Beauty and perception

i think it Counts both ways becauseyou want someone cute but not someone who is a total retard

Sorry if this has already been discussed previously, but has anyone here heard of the 1:1.618 ratio?

The Greeks were the first people to develop this "golden ratio" and supposedly (and it's pretty much been proven) it is the most appealing ratio to the human eye. The Parthanon was built using this ratio and it is considered one of the most structurally beautiful buildings. Many things in nature sport this ratio as well, especially certain flowers.

Some specialists have developed a sort of mask that was created using this ratio, and it has been proven to fit perfectly over people of all ethnicities who are considered by society to be beautiful. For some perspective, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, two people considered by American society to be very beautiful, both fit this mask.

To make it a bit clearer, people who display the perfect 1:1.618 ratio and are therefore "perfectly" beautiful have mouths thats lengths are 1.618 times the width of their nose, when they smile the distance from their lips edge to the corner of their face is 1.618 times the length of their mouth, etc.

This leads us to believe that the concept of physical (not inner, that is an entirely different matter all together) beauty is innate and something we are born knowing. They've even tested babies, and they respond more positively (smiling and cooing) to "beautiful" people than to people that are considered average.

Just wondering if anyone had brought this up and what you all thought of it. It's very legit.

i have heard of that ratio.
i remeber reading in a magazine how they were comparing 4 well known celbrities and parts of their body to the ratio.
however, it appeared that none of these supposedly "beautiful" celebrities fitted into the ratio. i think they tested jessica alba, kate moss, micha barton, and keira knightly. none of them were perfection it seemed.
but i must say there is a point about how people respond more to attractive people than those who are just average. i mean everyone does it in a shallow way. if you see a beautiful person in the street you are more likely to be open to talking to them and likeing them than if you saw an average person. people who are beautiful always have more people trying to know them or communicate with them because it is a natural attraction.
now i know that it can be a load of rubbish, as a person who is attractive can be a horrible and completely personality less individual. how ever, if you think about the social situations you have been in, the most attractive people always get the most attebtion and different feelings towards them compared to average people.

the way i see it is that i have some friends who are naturally skinny or were on a diet(i didnt like that idea but anywho) and they have a limited sense of humor. whether their body type and humor are connected, i dont know, but some of my friends who are..... bigger than average have a wonderful personality and are hilarious. that proves to me that physical beauty is only skin deep and shouldnt be taken so seriously because if that's all you care about then you'll miss someone whos more than average and look at the shallow humans.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Enough said. A person could be drop dead gorgous to some ppl and completely hideous to the others. I don't judge on ppl's looks and the media I think has a lot to do with ppl and low self esteem. I mean I watch this show called "The Insider" and all the time it's "this girl is waaay too skinny!" and then "This person is waay too fat!!" It's ridiculous!

well i think you should take some considoration in what you look like to show that you care and stuff. for example the whole job situation, whether your ugly or not if you look like you took a little bit of time to make youself look presentable, it shows you care and take pride in yourself. i mean if i was some boss and i saw some beautiful person walk in, but with a baggy t shirt and sweats, and i saw a not so attractive person but was dressed nicley and took time to look appropriate i would choose the not so attractive one because it shows that they care. the other person, though they are beautiful or attractive, would almost send me an i dont give a darn kind of vibe which i would not want. though if the beautiful person walked in looking appropriatle or whatever, then sadly in most situations the attractive one would be chosen. which would not be at all fair, but sadly thats the way it is. its truly not fair at all, and its really sad. and as far as love goes it should not be at all about looks it should be all the inside, though sadly once again its not, and its truly not fair...at all.

One thing that really gets me with the whole beauty thing is, and it's probably been discussed before, but anyway: People who worship 'pretty' or 'beautiful' people, even though their personality is horrible and they're uglier on the inside than a plateful of turds.
We see it all the time. For instance, in school - the popular girls, no matter how nasty to others they are, or dumb, or snobbish, always have boys chasing after them, drooling all over them, worshipping them from afar. And everyone says to these guys, 'You know she's a mean, spiteful cow - what the hell do you see in her? Why are you so into her, when you know she'll never give you the time of day?' and the guy in question just shakes his head and smiles and comes up with some lame excuse, or gets all defensive of her, when he knows as well as anyone that yeah, her face may be slammin', but she's an out-and-out bitch.
Same goes for the hot guys - they treat everyone around them like dirt, only ahve time for the equally pretty female equivalent, and yet all the average girls lust after him, even after he and his friends do things like play practical jokes on them or poke fun at them.

