]
I'm not saying I agree with all this, but it does make you wonder about some things.
Sure people examine them a lot more then what they should be doing, but don't you think that they shouldn't change their tone?
What do you guys think?
This is a discussion thread to voice opinions, not to say that one person is wrong and that another is right. You can agree or disagree, but no personal attacks please.
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little monster.
Full of Ephedrine
Age: 34
Gender: Female
Posts: 40962 | November 21st, 2007 at 09:41am I don't agree. That was a perfectly good interview, which made me love Gee even more. I didn't see any squirming going on. He was being completely honest and I thought he was making good points. I think this person is reading too much stuff into this.
Gee doesn't preach anymore, you see. If this person really saw the interview, she will have heard Gerard saying the don't won't to talk as much on stage as they did before. They want the music to speak for itself. And I still think what Gee said is very different than asking girls to show their tits, I must say.
So no, I don't think they lost their values. They are still my five heroes. |
Nerual
Bleeding on the Floor
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Posts: 1797 | November 21st, 2007 at 09:46am I don't really see what you saw in the interview but if that second quote that you have up there is true in relation to the first quote.... Ouch. That kinda hurts.
But I dunno... I'm undecided... |
little monster.
Full of Ephedrine
Age: 34
Gender: Female
Posts: 40962 | November 21st, 2007 at 09:52am Nerual:I don't really see what you saw in the interview but if that second quote that you have up there is true in relation to the first quote.... Ouch. That kinda hurts.
But I dunno... I'm undecided...
it's what happens at live concerts. The band and the fans get eachother totally crazy. It's not meant personally. If he asked a person who was standing right in front of the stage to show him her tits it would have been the same.
this is the last thing I'm going to say about this: People are making to much fuss about this. I'm sick and tired of seeing every single move he makes analyzed like this. It's unhealthy and whoever wrote this blog is upsetting a lot of people by ripping everything out of context. If you want to talk to me about this, you will have to PM me, because I can't stay in this thread. I hate discussions. It makes me angry. I know that's wrong but it's who I am |
Lovesick Melody.
Bulletproof Heart
Age: 83
Gender: Female
Posts: 25760 | November 21st, 2007 at 09:56am Anique:
it's what happens at live concerts. The band and the fans get eachother totally crazy. It's not meant personally. If he asked a person who was standing right in front of the stage to show him her tits it would have been the same.
But asking somebody to fuck themselves. And that he wants to hear it?
This is an all ages concert (I think), I personally don't think its appropriate.
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Gerard Arthur Way.
Demolition Lover
Age: 32
Gender: Female
Posts: 18605 | November 21st, 2007 at 10:00am I wouldn't take that fuckyourself thing too serious...
I agree with Anique on both her points. |
Millstone
Bleeding on the Floor
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 1027 | November 21st, 2007 at 10:52am I go to rock shows to listen to music and have fun. I don't need a after school special message about being myself or something. |
Dee_mentia
Fabulous Killjoy
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 159 | November 21st, 2007 at 11:42am He's absolutely insane on stage, in a good way, so I personally won't take what he said strongly. |
ciara.
Crash Queen
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Posts: 32541 | November 21st, 2007 at 11:57am Not because he usually says 'nice' stuff on stage, it doesn't mean that we should take everything that he says seriously, I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously.
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Teenage.-Misfit
Thinking Happy Thoughts
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 595 | November 21st, 2007 at 12:25pm I think thats a great interview and she knows what she's talking about for sure. but I don't think that it means the guys have lost their Values. with the practice what you preach thing you have to remember Gerard is 30, his been through alot of things and sure he can change from now on but he wouldn't have come up with the values if he hadn't stuffed up.
If you look at his drug/alcohol addiction one of the reasons he started was because he thought that was who he had to be to be 'gerard way' on stage atleast and now he tells people to be who they are and don't give a fuck about others.
and you have to remember this is an on the spot interview with one of the guys, even if gee see's things differently now doesn't mean the whole band does. and as you grew I think everyones values change, you don't know what is going on in his life. I still think these guys are awsome. but each to their own I guess. |
selfish machine.
