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Helena of Sorrows Fabulous Killjoy Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 133	October 21st, 2008 at 06:44am porn doesnt bother me at all. i mean, i think its a matter of choice if you would like to get involve in porn in any ways. and i think we should be like open-minded in stuffs like this, i mean we all be involve in sexual activities in future though. but i still believe that sex should be done after marriage, but in reality, i think only a few do it nowadays. well, that's just me anyways.
MCRForeverAndEver Killjoy Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 17	November 10th, 2008 at 12:15pm I dont think it should be banned, but it should be kept where people who dont want to see it shouldnt have tolook at it. like in th supermarket they have all the mens magazines on diaplay for everyone to see even little kids, and I dont think its appropriae. and in blockbuster, I found a wierd porn film in the family section. a little kid could easily have found it. also I think pornstars shold get more protection, they should make more laws to help them, because so many of them catch diseases/infections and die,
Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 1725	November 17th, 2008 at 06:34am vacant3by4-: ...and i always think that its their job, and when your job is sex 9 to 5, surely it cant be that great, which must mean theyre pretending to enjoy it. and THAT is what bothers me. girls having to pretend theyre ENJOYING getting fucked just to get a paycheck at the end of the day. I get what you're saying, but the fact is that these women CHOOSE to 'pretend to enjoy sex with ugly guys for eight hours a day just to get a paycheck'. Plenty of people choose careers that I would never, ever entertain doing myself, but if that's what they want to do, who is anybody to criticise? On a slightly different topic, couldn't one also argue that a wife essentially screws for pay? It's almost a universal unspoken contract between husbands and wives that if the man is paying the bills, the woman puts out when he wants it (provided she's feeling somewhat up to it). I mean, I don't work, so I don't earn my own income - therefore, my husband pays all my bills and puts food on the table, and if I'm really 'nice' to him, he might give me a bit of extra play money to go treat myself to some new shoes or a dress. To me, it's not whoring, prostitution or anything, it's just part of the unspoken agreement most women have with their partners if they don't earn as much as their man does. He looks after me, and I look after him, you know? By the same token, my husband hates his job and would give absolutely anything not to have to get up at 6am and be at work for ten hours a day, and half a day on Saturdays, but he basically whores himself to his employer so he can get paid. Everybody does. Whether your 'services' involve sex, or just sitting at a desk writing up reports and answering phones, or sweating your ass off day in and day out in a job that involves manual labour or whatever, you're basically trading something you have for money - ie, prostituting. Just one way of looking at it.
Mindfuck Always Born a Crime Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 5614	November 17th, 2008 at 06:40am ^To be honest, I'd prefer to just have sex with my husband because I want to, not so he would give me money to buy shoes But I get what you're saying and I agree with most of it. And if someone goes into the sex industry willingly, then they must know what they're getting themselves into.
Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 1725	November 17th, 2008 at 07:25pm ^ Well naturally I still want to have sex with him (albeit a lot less often than he wants it), but I can't deny that it's part of my 'job', along with things like cooking, doing the laundry, blah blah blah. I guess what I was trying to say is that no matter what career you're in, whether it's an office job or the adult industry, you're basically trading your services for money, and we all have days where we don't want to drag our butts out of bed and go to work, but we do it for the cash - so who is anybody else to criticise a woman who enters into the porn industry, just for the paycheck? We all do jobs at some point that we're not keen on, but we need the money. Very few people wind up in their 'dream' job, so for the rest of us poor saps, we may as well be considered prostitutes because we do something we don't like just to pay the bills.
make some noise; Jazz Hands Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 271	November 17th, 2008 at 10:35pm ^ But that's the point. Prostitutes, even if they don't have a good education, could still attempt to find a different job that doesn't emotionally [or physically] scar them as much as prostitution must. I am not criticising the women who do this, obviously they need the money badly, I'm just stating that they could at least TRY to find a different way to pay the bills.
Kaede Bleeding on the Floor Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 1359	November 17th, 2008 at 11:52pm But prostitutes become prostitutes because they have tried to find a different job, if there was another job I reckon they would take it. And for some people its not easy to find a job you know, especially in countries where its poor. But we can't stop them if they want to be in the porn industry, who knows, that could be their dream job, you can't criticise someone for doing something they want to do.