I know every town has this situation and everybody knows somebody who's been there or done that, so I know my situation isn't unique... there's this girl who I went to school with, who wasn't that much of a bitch but still pretty mean to anybody she didn't deem 'cool' or 'popular', and now that she's finished school, she's got sooooo much worse. I know of ten guys who have incurable crushes on her, and still follow her around the local nightclub offering to buy her drinks and just hang around her like bad smells, every weekend - even when she either refuses to speak to them, makes fun of them to their face, or asks her friends to tell them to go away. And they admit she's a total cow, but still, the next time her name gets mentioned, their eyes glaze over and they start smiling to themselves like morons.

Why do people insist on having feelings for beautiful people who are incredibly ugly on the inside? I mean, I've been attracted to cute people before, but if their personality doesn't match or they prove to be nasty, spiteful, vindictive etc (to me or others), my crush on them instantly shrivels up and dies. I notice it's mainly men who can't seem to get past the pretty face and recognise that they're lusting after someone who, if they looked any different, they wouldn't give the time of day to, simply because their attitude needs a major adjustment.
Why are people so dumb?

I know people are gonna shoot me for this, but guess what.
Who the hell says that if you don't do your hair, don't slather on makeup, dress in hideous clothes, you're automatically "real" or "true to yourself"?
Guess what?
People are not always gonna follow your beliefs, hun.
Females will have a soft spot for trends. Females will consider going blonde, or get that navy-blue mascara.

See, you guys get so friggin' flipped-out about the word "beauty", because you think it automatically comes down to some slender, blonde girl with a pretty face and massive breasts.

Beauty comes in all shapes, sizes, and colors.
I think we all have learned that in kindergarden, now have we, children?
I'm sorry I sound so cruel, but enough is enough.
If a bunch of "beautiful" people are being cruel to you, it's their loss, because you're beautiful for who you are.

I don't want everyone to be in one category of social accepted beauty (long hair, blue eyes, skinny, etc) because I find beauty everywhere I turn. Crap, even my grandma had grey hair, and I find her sweet and beautiful and amazing.

What I do want everyone here to do is to look presentable, like all the other people have said here. If you are "curvy" or "round", find clothes that fit your body shape. Find a haircut/color that you love, even if it's blonde!

When school comes around again, I'm gonna cut my hair to my shoulders, add blonde streaks and have my bangs cut across my forehead.
I'm gonna find cool clothes, buy them, wear them, and feel good about myself.
Am I vile?
Am I selfish?
Well, maybe I am, but I don't want to be slugging around and feeling all emo about how I look, now do I?

This is for my english oral:

You look at ugly as if it is the opposite of beauty. Ugly is not the opposite of beauty.
Ugly and beauty are two words on two completely different playing feilds.
They work alongside each other. Ugly does not counter-act beauty and vice versa.

Ugly is the strength of confidence and the ability to not be ashamed of who you are.
Ugly is straying away from what is perceived as 'normal' but yet at the same time, is the definition of 'normal' or 'imperfect'.
An ugly object or person shows the true beauty of courage, confidence, imperfect-ness and therin lies the beauty of ugly'

I copy right that. Lol.

Yara; wtf...:

I've had this on-going discussion with my husband about why beauty is important.

He tells me that it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks about you, or the expectations of people. Spending an hour every morning doing your make up is totally pointless, because when it comes down to it, the only one that has to like who you are is you yourself. Nobody else matters.
If you're comfortable with who you are, people will notice that and like you for it. If you don't put on make up, and don't try so hard, and someone ends up not liking you for it, then that's his/her problem.


It's in my opinion that in this day and age, and society, beauty is very important. It's the difference between getting a job or not. People judge you by the way you look. If you're absolutely gorgeous, you get treated better. I know this from experience.


What do you think? Does the outside count? Is the inside just as important? What is beauty to you?

I will have to agree with your husband on this one. It really shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks of you if you're truly happy with yourself and have good self esteem then why focus too much on what people think? Your own happiness with yourself should be the only thing that matters when it comes to beauty. We're not all built to be and look the same because if we are the world would be such a boring place. Beauty comes in all different shapes and sizes, not just those who carry the waif-like appearance. As long as you're healthy and happy nothing else should matter.

If certain people treat you better just because of your appearance it is NOTHING more than another form of discrimination.

^Sad fact is, our happiness and self-esteem, as much as we want to deny it, is decided by what others think of us. Logic suggests that if you have a lot of friends who compliment your appearance, you got picked for a job over someone less attractive (which does happen, nobody can deny it) etc, then your self-image and self-esteem will be pretty high.
Following that theory, if society considers you unattractive etc, your self-esteem suffers no matter what, because you find it harder to attract a boy/girlfriend, get a job, etc etc.
So as much as people say that inner beauty is the important thing and it doesn't matter what others say, that's a total lie. I know that I feel much better about myself and my appearance when somebody compliments me, and I feel my self-esteem slipping when I look in the mirror and see pimples, puffy eyes and messy hair.