Always Born a Crime
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Posts: 6726 | November 21st, 2007 at 04:43pm That second quote is one of the main reasons that I don't care for My Chemical Romance anymore. He knows that there are younger kids in the audience, but he just doesn't care. I'm sure all those parents that go to concerts with their 11-14 year old kids just LOVE explaining all the stuff he says that they're too young to understand.
I just don't understand why he insists on saying these things when he is perfectly aware of the younger kids in the crowd.
Most of the people in this thread don't care about it much because you're all ranging in age from like 16 to 86. Of course you don't care what he says on stage.
I don't know how you can just shrug it off. I find it annoying, and I can't take them seriously anymore.
//Don't attack me for having an opinion.// |
Morgaine.
Jazz Hands
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Posts: 291 | November 21st, 2007 at 05:01pm Oh this again....
No one is supposed to attack you for having an opinion ^^^ - that's the whole point of a discussion. I can see youre point though. However I am an older fan and also a fan of bands that do a whole lot worse on stage believe me. Personally it doesn't bother me at all, I have a laugh and forget about it. Alot of people are into Frerard and I am not that big on it myself - I don't take it serious but I can see how it can bother someone younger or more sensitive..... But if it bothers someone so much that they stop liking MCR then they should not listen to them anymore and move on to something else, not attacking them and saying nasty things - Mind that this is not directed at anyone here just a general opinion of what I have seen....
But hey - rock on MCR! |
Lovesick Melody.
Bulletproof Heart
Age: 83
Gender: Female
Posts: 25760 | November 21st, 2007 at 07:33pm
songs of victory., exactely!
What I find is that if they can't acknowledge the younger members in the crowd then they should have an all ages show!
If they can't respect the younger kids then why make it open for them?
I mean, asking 12 year old girls to 'fuck' themselves? And he wants to hear it?
Don't you think thats a bit extreme? 0.o
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mental_scottish_lass
Joining The Black Parade
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 210 | November 21st, 2007 at 07:40pm You no what the bits there are...pin pointed off course your gonna say things which are bad and good ... parents are aware of the things when they let there 14 year old go into the pits n cshit but i think they have all their values they are still getting there points across......not having a dig , but those quotes were pin pointed xx |
Brain damage
Salute You in Your Grave
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Posts: 4820 | November 21st, 2007 at 07:52pm o god i renember watching that interveiw ,, it so changed the way i look at gee now... i look at him as an amazing vocalis and a great preformer ,, but i think that he his one of the most boring persons on earth ,,and that all becuse of that interveiw!!
buuuut then again ,, he says that he just wants to be a rock band for now .. and that is what i have always wanted mcr to do ... stop thinking so much and just do ,, enjoy the music and just let go .. and that " i want to hear you fuck yourselfs" i dont give a shit ,, tough you 14 or 30 .. we arent that diffrent after all..my freinds was at that concert and she loved it ,, becuse onece your in there seeing your favorit band play and the band seeing all the people they have to support ,, what the fuck does it matter.. at that point your all equals |
Naomi-Rose
Killjoy
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 95 | November 21st, 2007 at 08:28pm Lovesick Melody.:
songs of victory., exactely!
What I find is that if they can't acknowledge the younger members in the crowd then they should have an all ages show!
If they can't respect the younger kids then why make it open for them?
I mean, asking 12 year old girls to 'fuck' themselves? And he wants to hear it?
Don't you think thats a bit extreme? 0.o
I think Gerard just went a bit crazy and said it, I really don't think he meant it personally.
He (and other members of the band) have said numerous times that they change when the lights go off on stage, I think gee just got too into the moment and said stupid shit, it happens to us all.