Mindfuck Always Born a Crime Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 5614	November 18th, 2008 at 02:18am Kaede: But prostitutes become prostitutes because they have tried to find a different job, if there was another job I reckon they would take it. And what if you're a prostitute by choice? I'm not going to lie; I've considered working in the sex industry - and if I do, then that's my choice. Not everyone does it because they're desperate. But this isn't about prostitution as such - the whole point that Donna was trying to make was that working in porn is a job. You get paid for the services you give. Some people have a problem with the nature of the work, but when it comes down to it, it's a job if you choose to do it. Just like working in an office 9 - 5 is a job. You're getting paid for working.
Kaede Bleeding on the Floor Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 1359	November 18th, 2008 at 06:24am But I was just replying to what Beautiful Tragedy was saying. (Sorry, maybe it was better if I quoted...). I agree though, there are people who don't like that idea of prostitution but its all down to the person who chooses to do.
Person0001 Always Born a Crime Age: 43 Gender: Female Posts: 5099	November 18th, 2008 at 12:12pm Prostitution is off-topic for this thread, however, I personally am in favor of legalization. I cannot see one argument against illegalizing anything to do with the sexual relationship between two consenting adults (i.e. Proposition 8.) Now back to pornography: we all know that the participants are "acting" to a certain extent, and that young boys might learn to expect outrageous behavior from women that most of us have no intention of volunteering them (i.e. vaccuuming naked and, while bent over, turning seductively to the observing plumber and saying "The hose is stuck, can you bring...your hose over here?" (cue seductive music) but that's alright - it's fantasy and despite what the church ladies would have you believe, it doesn't hurt anyone. Men do not go out and rape women just because they watched a porno movie. That argument is as tired as a waitress' feet after a 14-hour shift.
make some noise; Jazz Hands Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 271	November 18th, 2008 at 03:01pm ^ While this is true, if someone is, say, a recovering sexual predetor and looks at pornography, it could stimulate him to want to rape other women again, and yes, it is his choice to look at it, but wouldn't it be better if it just wasn't available? My question is, really, what is the GOOD in it? There's a lot of argument between the quote "church ladies" and.. er... non-church ladies, I guess, that either it's dirty/bad or there's nothing wrong with it, it's not hurting you, etc. I'd like to honestly know what GOOD pornography does anyone, except those who sell it to people, in which case it makes them money.
Person0001 Always Born a Crime Age: 43 Gender: Female Posts: 5099	November 18th, 2008 at 03:53pm Beautiful Tragedy.: if someone is, say, a recovering sexual predetor and looks at pornography, it could stimulate him to want to rape other women again, and yes, it is his choice to look at it, but wouldn't it be better if it just wasn't available? That's like saying we shouldn't sell sharp knives anymore because a paroled murderer might be tempted to stab someone with it.
Jenny. Moderator Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 19720	November 18th, 2008 at 05:48pm Beautiful Tragedy.: . I'd like to honestly know what GOOD pornography does anyone, except those who sell it to people, in which case it makes them money. It relieves sexual frustration, I suppose?
make some noise; Jazz Hands Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 271	November 18th, 2008 at 06:46pm ^ Possibly...? That's all I could come up with, as well. My main frusteration against it is that it really DOESN'T do our community a whole bundle of good. It doesn't hurt anyone, but, at the same time, it really doesn't HELP people much.
Jenny. Moderator Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 19720	November 18th, 2008 at 07:26pm ^ Exactly, it doesn't hurt anyone. It's a way of relieving stress, essentially, and maybe some people want to go into the pornography career, I don't know. I don't see the harm of it. It's like novelty toys such as balloons - they don't hurt anyone, but they don't really help, do they?
Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 1725	November 18th, 2008 at 08:34pm Beautiful Tragedy.: My main frustration against it is that it really DOESN'T do our community a whole bundle of good. It doesn't hurt anyone, but, at the same time, it really doesn't HELP people much. So, by your reasoning, just because something isn't helping society, or good for society, then it's wrong? I can think of a million things that aren't necessarily a good thing, or particularly useful to most people, but are still freely available and are never debated. What I'm saying is, I don't really get your point.
tabitha Bleeding on the Floor Age: 45 Gender: Female Posts: 1831	November 18th, 2008 at 10:00pm I have already posted this opinion, but for the people new to the debate: I have a dear friend who works in the porn industry, and specializes in bondage fetish. She does it for three reasons. For one, she truly enjoys what she does. For another, she makes a ton of money and has a lot of opportunities to travel. The third, and probably most important reason as far as this discussion is concerned, is that she provides a service so that someone who is into that particular fetish can live out their fantasy. A sexual desire or fetish can be very strong in some people; so much so that they will become sexual predators because they don't have any other way to indulge. Or, they can contact her, set up an appointment (a "commission," so to speak) and she will provide that fantasy in a safe environment. I would argue that by providing that person with the ability to indulge in their fetish, she keeps that person from going out and kidnapping and raping someone, and forcing them to perform that act against their will. I agree with Donna, there are a myriad of jobs out there that don't benefit society. Not everyone can be blessed with the perfect job that ensures peace and happiness and prosperity in the world. The majority of us are pencil pushers or corporate zombies doing what we can do to bring home a paycheck and keep our families secure. We do the best we can with what we have.
Mindfuck Always Born a Crime Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 5614	November 19th, 2008 at 02:12am Beautiful Tragedy.: but wouldn't it be better if it just wasn't available? What do you think would happen if porn became unavailable or illegal? I genuinely want to know your answer. Beautiful Tragedy.: My question is, really, what is the GOOD in it? I believe that humans are voyeuristic creatures by nature, and we derive pleasure from watching naked people, and indeed people having sex, erotic pictures, erotic fantasies, fetishes etc. I think that, for this reason, porn can be good. Obviously, everyone's tastes in porn and erotica is going to vary - everyone has different fetishes and boundaries and heights of arousal - but fundamentally I think porn can do people good if they choose and want to watch it. It can relieve sexual tension, and I don't think that's anything to be sneezed at. Sexual pleasure is natural, and naturally we want to find something to satisfy it. It's convenient for a lot of people, and a lot of couples benefit from it. I believe that people who strongly oppose pornography are those who aren't altogether comfortable with sex and sexual feelings. And if one opposes pornography on the sole basis that women are objectified, I think one needs to look at the general scheme of pornography.
Cigarettes And Suicide Bleeding on the Floor Age: 37 Gender: Female Posts: 1725	November 19th, 2008 at 04:37am Mindfuck: I believe that people who strongly oppose pornography are those who aren't altogether comfortable with sex and sexual feelings. And if one opposes pornography on the sole basis that women are objectified, I think one needs to look at the general scheme of pornography. Amen. I generally find that the above statement is closer to the truth than anything else. Perhaps why oppressed, brainwashed Christians tend to be the most vocal about porn being an unnecessary evil? Honestly though, sex is a natural, healthy thing, and it is by the virtue of our nature that humans are, as has been said, voyeuristic creatures, many of whom are not only comfortable with, but downright excited by, the notion of looking at naked bodies or watching people have sex. Nothing wrong with that, providing they're not peeking through the gap in their neighbour's venetian blinds.
tabitha Bleeding on the Floor Age: 45 Gender: Female Posts: 1831	November 19th, 2008 at 10:17am Beautiful Tragedy.: ^ While this is true, if someone is, say, a recovering sexual predetor and looks at pornography, it could stimulate him to want to rape other women again, and yes, it is his choice to look at it, but wouldn't it be better if it just wasn't available? An alcoholic is tempted every time they see a drink, they have to have the willpower to say no. A smoker who has quit craves a cigarette every time they see someone else smoking, or if they even think about it. Someone who is obese would eat a dozen donuts on their own. People abuse prescription drugs, but why withhold pain medication from people who truly need it? Alcohol, cigarettes, junk food, and prescription pain meds are still available, and will remain so, despite their potential for abuse. How is any of this different than the average couple viewing porn to stimulate their sex life?

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