Yes, beauty does come in all different shapes and sizes, and society knows that. But the fact remains that if you really are just unattractive, whether you're skinny, fat, blonde, brunette, whatever, people are going to react negatively towards that and therefore you'll feel bad about yourself. Nobody can live under a rock or in their own fantasy world forever, so nobody's immune to society's reaction to their appearance.

Cigarettes And Suicide:

^Sad fact is, our happiness and self-esteem, as much as we want to deny it, is decided by what others think of us. Logic suggests that if you have a lot of friends who compliment your appearance, you got picked for a job over someone less attractive (which does happen, nobody can deny it) etc, then your self-image and self-esteem will be pretty high.
Following that theory, if society considers you unattractive etc, your self-esteem suffers no matter what, because you find it harder to attract a boy/girlfriend, get a job, etc etc.
So as much as people say that inner beauty is the important thing and it doesn't matter what others say, that's a total lie. I know that I feel much better about myself and my appearance when somebody compliments me, and I feel my self-esteem slipping when I look in the mirror and see pimples, puffy eyes and messy hair.

Yes, beauty does come in all different shapes and sizes, and society knows that. But the fact remains that if you really are just unattractive, whether you're skinny, fat, blonde, brunette, whatever, people are going to react negatively towards that and therefore you'll feel bad about yourself. Nobody can live under a rock or in their own fantasy world forever, so nobody's immune to society's reaction to their appearance.

Yeah you're right. No one is immune to society but who ever said we had to give a damn about what society itself thinks?

^ Hey, if you're one of the very, very few people in the world who can honestly say they don't care what society thinks, kudos.
Unfortunately for the rest of us, we're either affected by society's opinions of us, or lie to ourselves and everyone else and pretend we're not.

And it doesn't necessarily have to be society as a whole's idea of beauty - it could be one person, it could be a group of people.
Honestly, try telling me that you don't choose your outfit or put on makeup in the morning according to, say, what your friends would approve of, or with the intention of impressing your girl/boyfriend or crush.
The fact is, while we may do sme things to our appearance based on what we ourselves find attractive, and screw what the rest of the world thinks (eg I love tattoos and piercings and think they look really pretty if done tastefully, I don't do it to impress anybody else or shock everyone), society does still impact on the way we feel about ourselves, and having high self-esteem can come in part from being admired or appreciated by society at large.

I'm going to raise my hand in this arguement/discussion about weather or not it's possible to not care AT ALL what society thinks of you. And say that yes, I do not care. I do not know how I came about not caring, but I'm pretty sure it's just how I grew up and where I grew up. In Perth,Australia at a all girls school. That, and alot of thinking about what I want out of life. AND MCR.
The only thing I care about is being a good human being in that I am not evil or anything and that I try to do the right thing.
As long as they don' think I am evil. Even then, aslong as I know that I am not evil then that is enough....and my future husband will have to think that I am pretty decent too!.Ha!.
Anyway, I finnished my English oral.

They say that beauty is only skin deep, but I beg to differ.
What is beauty?.
Beauty is inspiration,
It is something you’ve never seen before
Beauty is an ordinary thing being extraordinary in the most natural way.
Beauty is not aesthetics.

The life-long search for beauty, like to Holy Grail of womanhood, is something that devours us all. We look for it all around us, we look anywhere but within ourselves. It’s so close but so hard to grasp

The pressures of a woman to be what is considered beautiful are far greater than a man.
We spend so much time on making ourselves look good for a date, we waste so much time. We waste so much of our lives searching.
And once you’ve found it, you’ve gotten old and it’s too late. But now there is anti-ageing products – defying life, defying god, defying the way we were meant to be.
Battles scars are not honorable anymore. We don’t count the things that someone does when we judge a persons beauty.
Ugliness
Scars
Fat
Industries are built on ‘helping’ us attain this perfect-ness. Industries are built on our own insecurities, our own weakness. There are so many people that promise us beauty that are taking advantage of us.
Being a woman, or in Michael Jackson’s case, a man, you just cannot win. Once someone gets plastic surgery they are still not beautiful, if they are anything they are less beautiful, they are less than %100 themselves. And so continues the life long search for beauty.

This brings me to the thought that beauty is a feeling.
Sophia Loren said that ‘Beauty is how you feel inside, and it reflects in your eyes. It is not something physical’.
The perception of beauty is distorted. Beauty is an experience, nothing else. It is not a fixed pattern or an arrangement of features. It is something felt, a glow or a communicated sense of fineness. What ails us is that our sense of beauty is so bruised and blunted ,we miss all the best.