I'm not saying what he said was right or appropriate, but I am saying that I don't think he thought about what he was saying before he said it.
I agree that Gerard can come across as boring or introverted, but he never claimed to be the most exciting person on earth, people did that for him.
I personally don't think Gerard's changed that much, I just think he should engage his brain before opening his mouth sometimes, no matter how crazy it feels up there on stage in front of thousands of fans; I definitely don't think he's back on drugs - I remember he said in an interview once that the minute he touched drink/drugs again was the minute he lost it all.
And he still seems pretty composed etc in interviews. |
DIE! DIE! DIE!
Bleeding on the Floor
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 1067 | November 21st, 2007 at 09:39pm I think the band members have changed as per their prioritys. I don't think they are as fan focused, and I don't think they make much of an effort to me. That's about it through. Im just not very impressed with them anymore, though i know that's a VERY unpopular opinion and you tend to get flamed on this board for it. I think there are many people out there that like to think that the boys of MCR can do no wrong, or try to justify their wrong.
screwing up is human too |
Green Faerie
Salute You in Your Grave
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Posts: 2903 | November 22nd, 2007 at 01:25am Naomi-Rose: I agree that Gerard can come across as boring or introverted, but he never claimed to be the most exciting person on earth, people did that for him.
I really agree with this statement. I think that when people put him on a pedestal that he didn't ask for he is doomed to screw up. He is just a man, and wow it's so tempting to start quoting WTTBP but I won't, Lol.
I think it isn't nice that he says things that are 'risque' for children under a certain age to say. But it is a rock show, and if he wants to put on a good show, then he does what he does... if he went in the other direction and 'fluffied' things up then the more hardcore fans would start accusing MCR of being "Too soft or Emo" etc... Different people are always going to be dissapointed by the creative direction the band takes. I also think that since the songs have some obscene 'parental advisory' lyrics, then parents should know what to expect when they go to the concerts.
I think since he has stopped drinking, he has developed his stage persona to a place he is happy with, and if that is obscene every now and again then that's what we pay to see. Although that I agree that children shouldn't see it, but I don't think that is the band's fault... they never aimed their music at that young an age group... did they? (I'm just guessing here) I think the ruder it gets on stage he may be over conpensating because he feels he is too boring and 'Vanilla' and maybe he'll think that people don't pay to see that.
This band always have criticism from every change of direction they take, because of the simple fact you can't please both ends of your fan base, it's almost impossible to do.
Ironically enough, I thought the band had lost their values because of the lack of talking on stage, but that interview you linked explained Gerard's reason for that... Lol... so it kind of had the opposite effect. I thought it was a great interview so thanks for posting it, it's in my favourites now.
I do understand where you are coming from, and I don't defend the band just because of what band they are. I would call them on something if I thought they did something wrong, but at the moment I just think it is a problem because of a difference in the fan base.
Thanks for creating such a debating topic.... you've brought my thinking head into play.
xxx |
dreamerforever
Salute You in Your Grave
Age: 34
Gender: Female
Posts: 4287 | November 22nd, 2007 at 01:29am I don't think they've lost their values, although it seems that way. |
selfish machine.
Always Born a Crime
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Posts: 6726 | November 22nd, 2007 at 01:55am This part really hit me:
"Gerard once said, When this stops being special, when we become part of the problem, it will be time to quit. It can happen on the next record or five records from now. When this stops meaning something, we'll all walk away.
Walk away."
I think this whole thing is falling apart. They really need that two-year break. Now.
But another thing, why are people on this board so against discussing things that MCR have done wrong? Why is it only acceptable to talk about what angels they are? Just like DIE! DIE! DIE! said, screwing up is human. MCR are NOT perfect. They screw up, and people talk about it. But no one wants to hear it.
I don't know. I think this band may be coming to a close. There's just too much weirdness going on for this to keep going for much longer.
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And I definitely love the idea of the all-ages shows. They invented those for a reason.
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