If beauty is the perfect body or face, then beauty is boring. Flaws happen to remind us that it’s okay not to be %100 perfect, that it’s okay to fall from grace every now and then, that its okay to be human.

Seeing past the outside of a person is easier said than done. It’s hard to get a grasp on the concept of inner beauty when you are surrounded by magazines and t.v shows with ‘perfect’ looking people.
It saddens me that so many girls look at themselves as something ugly to be hidden.
So much goes to waste. So much goes into fixing the old twists that made ourselves so interesting.
The excuse of being ugly was that ‘beauty fades with age’, but now there is botox,plastic surgery , skin creams, anti-ageing creams that promise you to stay young forever. The idea of staying young coaxes so many people into false beliefs. Defying age, defying science and passing off life experience as ugliness.
Never land syndrome, is the misconception that we can stay physically young forever, we can update ourselves if we ever happen to succumb to that horrible thing called ‘age’. Battle scars are no longer a badge of honor. It’s shameful to wear your life experiences on your face and body.
In 2005 11.5 million cosmetic procedures were undertaken in the United States alone. In 2005 11.5 million people pursued their search for beauty and ended up further from it than they were before.


What makes you who you are, what makes you beautiful, what gives you integrity is when what you say lines up with you do. Beauty is something you own, something YOU are rather than something you look like. Beauty is seeing the beauty in others weather they are a model in vogue or a computer nerd. Beauty is the feeling you get when happiness meets strange.

You look at ugly as if it is the opposite of beauty. Ugly is not the opposite of beauty.
Ugly and Beauty are two words on two completely different playing fields.
They work alongside each other. Ugly does not counter act beauty and vice versa.
Ugly is the strength of confidence and the ability to not be ashamed of who you are.
Ugly is straying away from what is perceived as ‘normal’ but yet at the same time, is the definition of ‘normal’ or imperfect.
An ugly object or person shows the true beauty of courage, confidence, imperfect-ness and therein lies the beauty of ugly.

That is what I am trying to say to you all, our individual views on beauty define our own ethics and morality, but most of all , it defines how beautiful we are ourselves.

xX.JayJay.Xx:

this is a good one.......
[url]http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb23/sheenie86/shift1cute.jpg]look at this pic[/url]
i've been dating the green guy for over three years now, and i know by some people's standards, he's not the best looking guy in the world (cause they've told me!!). but i think the opposite. he is the most gorgeous thing in the world to me.

now i know i lot of girls who have seen that pic, and want me to give them the blue guy's number....... but to me, the blue guy doesn't interest me. suure he looks good without his shirt on... (hooray for being in the changeroom at gigs!!) but facially, he does nothing for me......

why is this?? i don't know...... it just is......

now the yellow guy?? yes.. he is just as geeky as he looks.....
and the pink guy..... he's just awesome..... looks good for 29 no??

I understand that, completely. I think if you find the right person, or atleast someone that's strong enough to not care about how you look - that just loves ou for who you are....that's when you stop caring.
I havn't actualy found someone yet....because I'm only 15, but I really do believe that there is a better beauty out there other than aesthetics...it's that belief that keeps me so strong and that keeps me going, that keeps me walking in the city with my pyjamas and bed hair.
You just gotta believe in anything.

wow.
the golden ratio thing.
shocker.
o.o

xX.JayJay.Xx:

this is a good one.......
look at this pic
i've been dating the green guy for over three years now, and i know by some people's standards, he's not the best looking guy in the world (cause they've told me!!). but i think the opposite. he is the most gorgeous thing in the world to me.

now i know i lot of girls who have seen that pic, and want me to give them the blue guy's number....... but to me, the blue guy doesn't interest me. suure he looks good without his shirt on... (hooray for being in the changeroom at gigs!!) but facially, he does nothing for me......

why is this?? i don't know...... it just is......

now the yellow guy?? yes.. he is just as geeky as he looks.....
and the pink guy..... he's just awesome..... looks good for 29 no??

I know exactly what you mean, Shaz. I'm the same with Chief - to me, there is no other guy on earth, and the ones that are there don't measure up by a long shot. If only I could convince him that, even if it's only to me, he's the most gorgeous man in existence... but he's terribly insecure about his looks and I just don't know how to make him believe that when I look at him, I can't believe how lucky I am to have him, and how amazed I am that he picked me, of all people.

well i have to say this, when gerard was in high school he wasn't good-looking, but he was smart, now look at him and he's gorgeous and brilliant, so maybe it takes time to be considered out wardly beautiful. i don't but just a comment